The Institute of Divine Metaphysical Research (IDMR) is a cult. Christianity accepts the Word of God which teaches that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God and the only man in whom God has appeared incarnate. Religions denying this doctrine are classified as cults.
The IDMR believes Jesus is one of many incarnations of God in man. They deny Jesus was resurrected from the dead in a body, but in spirit, only. Jesus proved he arose from the grave in a body as he told the apostles to touch the prints of the nails in his hands.
Jesus arose from death in the same body placed in the tomb, but it was changed at resurrection into a glorified body which was immortal with no limitations regarding time and eternity. When Jesus arose from the dead, he arose in a new immortal body of flesh and bones. Of course, no person knows the exact atomic structure of the new immortal body, except Christ.
Jesus is presently in heaven in his glorified body and God abides in Jesus, eternally. Jesus is the Temple of God forever. Jesus stated, “Destroy this Temple, and in three days, I will raise it again”. He was referring to his body prior his crucifixion and death.
There have been many false prophets and gurus claiming to be God’s only channel to mankind, and claim to have been personally appointed by God. Henry C. Kinley is one of many false prophets making this claim. Jesus is the only begotten Son of God, God incarnate.
All other men are tainted with sin. Man produces the blood for his offspring. The blood of Christ was generated by God and was untainted by sin. All other men have been born of man’s seed and born in sin. The IDMR cult denies that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God and the only incarnation of God in man.
The IDMR fails the crucial test of a legitimate Christian Church. They fail in many areas, but the denial of Jesus as the only incarnation of God in the flesh is the most crucial test.
Henry C. Kinley, the originator of IDMR is dead and in hell. At one time, Kinley was a preacher in the Church of God. He became disenchanted with Christian life and wanted more than was present in his life. He was not allowing Christ to live through his life, or he would have experienced the joy and peace of God’s love.
Kinley searched for a more fulfilling experience, because the promises of God were not good enough for him. This lack of faith proves he was not saved and did not have the indwelling of the Holy Ghost. Satan appeared to Kinley as an angel of light and convinced Kinley that he was the only channel of God to mankind. This is a normal result when one is dissatisfied with their life because they do not have the spirit of Christ dwelling in them.
Satan uses this void and easily fools a person who is devoid of faith in Christ. “Resist the devil and he will flee from you”, but seek some glorious feeling and Satan will find a substitute to make you feel important and feel good. It was obvious Kinley was more open to the feel-good approach from Satan rather than faith in the promises of God. Once Satan possesses a person, he blinds them to the truths of the Bible.
Suddenly, during his metaphysical studies, Kinley was blindsided by a vision. Kinley claims he was ushered into the third heaven, shown a map of the universe, and shown how the universe was structured. Maybe so or maybe not, but Satan and his spirits are aware of the layout of the universe.
Satan was the highest archangel in heaven and had privy to the entire universe. Angels oversee the works of the universe under the direction of God. They are his ministering spirits.
Henry C. Kinley said he met face-to-face with God, and God had a face like ours. Kinley actually met Satan face-to-face. Satan appears in almost any form he desires. Kinley declared that God incarnated himself into Kinley’s flesh, in the same manner as he incarnated himself in Jesus and others throughout history. We know God incarnated himself only one time and that was through his “only” begotten Son, Jesus. Henry C. Kinley was taken over (possessed) by Satan.
Satan possessed Kinley in the same manner he possesses others. Kinley said God would be incarnate in Kinley on the earth, and Kinley would have the only truth available for mankind. Sound familiar?
He not only stated he was God incarnate, but was also a prophet, and an apostle. Gee, he became everything all wrapped in one!
Muhammad claimed he talked with the angel, Gabriel. Muhammad declared he was a prophet and greater than the prophet, Jesus. Muhammad’s visions, received from Satan, became the writings of the Qur’an (Koran). Allah, the god of Islam, is actually Satan and the old pagan god, Baal.
The same happened with Joseph Smith of the Mormons (Latter Day Saints). He claims an angel, Moroni, gave him golden plates with updated information for the latter days. Joseph Smith claims to have met with John the Baptist and other Old Testament characters. Joseph Smith claimed to be the prophet for the latter days and a greater prophet than Jesus.
