Comments on: Institute of Divine Metaphysical Research http://ahsoisee.wordpress.com/2007/08/30/institute-of-divine-metaphysical-research/ Father Time's Bible and Religion Topics Tue, 17 Nov 2009 04:38:27 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: YaHWarrior http://ahsoisee.wordpress.com/2007/08/30/institute-of-divine-metaphysical-research/#comment-691 YaHWarrior Tue, 17 Nov 2009 04:38:27 +0000 http://ahsoisee.wordpress.com/2007/08/30/institute-of-divine-metaphysical-research/#comment-691 Correction had it not been for the father stirring up my heart and mind. He could of done it with or without HCK. Just because you know a Hebrew and they it is Yahweh doesnt mean its correct. There are different sects and etc...but your last paragraph was on point. Its about BELIEF and being a righteous son. Correction had it not been for the father stirring up my heart and mind. He could of done it with or without HCK.

Just because you know a Hebrew and they it is Yahweh doesnt mean its correct. There are different sects and etc…but your last paragraph was on point. Its about BELIEF and being a righteous son.

]]> By: Greg http://ahsoisee.wordpress.com/2007/08/30/institute-of-divine-metaphysical-research/#comment-690 Greg Tue, 17 Nov 2009 02:36:50 +0000 http://ahsoisee.wordpress.com/2007/08/30/institute-of-divine-metaphysical-research/#comment-690 ..and my point is, had it not been for Dr. Kinley stirring up your heart and mind to get to the point you are at now, do you think that you would be as aware of our creator as you are now? I asked someone who was a Hebrew if the true name of our creator was Yahweh and he agreed that is was but they were not permitted to pronounce it as such. Had it not been for H.C. Kinley do you think you would have known to put forth the effort to even consider knowing the true name? So what makes you doubt all that has been shown and proven to you now. Doubt is another attribute of the Satanic spirit. Salvation is not predicated upon how much you research or know. It's predicated on whether or not you BELIEVE the report. Not some of it, all of it! Put aside your concepts and opinions and just know that a promise was given to those who believe that report. Until then, conduct yourself that is becoming of a righteous son. ..and my point is, had it not been for Dr. Kinley stirring up your heart and mind to get to the point you are at now, do you think that you would be as aware of our creator as you are now? I asked someone who was a Hebrew if the true name of our creator was Yahweh and he agreed that is was but they were not permitted to pronounce it as such.

Had it not been for H.C. Kinley do you think you would have known to put forth the effort to even consider knowing the true name? So what makes you doubt all that has been shown and proven to you now. Doubt is another attribute of the Satanic spirit. Salvation is not predicated upon how much you research or know. It’s predicated on whether or not you BELIEVE the report. Not some of it, all of it! Put aside your concepts and opinions and just know that a promise was given to those who believe that report. Until then, conduct yourself that is becoming of a righteous son.

]]> By: YaHWarrior http://ahsoisee.wordpress.com/2007/08/30/institute-of-divine-metaphysical-research/#comment-689 YaHWarrior Tue, 17 Nov 2009 00:35:08 +0000 http://ahsoisee.wordpress.com/2007/08/30/institute-of-divine-metaphysical-research/#comment-689 Yes I completely understand that is all just an "illusion" the Matrix a great metaphor. I agree with you that its just HOT/COLD or LEFT/RIGHT or TRUTH/FALSE. Which is true, but based on how he's LEFT hand is moving, he BENDS the truth. does give it fully. anyway in the end its still true false like you say. Yes IDMR does have some GREAT teachers out, not all of them are great but some are good. I stay in IDMR to support my wife, she is a believer. The reason I differ from IDMR is that I believe the fathers name is NOT Greek. Yahweh is based off the early GREEK church fathers (Clement Origen, Theodorat) all of these scholars all gave different renditions of the fathers names. IABE, IAB, etc... Now my point is if Dr. Kinley was the father in a so-called body, he would know his own name right?!?! Then tell me, if the Masorites (hebrew scholars) said the fathers name was Yehowah, yet some of scholars hid the name due to a change in Herbew, Yah-Yeh. clearly his name in Hebrew would have been Yahuwah or Yahuah (either same pronunciation) just emphasing the -hoo sound in between. Just like the website, Yahoo. All the prophets/people ending in names like -Yah or- Yahu (187 for Yahu). then also studying some basically Hebrew, you can understand the language. For example Yahshua would be incorrect for the son, if he has the same name as Joshua Sun of Nun then Yahshua would be incorrect it ignores a symbol, the WAW to be exact, gving the -hoo sound again. The correct name would be Yahushua, In modern Hebrew it is Yehoshua but due to one of masorites sects changing the language, the Yeh is restored to Yah. those are just a few things... Yes I completely understand that is all just an “illusion” the Matrix a great metaphor.