Mormons claim the “Book of Mormon” is a greater and more complete book than the Bible. No person saw the golden plates except Joseph Smith. The plates were suddenly taken back to heaven by the angel, Moroni. Under vigorous questioning, all who originally claimed to have seen the plates, eventually admitted they saw the plates only in a vision.
Charles Taze Russell, founder of the Jehovah’s Witnesses, claimed he, alone, had the sole authority to interpret scriptures.
Mary Eddy Baker of the Christian Science cult makes the same claim. She was their prophet, and she, only, had the ability to interpret scriptures correctly for them.
Buddha, a self proclaimed guru, became the major spokesman for the false cult of reincarnation and other mystic Eastern beliefs. Satan has been busy in the Eastern world. They have many gurus laying claim for the title of “chief guru” of reincarnation.
Herbert W. Armstrong was the author of the cult of the United Churches of God (many various branches). He claims he was Elijah reincarnated, a prophet, an apostle, and the only valid interpreter of scripture for the latter days.
The woods are full of false prophets who are blinded by Satan. Satan takes possession of their mind, and they become false prophets using God vainly. It is no wonder, Jesus said, “Many will come in my name, but believe them not”.
There are branches of the Pentecostals who state that a person is not saved unless he babbles, has been dunked in the creek, and has hands laid on him by little apostles.
We now understand why Paul wrote, “when perfection comes (all the books of the New Testament are complete), then all knowledge, prophecy, and tongues will cease.
Since the written Word of God was complete, there would be no more “knowledge” added to the Bible and no more “prophecy” added to the Bible.
This passage was placed in the Bible by the Holy Ghost, because he knew false cults would spring up from Satan claiming additional knowledge and prophecy.
There are many blinded by Satan, and will remain blinded until they cry out to Christ in forgiveness for their refusal to accept him as the only way to salvation.
Father Time
August 31, 2007 at 2:10 pm |
“Charles Taze Russell, founder of the Jehovah’s Witnesses, claimed he, alone, had the sole authority to interpret scriptures.”
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Really? Where is this documented in his writings?
RR
August 31, 2007 at 3:12 pm |
“Charles Taze Russell, founder of the Jehovah’s Witnesses, claimed he, alone, had the sole authority to interpret scriptures.”
I deny that Charles Taze Russell was the founder of the Jehovah’s Witnesses. He did not believe in such an organization ruled by a central governing body, nor did he believe in the teachings of that organization. After Russell died, Joseph Rutherford, through deception and legal trickery, gained control of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, and used the legal entity as a basis to form the religious organization that he later called “Jehovah’s Witnesses”.
I have all of Russell’s known extant writings. I have never seen anywhere that he claimed that he alone had to sole authority to interpret scriptures.
http://ctr.reslight.net
Christian love,
Ronald
September 21, 2007 at 10:19 pm |
Dr. Kinley said “I am Yahweh but so are you, that only difference was that he was fully conscience of it . The IDMR’s teachings make it very clear that Yahshua (Jesus) is the only begotten of the father, & that there is only one name given unto salvation and that is Yahshua. The Messiah was Hebrew, Yahshua is his name, please note that proper names do not change. Yahshua means Yahweh’s salvation. The Messiah said I come in my father’s name and ye receive me not let another come in his own name and him you will receive. You have accepted Jesus not knowing that it is an erroneous name. Look up the name Jesus in a good dictionary. You have your father’s name & the Messiah has his fathers name. Further more Dr. Kinley states in his lectures “do not believe anything that I have said but to research it yourself”. He prooved all things. Everything that exist is Yahweh. He is the source the substance the limits & the bounds. Nothing exist outside of Yahweh. You have taken Dr. Kinley’s statement totally out of context. False prophets are ones who can not proove anything & they all have a different story other than that of the apostles. Dr. Kinley’s story is the same as the apostles. Yahweh says I change not. As far as a feel good approach, it is obvious that you did not know him personally for he was a man of many sorrows. As far as him being unhappy with the Church of God, he was saddened by the fact that he could not see how with all the various religious dogmas that ALL of us could be reconciled unto Yahweh. But he was given the answered, this would be done through the Messiah which his body is the church, and as believers we are part of Yahshua. Dr. Kinley often said that he could do nothing but that the father in him doeth the works. The Archtype pattern of the universe is Yahweh-Elohim, the Word, The Son, Yahshua, everything was made by him & for him. You are right in saying that the Satanic spirit is aware of this pattern but they have no understanding. To be carnal minded & spiritually minded are 2 different things. The carnel mind does not understand the spiritual things of Yahweh. The only difference between the IDMR members & Christians is that we pride ourselves in worshiping the creator after the spirit, we know how to rightfully divide the word of truth. Everything else that is taught in the so called churches is nothing compared to the deeper inner understanding that the Holy Spirit gives to those that diligently seek him. The church world still practices cardinal ordinances & the IDMR members don’t. When Yahshua got on the cross he was the only sacrifice pleasing to the father. He was the first & the last sacrifice, nailing everything to the cross, including the things that you may think are neccessary for salvation. It is a gift, given by Yahweh, it is his grace & mercy thru his love for us is why we have salvation. The scriptures clearly tell you that the first Adam (Ish) was made a living sould but the second Adam (Yahshua) was raised a quickening spirit. flesh & blood can’t inherit the kingdom of Yahweh, which is peace, joy & righteousness in the holy spirit. Those that saw the Messiah after he came out the grave saw a vision & those that touched him touched a vision. With Yahweh everything is possible. You need to understand that he can do anything , even send you a strong dillusion & cause you to believe a lie. (like the one about the Messiah being raised in the flesh.) If you are going to comment on Dr. Kinley or any other IDMR members will you please tell the truth.
November 2, 2007 at 8:47 pm |
Everything today, to be true is by Faith. All books are either True or
false. We were not there in the time of the Bible or the Koran or any
other book that claim to be the word of God. I myself, believe that the
is Bible is true by faith on the Lord Jesus Christ.
January 21, 2008 at 8:10 pm |
Glenda has taken the words right out of my mouth. For you to put other people down, you sure are as far away from the truth as you can possibly be. A carnal mind can’t understand the spiritual, and that’s what you have. The next time you do decide to speak about IDMR or any of the organization’s members, make sure you truley understand everything you hear and get your story straight. Oh yeah, FYI, Dr. Kinley is not in hell…. we are.
January 22, 2008 at 12:37 pm |
How can I argue with your so many, many words when I have only one? Elohim! Clayton…..John 1:1-1:14 says thus…”the bible is NOT the Word!!! The scriptures NEVER refer to themselves as the Word!!! The Messiah IS the Word!!!! geez! Ya’ know, I really dislike it when people read one or two verses and declare themselves experts well enough to teach any other. Read the whole book, and remember what you’ve read, and THEN proceed with your ignorant argument.
May Yahweh, your Elohim have mercy on the uneducated.
Yahweh Elohim forever, through the grace given us by the redeeming works of his son, Yahshua.
With love and warmest regards-John
February 1, 2008 at 8:02 pm |
O K !!!
Dear Clayton
you need to really attended a branch of the IDMR , Before you write something about it or any other group!!!
Your in yahshua
Jeff
February 22, 2008 at 6:52 pm |
If you want to see for your self, check out this website: http://www.ayahasherayah.org. Click the Henry C. Kinley page. Then scroll to audio and listen to the lecture Yahweh Took On Shape And Form and you will hear the speaker explain the entire purpose of our Creator from start to finish in about an hour.
March 24, 2008 at 5:49 am |
Just more ignorance of the world! Yah is in control…..there are his begotten sons and his created but while in the flesh all have a chance to be born again but it is by his will not our own and he desides who will recieve his holy spirit and who will remain damned for eternity.No sence beating our heads against brick walls as i said yahweh is in control.Every tub has to sit on its own bottom,lets pay attention to our own.
April 1, 2008 at 11:42 pm |
I have been to the Idmr Websites,while being somewhat imformative,you make things very complicated for the average person. I think God never intended for people to be highly educated in order to understand his message.That’s why your message is not reaching a lot of people.The Idmr website is never updated and if you e-mail them the never respond to you.The ayahasherayah site is a little better,but a lot of the videos are of poor quality and inaudible.It seems that Idmr would go to greater lengths to get there message instead of acting like a recluse.
May 7, 2008 at 5:44 am |
John, Please attend a class and we will answer any question you have.
If you want to know something about the Idmr all classes gladly welcome visitors.