I agree with you that its just HOT/COLD or LEFT/RIGHT or TRUTH/FALSE. Which is true, but based on how he’s LEFT hand is moving, he BENDS the truth. does give it fully. anyway in the end its still true false like you say.

Yes IDMR does have some GREAT teachers out, not all of them are great but some are good. I stay in IDMR to support my wife, she is a believer.

The reason I differ from IDMR is that I believe the fathers name is NOT Greek. Yahweh is based off the early GREEK church fathers (Clement Origen, Theodorat) all of these scholars all gave different renditions of the fathers names. IABE, IAB, etc…

Now my point is if Dr. Kinley was the father in a so-called body, he would know his own name right?!?! Then tell me, if the Masorites (hebrew scholars) said the fathers name was Yehowah, yet some of scholars hid the name due to a change in Herbew, Yah-Yeh. clearly his name in Hebrew would have been Yahuwah or Yahuah (either same pronunciation) just emphasing the -hoo sound in between. Just like the website, Yahoo. All the prophets/people ending in names like -Yah or- Yahu (187 for Yahu).

then also studying some basically Hebrew, you can understand the language. For example Yahshua would be incorrect for the son, if he has the same name as Joshua Sun of Nun then Yahshua would be incorrect it ignores a symbol, the WAW to be exact, gving the -hoo sound again. The correct name would be Yahushua, In modern Hebrew it is Yehoshua but due to one of masorites sects changing the language, the Yeh is restored to Yah.

those are just a few things…

]]> By: Greg http://ahsoisee.wordpress.com/2007/08/30/institute-of-divine-metaphysical-research/#comment-688 Greg Mon, 16 Nov 2009 23:08:52 +0000 http://ahsoisee.wordpress.com/2007/08/30/institute-of-divine-metaphysical-research/#comment-688 You don't have to dig for it if truth is in you. You are looking at it from a natural standpoint. Still thinking that what you do or think is going to alter your outcome. Everything you about you has been a story already told as Yahweh see's it. First, there is no such thing as the WHOLE Truth. Either it is or it isn't. Yahshua "IS" Truth. That's what he IS. It's part of his Divine Nature. He hid it in a Mystery only to be revealed to his sons... not to the wise and the scribes, highly educated, scholars, scientist, philosophical geniuses, YOU, ME.... only to his sons... John 14:6 Yahsua said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. (Sounds like ONE TRUTH to me) The truth does not come in 1/2's and wholes, either it is or it is not. Just as you can't tell 1/2 of a lie. (Right hand/ Left Hand, Hot/ Cold, however you can understand it) Clearly, there were some things you've been allowed to see that kept you attending the IDMR, so why would you doubt now that Dr. Kinley only has a peice of truth whereas before you ever step foot in an IDMR, you NEVER had any of it? Now that you have come face to face with it, you want to doubt it... another one of those attributes... Check yourself. You don’t have to dig for it if truth is in you. You are looking at it from a natural standpoint. Still thinking that what you do or think is going to alter your outcome. Everything you about you has been a story already told as Yahweh see’s it.