And, by the way, it is conducted like a class, nothing scary at all. If you contact an individual class or dean I am sure they will welcome you.
However, videos, books, and letters are just not the same as being an eye-witness.
July 1, 2009 at 11:58 pm |
A class??? See, thats where your wrong, if you really wanted to tell people about your so called “truth”, you wouldn’t require them to attend a class. here’s an excert from a former IDMR member-
How many times have we heard in the Assembly that we “have to come to class” and we “have to bring other people to class” because “this gospel can’t be preached outside of THIS CLASS”. In order to get a true knowledge and understanding of the Creator, and have eternal life, then you HAVE TO COME TO CLASS. Some have even used the analogy of a doctor who does not operate on a patient in the street. That patient must be brought to the hospital or the doctor’s office. Of course, this is to get you into
their controlled environment. The order of the service is set up a certain way for a reason. First, you hear three or four songs from the choir which are usually familiar, popular tunes with new words sung over the music. You have to settle into your chair and RELAX
because they need you to be in a state of mind where you are receptive to their doctrine. There’s flowers or pretty pictures on the walls (within your peripheral vision) so that you will associate those pleasant items with their doctrine. In front of you are these brightly colored picture charts encircled by reddish-orange “clouds of fire” which they say
“only symbolizes and depicts the spirit” which is a consuming fire. Like I said above, you’re scared to wander (or wonder) “outside of the camp”. They make sure that the one depicting the children of Israel’s exodus from Egypt is directly in front of the visitors
so that you know which camp they’re talking about.
Sandra, whether you know it or not, your brainwashed! I also know that you dont have member fees, but you have “mandatory” donations, i sure hope you keep up on those, or else You are considered Bad. And what is the deal with the “Y on your face” english is not, I repeat N O T!!! the true Language of God, Yeshua, or whatever you choose to call my Lord and Savior. so, did we have to wait untill english was invented so we could say that His name is written on our face. your Founder was a LIAR, and wasnt happy with what God was giving him. just do some research, oh, and read up on all your School’s History, not just what they want you to read. If you want any more, just start an arguement, I guarantee you that you wont win.
I Write this all in the love of Christ(the Author of my life.)
Matthew
May 8, 2008 at 11:31 pm |
You are an evil person who loves killing, I wish your kind had died out in the dark ages.
The only reason there cannot be peace is because of people like YOU on all sides.
Do the world a favor and all of your kind go and kill each other alone.
May 23, 2008 at 2:27 am |
IDMR i dont believ its a cult but it raises question as to how you model your philosophy with the human body?You basically saying that any body is god.and it sounds like a 5% nation that was found in the eraly 70s for black power.loook it up,cause it seems like there is alot alot of pro IDMR member that has written on here.Look up the 5% nation .thank you
May 29, 2008 at 2:11 am |
I would go to one of your classes ,but from what I seen on the internet IDMR is Fractured over this so called new doctrine proposed by Dr.Harris in which no can be saved.One side has rebelled and has started The Pattern of Everything website,which is full of information and is much better them the IDMR website.IDMR must provide a united front ,before I attend a class.I have taken internet courses through college,and I don’t see the difference between being there or learning it over the internet.I think some leaders of IDMR has control issues thats why they don’t give out a lot of information on the IDMR Doctrine. If IDMR was so interested in spreading the message they would use the cheapest and fastest method possible ,which is the internet.
June 6, 2008 at 10:24 pm |
All I have to say is come to class and be edified. I am a member of IDMR and I admit, I was sceptical,because I was raised in a very southern baptist family.We encorage to research the teaching. If you have any questions, come to an IDMR bible class and ask. You cannot properly judge until you have step foot into a class and ask questions. I did and I see a whole new perspective on life.
June 6, 2008 at 10:32 pm |
Oh, and response to Ralph’s mesage, IDMR has done 3 World Wide Peace Missions and many IDMR classes have television programs displayed locally. As for the internet, words create have different semantics. If we totally relied on the internet, we would not be able to get the whole message across; for example, if one wanted to know more about a different culture and uses exclusively the internet, one will not be able to get the whole crux of what the culture is all about until you actually visit and talk to people first hand. Many leaders have the Elohim the Archtype book that they review. It is so easy for those to judge when those do not understand. I am a teacher and feel that I am a well rounded, no controling individual. I am an open minded individual for change. I love it.