First, there is no such thing as the WHOLE Truth. Either it is or it isn’t. Yahshua “IS” Truth. That’s what he IS. It’s part of his Divine Nature. He hid it in a Mystery only to be revealed to his sons… not to the wise and the scribes, highly educated, scholars, scientist, philosophical geniuses, YOU, ME…. only to his sons…

John 14:6
Yahsua said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. (Sounds like ONE TRUTH to me)

The truth does not come in 1/2’s and wholes, either it is or it is not. Just as you can’t tell 1/2 of a lie. (Right hand/ Left Hand, Hot/ Cold, however you can understand it)

Clearly, there were some things you’ve been allowed to see that kept you attending the IDMR, so why would you doubt now that Dr. Kinley only has a peice of truth whereas before you ever step foot in an IDMR, you NEVER had any of it? Now that you have come face to face with it, you want to doubt it… another one of those attributes… Check yourself.

]]> By: YaHWarrior http://ahsoisee.wordpress.com/2007/08/30/institute-of-divine-metaphysical-research/#comment-687 YaHWarrior Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:35:58 +0000 http://ahsoisee.wordpress.com/2007/08/30/institute-of-divine-metaphysical-research/#comment-687 Greg what are you talking about? "now you think you are an authortiy on the matter?" I simply asked the procedures that IDMR HQ follows...how do they decide who debates and who doesn't? If Dr. Harris is in charge(international dean) how do they supersede him? You are jumping to conclusions here. Secondly, on what am i saying is not contradicting. I said no SINGLE place has the WHOLE truth!!! So since this is MYSTERY, just like the Father said you would have to DIG for it like BURIED TREASURE. Matt 13:44 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field. Buried treasure last time i checked was VERY hard to find, without a MAP. But who is that map Greg.....the father!!! he can lead you to all things, Yes IDMR is a great school, i never said it was totally wrong, but to say IDMR is totally right, you need to rethink your steps. IDMR is a great stepping stone, but some of the information you provide is incorrect. I mean you started off saying, Ft Worth Branch figures...obviously everyone is not on ONE accord i am assuming....! Greg what are you talking about?

“now you think you are an authortiy on the matter?”

I simply asked the procedures that IDMR HQ follows…how do they decide who debates and who doesn’t? If Dr. Harris is in charge(international dean) how do they supersede him? You are jumping to conclusions here.

Secondly, on what am i saying is not contradicting. I said no SINGLE place has the WHOLE truth!!! So since this is MYSTERY, just like the Father said you would have to DIG for it like BURIED TREASURE.

Matt 13:44
Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field.

Buried treasure last time i checked was VERY hard to find, without a MAP. But who is that map Greg…..the father!!! he can lead you to all things, Yes IDMR is a great school, i never said it was totally wrong, but to say IDMR is totally right, you need to rethink your steps.

IDMR is a great stepping stone, but some of the information you provide is incorrect. I mean you started off saying, Ft Worth Branch figures…obviously everyone is not on ONE accord i am assuming….!

]]> By: Greg http://ahsoisee.wordpress.com/2007/08/30/institute-of-divine-metaphysical-research/#comment-686 Greg Mon, 16 Nov 2009 21:03:07 +0000 http://ahsoisee.wordpress.com/2007/08/30/institute-of-divine-metaphysical-research/#comment-686 Ft. Worth Branch? Figures... If you would be honest with yourself, you know that you would not know anything about Yahweh nor the bible had it not been for Dr. Kinley bringing it to your understanding, now you think you are an authortiy on the matter? Sounds like you are trying to "Be like". But we both know which mystery that is, so for you to challenge the person that Dr. Kinley put in charge, should make you wonder just who you really are? Do you even realize what attributes you are really manifesting? Being dis-obedient, confrontational, speaking evil of dignitaries, always willing to point a finger at someone else to find fault in someone else other than self. Yet, never realizing that you have 3 of those same fingers pointing right back at you... According to what you are saying, there is no hope for salvation because no one has the complete truth. Which again contradicts the bible itself... WHO ARE YOU? Ft. Worth Branch? Figures… If you would be honest with yourself, you know that you would not know anything about Yahweh nor the bible had it not been for Dr. Kinley bringing it to your understanding, now you think you are an authortiy on the matter? Sounds like you are trying to “Be like”. But we both know which mystery that is, so for you to challenge the person that Dr. Kinley put in charge, should make you wonder just who you really are? Do you even realize what attributes you are really manifesting? Being dis-obedient, confrontational, speaking evil of dignitaries, always willing to point a finger at someone else to find fault in someone else other than self. Yet, never realizing that you have 3 of those same fingers pointing right back at you…

According to what you are saying, there is no hope for salvation because no one has the complete truth. Which again contradicts the bible itself… WHO ARE YOU?

]]> By: YaHWarrior http://ahsoisee.wordpress.com/2007/08/30/institute-of-divine-metaphysical-research/#comment-685 YaHWarrior Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:59:25 +0000 http://ahsoisee.wordpress.com/2007/08/30/institute-of-divine-metaphysical-research/#comment-685 Oh yea TIm I forgot here is statement you guys always claim, "All the Elohim there is was in that body" (referring to Dr. Kinley) But doesn't that go against Yahushua Ha Mashiach (the messiah)? Colossians 1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; Oh yea TIm I forgot here is statement you guys always claim,

“All the Elohim there is was in that body” (referring to Dr. Kinley)

But doesn’t that go against Yahushua Ha Mashiach (the messiah)?

Colossians 1:19
For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;

]]> By: YaHWarrior http://ahsoisee.wordpress.com/2007/08/30/institute-of-divine-metaphysical-research/#comment-684 YaHWarrior Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:37:35 +0000 http://ahsoisee.wordpress.com/2007/08/30/institute-of-divine-metaphysical-research/#comment-684 Tim, Lets try to look at this in a punctual way. You said earlier: "So this debate doesn’t represent IDMR." Is this not what you teach in IDMR Tim? Does IDMR Chicago go against the teachings Dr. Kinley set up? (Now this is not in reference to them debating and HQ saying don't do it.) Everything IDMR Chicago taught in this video is whats going in IDMR at least thats how it is down here in the Ft. Worth Branch. But I thought the IDMR was a whole, you guys taught the same across the board. My point is this, there is NO place that is 100% TRUE doctrine. If you believe IDMR is teaching 100% truth, then you my friend is brainwashed, and you really need to step out the box. Yah has let his left hand (devil) run ravage and he has deceived the whole world, that also includes IDMR. Every place has been infiltrated, and I mean physical places (schools, churches, sects, etc...) Also for you to say that IDMR cant be refuted is a very bias argument. Its not that IDMR can't be refuted its just that other places don't acknowledge or agree on what is being taught. If that was the case, every SECT or RELIGION out there could say our doctrine can't be refuted since we went on 3 peace mission as well. Other sects and religions have done just about everything IDMR has, based on peace mission and spreading their doctrine. (everything else i would have to study more about other sects but i dont have the time for that) Secondly, if you disagree, their is a sect out there right now, that doesn't agree with you guys on Food Laws. IDMR believes its abolished others don't (ie Seventh Day Adventist) does that mean your doctrine cant be refuted...a RESOUNDING NO! People just don't agree. Secondly who gives IDMR HQ the authority who can and can't debate? I would really like to know? I thought Dr. Harris was the next in line...so how does that work? Tim,

Lets try to look at this in a punctual way. You said earlier:

“So this debate doesn’t represent IDMR.”

Is this not what you teach in IDMR Tim? Does IDMR Chicago go against the teachings Dr. Kinley set up? (Now this is not in reference to them debating and HQ saying don’t do it.)

Everything IDMR Chicago taught in this video is whats going in IDMR at least thats how it is down here in the Ft. Worth Branch. But I thought the IDMR was a whole, you guys taught the same across the board.