July 22, 2008 at 9:16 pm |
Man its crazy how u he listed all the other cults but none of them were here to claim except jehovahs witness. In my opinion i think you should go to class. I just started going to IDMR and wow its an eye opener man. I understand you have to be cool and watch out because there are alot of false prophets out there. But like it says in the scripture, “know the spirit by the spirit”. I get a good feeling going to class. Ive only been 3x times but i cant stop telling ppl about it and it hards to get ppl to understand. I was skeptically like every new comer. But Glenda did kill it, good words. I believe like Glenda said grace has to be given it cant be earned. and as a carnal mind its hard to let go of something that you was pretty much born into (methodist, christian, etc..) So stay up and keep an opened mind. Go to class wont hurt.
August 6, 2008 at 8:02 pm |
IDMR in Dallas had their members beliveing and Deans preaching the worl was coming to an end in 1996!! They had members of the cult taking cash advances and quitting there jobs. I knew some members they bought in hook line and sinker and were mortified when all they believed collapsed like a deck of cards.
August 8, 2008 at 10:14 pm |
I have several members of my family who attend IDMR and I myself have been. There is a scripture that yells in my ear everytime I think of IDMR…REV. 22:18 if anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book… Another verse is Galatians 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.
It is important here to note it was repeated over in verse 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone reaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.
The scriptures tell us to study for ourselves, to test what we learn with the scriptures.
Our Lord is not an author of confusion…he says so in his word. We don’t need other men to have visions or dreams or angels or anything else to tell us what God himself has given us.
Just read your bible and you will know the “Truth”
August 28, 2008 at 5:59 pm |
We do not need to be on here. Michael
September 19, 2008 at 7:47 pm |
I used to attend these classes for 3 months. I stop going because these people never talk about FAMILY……..Its all about……..Just come to class just come to class……..Yahweh(Dr. Kinley) this and Yahweh(Dr. Kinley) that.
They “Never” mentioned the “Importance of a Nucleus Family”…..Its no wonder that their members are divorcing each other……sleeping with each other….
Another thing that just shocked me was when they predicted the world was going to end. Twice they did this. They said it would end in 1996 and 2000……Well we are still here…..
This should be evidence that this is nothing more than a CULT…….Because they say Dr. Kinley was Yahweh himself aint that what they say……????? So if Dr. Kinley told these people the world was going to end,, these words came from the CREATOR himself who was supposed to be Dr. Kinley and it never happened…..So YAHWEH must have LIED……or Dr. Kinley told a LIE…
Now lets talk about FACTS……
The Universe is OLD. I think we all can agree that the universe is older than 4000 years the or the age of ADAM/EVE…..Since we agree that this is true then we must agree that Humanity/Civilization is older than 4000 years. Now then, it is FACT that we can trace humans, NOT CAVEMEN, I am talking about civilised people back to what was called the “Paleolithic Era”. This dates back to 700,000 years ago………This Era consist of the “Middle Paleolithic, the “Upper Paleolithic, the “Epipaleolithic and finally the “PreDynastic Era of Kemet”. Kemet is the original name of Egypt. The Greeks called it Egypt……Since YAHWEH is a Hebrew GOD we must REALIZE that at this time there is not “ONE” Hebrew on the face of the EARTH……..There are no Moslems, there are no Catholics, there are no GREEKS, there are no BAPTIST, No Budist, No Hinduist…….All of the so-called modern day religions did not exist during this time……
Kemet had 25 dynasties that spanned over 10,000 years. In the 12th Dynasty Kemet was taken over by people called “Hyksos” or Semetic shepards…….These people ruled, yes they ruled Kemet for 200 years…..In the 15th Dynasty they were forced out by the “Indigenous” people of Kemet…….Fast forward to the 18th Dynasty we have a King named Amonhotep 4th…..His mother was of Semetic heritage……
Understand that from the first Dynasty the NAME OF THE CREATOR WAS “Amon-Ra”……..and you will find that all the Pharohs had this Signage attached to their name……but Amonhotep 4th changed his name to represent a “NEW” religion and new name of the creator…..He changed his name to Ahkenaten……He changed the name of the creator to “ATEN”.