My point is this, there is NO place that is 100% TRUE doctrine. If you believe IDMR is teaching 100% truth, then you my friend is brainwashed, and you really need to step out the box. Yah has let his left hand (devil) run ravage and he has deceived the whole world, that also includes IDMR. Every place has been infiltrated, and I mean physical places (schools, churches, sects, etc…)

Also for you to say that IDMR cant be refuted is a very bias argument. Its not that IDMR can’t be refuted its just that other places don’t acknowledge or agree on what is being taught. If that was the case, every SECT or RELIGION out there could say our doctrine can’t be refuted since we went on 3 peace mission as well. Other sects and religions have done just about everything IDMR has, based on peace mission and spreading their doctrine. (everything else i would have to study more about other sects but i dont have the time for that)

Secondly, if you disagree, their is a sect out there right now, that doesn’t agree with you guys on Food Laws. IDMR believes its abolished others don’t (ie Seventh Day Adventist) does that mean your doctrine cant be refuted…a RESOUNDING NO! People just don’t agree.

Secondly who gives IDMR HQ the authority who can and can’t debate? I would really like to know? I thought Dr. Harris was the next in line…so how does that work?

]]> By: tim http://ahsoisee.wordpress.com/2007/08/30/institute-of-divine-metaphysical-research/#comment-683 tim Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:57:46 +0000 http://ahsoisee.wordpress.com/2007/08/30/institute-of-divine-metaphysical-research/#comment-683 Sam, Dr Kinley has already fulfilled confronting all the religious heads of the world and no one could refute his doctrine. As you know this teaching has been around the world and has been examined by kings and potentates, and all the religous leaders of the world. None could refute it. Dr Kinley said Dr Harris has the holy spirit. Its funny to me how that "IDMR true doctrine" as you call it calls Dr Harris a liar but if what Dr Kinley said was true then your calling the holy spirit a liar. No matter what you believe if IDMR headquarters says stop debating and we still do it than we're being disobedient. If not to the holy spirit then at least to what Dr Kinley set up. Because he did set up Dr Harris as International Dean. As you know certain HIGH profile individuals in the school disagree with him but because of their respect for Dr. Kinley and what he set up they don't mind complying with the international rules and regulations. Even the Apostles had some disagreements but you never heard John tell Peter "I don't care what you say, I'm gonna do what I wanna do." That attitude isn't standing up for the true doctrine. That attitude is the Spirit of Disobedience. Think about it. Sam, Dr Kinley has already fulfilled confronting all the religious heads of the world and no one could refute his doctrine. As you know this teaching has been around the world and has been examined by kings and potentates, and all the religous leaders of the world. None could refute it. Dr Kinley said Dr Harris has the holy spirit. Its funny to me how that “IDMR true doctrine” as you call it calls Dr Harris a liar but if what Dr Kinley said was true then your calling the holy spirit a liar. No matter what you believe if IDMR headquarters says stop debating and we still do it than we’re being disobedient. If not to the holy spirit then at least to what Dr Kinley set up. Because he did set up Dr Harris as International Dean. As you know certain HIGH profile individuals in the school disagree with him but because of their respect for Dr. Kinley and what he set up they don’t mind complying with the international rules and regulations. Even the Apostles had some disagreements but you never heard John tell Peter “I don’t care what you say, I’m gonna do what I wanna do.” That attitude isn’t standing up for the true doctrine. That attitude is the Spirit of Disobedience. Think about it.

]]> By: Sam http://ahsoisee.wordpress.com/2007/08/30/institute-of-divine-metaphysical-research/#comment-682 Sam Sun, 15 Nov 2009 16:12:56 +0000 http://ahsoisee.wordpress.com/2007/08/30/institute-of-divine-metaphysical-research/#comment-682 As far as I know Chicago Northside is still part IDMR .They just don't follow that progressive(false)doctrine.Why should people listen to Headquarters anyway,they have lost all credibility .The founder encouraged debate,because you openly have to prove your point of view.I think there should be a debate between Idmr progressives and the IDMR true doctrine. As far as I know Chicago Northside is still part IDMR .They just don’t follow that progressive(false)doctrine.Why should people listen to Headquarters anyway,they have lost all credibility .The founder encouraged debate,because you openly have to prove your point of view.I think there should be a debate between Idmr progressives and the IDMR true doctrine.

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