Fast forward: Ahkenaten was forced out of Kemet along with some of his Semetic followers and some of his Egyptian followers to Mount Sinai……I know the BIBLE says it was MOSES he led but if you read some BOOKS other than the BIBLE you will find the truth…….
ALL THIS I AM TELLING IS FACTS……You dont have to take my word for it….just do some research…..Better yet take a TOUR TO KEMET/EGYPT….and see it for yourself………I been to Egypt 5 times and have seen the evidence……….
NOW: While in Sinai Ahkenaten and his followers made secret the name “ATEN”……..In Hebrew, the letter T became D and the letter E became O……We now have ADON……The Hebrews added the letters a and i………We now have “ADONAI”…….But they still decided this name was not to be spoken so the made the “TETRAGRAMMATON” YHWH……and this name was originally “Yehovah”…..I am I right or wrong???
The letter J did not exist back then……….Over time “Yehovah became “Yahweh”……….
Its not my intention to change anyones mind…..But its my duty as a teacher of truth to make people read more BOOKS……
September 19, 2008 at 8:37 pm |
One More Important Note: IDMR is one of the Biggest cults going…if you are in it PLEASE get out…..
It is VIRTUALLY impossible for Yahweh to have stepped into the body of ADAM like they teach in IDMR…..
The Bible clearly states that GOD “Cannot” be Tempted by Evil/Satan…..and I think ADAM was Tempted…..and submitted.
October 13, 2008 at 1:58 am |
I don’t have a mother anymore because of the IDMR. In her weakness after getting divorced, my mother met and fell instantly in love with some guy in Trinidad who put her into this mess. Since she couldn’t have him, she married another conman in the “class” after knowing him for 3 months. She moved him in with by brother, my sister, and I when I was a teenager.
He never worked and she supported him completely because she was so in love with “Yahweh in him”. When he started hitting us because we wouldn’t respect him the way we wanted, she stood by and said nothing. She has to ask her class members what to do and decided to stay with him because Yahweh doesn’t condone divorce. Anyone who wants to stay in her house has to convert and “go to class” so when I was 16, I moved in with my Dad.
Her “husband” has a reputation of meeting single mothers, preferably African-American ones and moving in with them to bring chaos to their homes just like he did to us, all of them in the IDMR. Even our step-siblings tried to talk sense into my mother about him, yet she always puts anyone in class over her whole family. To be honest, she doesn’t have much family left, everyone has given up on her. We even planned an intervention but at this point, doubt it would make a difference on her addiction.
Her husband has since then moved on to other victims but my Mom is still gone. Her blind “faith” has driven a wedge that I fear will never be fixed. I have brought up many questions that couldn’t be “proved until I was satisfied” as they smugly brag. One issue was about how a successful barber in class suddenly cut his dreadlocks because some of the class members felt that he was representing himself as a rastafarian and didn’t want that depiction. I asked what the hell a hairdo mattered to a holy spirit and asked for the scripture that talked about it. I happen to be black and my natural hair is kinky; I love my natural hair and love to twist it up so that means I’m going to hell? Well Dr. Kinley didn’t walk around with a damn relaxer in his head? My point did bring doubt to others in my presence that day.
My mother moves strangers in her house. The password must be “Yahweh” because she doesn’t even do a background check! She lives in NYC for God’s sake! So, she leaves these unemployed bums in her house while they say that they will pay her and never do yet my brother and sister have to pay rent when they need a place to stay! She won’t help my little sister get into college but she cosigns on a car with someone in class who, lo and behold, refuses to pay her back.
Because the world is going to end (I’ve been hearing that for a while), she barely goes to work and spends all of her money visiting classes in other areas. My mother is the only grandparent that I have ever known to not have time for her only grandson. When we lived there in NY after I got out of the military, she NEVER had time to even pick my son up from school even though she got home earlier than anyone else because she needed to rest up before class. I can trust my son’s other grandparents before I can trust her to give a damn about him!
I don’t know why I keep trying to have a relationship with her. She came for the weekend I thought to see my son and meet my fiance but she has spent approximately 7 hours of her being awake in 3 days because she called someone from class to pick her up. Priorities, huh?
I brought up to her how it doesn’t make sense that they keep preaching not to care about school or work yet they fund Dr. Harris’ schooling to make sure he keeps his license as a medical doctor. If they are so different from church, how come he doesn’t work? Why is his only job to preach if Yahweh can be in ANY body? Then why yell blasphemy when some other their speakers get on the floor and say that they ARE Yahweh? Is he only in Dr. Harris? Why? Because he knew Dr. Kinley?
My mother wouldn’t even go to my little sister’s wedding because she had to go to class.
When she loses her job is the IDMR going to take her in? Who’s going to be at her bedside when she gets her legs cut off when her diabetes finally takes them considering that she won’t follow doctor’s orders because “this is only the flesh”.
If you want someone to use and get free room & board, the IDMR will deliver someone who used to be my Mom. Have fun because my family has been hurt for the last time. She is dead to me now. On the good note, I swear that I will never make my son feel that he is not important to me. It is a terrible feeling.
October 30, 2008 at 8:19 am |
cjBeliever:
Ayana S., my heart and every fiber of my being is saddened for your loss. The state of mind of your mother is the result of perversion of the true doctrine that Dr. Kinley received and taught. There is no truth being taught in IDMR! True teaching of Dr. Kinley’s panaramatic vision MUST line up, without the perversion of Dr. Harris and his imps scattered around the world devouring souls; as they have your mother. They WILL PAY I assure you.
November 3, 2008 at 8:02 pm |
I am so sorry that you cannot see beyond this flesh. Just because there are people who are in our organization who promoted the belief that the world would end, and are sleeping around and are getting divorced does not mean that IDMR is wrong. When are people going to up off of this flesh? People in Christianity sleep around and so on and so forth… and that doesn’t hold them back from believing—does it? I am sorry, Ayana that you feel this way– but do not condemn an entire assembly because of your mother’s mistakes! we all make them– I dont know her, so I am not calling her a negative spirit or anything– but just b/c you are in class does not keep you from making stupid mistakes~ we all to learn somtimes! She must be in a class that has a strong satanic presence. b/c your hair has nothing to do with it! I dont have natural hair… but I do put weave, braids & color into it. I also have a few piercings and tattoos– AGAIN, its not about the flesh– obviously they havent come to see that! WE DO NOT FUND Dr.Harris by any means– he lives off of his retirement fund– he dosent work b/c hes 88 years old– waaay beyond early retirement years. His duty is to spread the TRUE words and gospel b/c evey organization needs a leader. Yes, we do still need a HEAD of the IDMR BODY, to get buisness taken care of. and YES, Yahweh can be in ANYbody but he does so in different measures and Dr. Harris has the greatest measure in IDMR– is a bag or rice not still a bag of rice-big OR small? Im not sure who misinformed you, but they definately did some damage! I am sorry your mother has HER priorities messed, she needs to get help [coming from a person who GREW UP in class]– but dont blame that on IDMR– that is ignorant! I grew up in class, I am now 21… in college, with great friends [most of whom are not in class], completely normal young adult. I am living proof, that IDMR is not a cult nor did it destroy my life or any relationships I have with anyone! In fact it improved my life. DO NOT bash what you dont understand. “Love overcomes a multitude of sins”. so keep loving her, and hopefully one day Yahweh will put some sense in her head! And yes, the world IS going to end– no man knows when that time cometh. Must I remind you that Dr. Kinley– having all knowledge, took his medicine as if it was going to “help” the day he died– even though he knew he was going to take off the flesh. Just because the world is going to end dosent mean you still shouldnt LIVE– i mean, he DID give us this life! Sound like your mother has it all wrong! btw- saying the world is going to end soon dosent mean its going to happen in our lifetime! our time is not his time– in corinthians it states– 1 day is as one thousand years and one thousand years is as one day– 1day=1000 years! His soon and our soon are two different things!
ANYWAY:
Dr. Kinely was NOT talking about this flesh—! Everything he said was spiritual. He nor did Dr. Harris EVER SAY: “THE WORLD WILL END IN 1996” neither did either one of them say: “THE WORLD WILL END IN 2000”. NEVER—you wont find it, and you’ll never find it cause it ain’t there!
No- I am not trying to justify the folks in IDMR for committing these sins which so easily beset them. What I am saying is there is a negative spirit in operation—that means in class (IDMR) as well! Without darkness- we wouldn’t appreciate light—which is why your comment does not bother or sadden me~ b/c your ignorance shows forth the work Yahweh has done in me! I just don’t want anyone who reads your thoughts and opinions—NOT FACTS (only YAHWEH knows those) and believe them to be truth. What you speak is blasphemy.
The bible was written for the sons of Elohim, and if you be not in that body—you are reading someone else’s mail—HELLO! It makes sense that no one but IDMR has been able to make sense out of this book— and it also makes sense that Mr. Kirred Sirom would go outside of this book to try and prove it wrong~ b/c you can only dispute the bible with what man has recoreded as history when really—its HIS-story [Elohim]. What would make a man believe another man lest he believeth not in HIM [EloHIM]? Did IDMR not teach you, that before Yahshua the messiah died on the cross there was no light in them. Way back in the days you are referring to—Pentecost had not come to be, therefore there was no light in them—not permanently, only in one Yahshua the messiah.
You are wrong in so many different ways—but, it is the satanic spirit’s duty to oppose and twist the truth into a lie, and oh so subtly—do we not remember Eve in the garden, when satan said: “you will NOT surely die”—all he changed was one word and decived the WHOLE WORLD—that includes me and that includes you. But he saw fit to keep me… and saw fit to let you go—that’s all in his purpose though, so I’m not hating, just speaking REAL truth and knowledge. If you want to fight fire with “fire”… use the bible next time you try to disprove something!
While I am on Eve—ADAM DID NOT COMMIT SIN! 1 Timothy 2:14: “And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression”. Please, be sure to check yourself before you blaspheme against him who lives!
IDMR is not a cult. Believe what you will—just remember: judge and BE judged. Whoever opposes Yahweh just simply cannot judge, and will be dammed forever and ever. HALLELU-YAH!
What makes you think that we were the first creation on this earth? Did he not wipe out the inhabitants of the earth during the flood? Did it ever occur to you that: just because it was not recorded in the bible does not mean it didn’t happen—and since the holy spirit was not being given out before the death of the messiah, its appropriate that they called him ADONAI—they didn’t call him Yahweh until after he died—b/c that’s when the holy spirit was being given. Look THAT up—nowhere in the bible did you hear anyone refer to the messiah as YAHWEH [or God]—its just not in there. They referred to him as Adonai, Rabbai, Master, Emmanuel etc. If you notice, the only time the name God or Yahweh was being used in the Old Testament was when the author wrote: and Yahweh said… you never read when anyone called his name Yahweh or God. And the author knew his name because, the holy spirit got in and out of bodies to write the words that he wanted us to read—none of these words were written by mere men—Yahweh would never let that happen!
And before I leave—WHAT?— “It is VIRTUALLY impossible for Yahweh to have stepped into the body of ADAM like they teach in IDMR”. THIS IS ASHAME. How do you limit Yahweh? He is the creator, master & ruler. THE ONLY Omnipotent, omnipresent, all in all Elohim! Yahweh is the limit, source, substance, bounds, essence & origins of EVERYTHING INCLUDING ADAM! I don’t know about your God but my God—The only true Elohim can do anything!
July 2, 2009 at 12:08 am |
Alright Candice. Here’s your quote “Dr. Kinely was NOT talking about this flesh—! Everything he said was spiritual. He nor did Dr. Harris EVER SAY: “THE WORLD WILL END IN 1996” neither did either one of them say: “THE WORLD WILL END IN 2000”. NEVER—you wont find it, and you’ll never find it cause it ain’t there!”
you’re right, you wont find them, they are there, but they are well hidden or destroyed. if one really wanted to find this false information, it is possible
November 4, 2008 at 5:04 pm |
To Candice Lane:
My Sister.
Have you ever been to Israel???? Have you ever been to the Valley of the Kings in Kemet/Egypt???? The people who are living in ISRAEL today do not believe what IDMR is teaching and correct me if I am wrong, but is it not ISRAEL that YAHWEH’s people are from?????
What I am saying is this and it is simple……BEFORE ISRAEL CAME INTO EXISTENCE………civilization, religion and a CREATOR was already here.
All I am saying is you need to know and understand HISTORY…….BEFORE THE FIRST Hebrew came on the scene…….Religion and the worship of the CREATOR was already here…….
In the year 5000B.C.E was the first DYNASTY of Kemet/Egypt. During this time you cannot find evidence of anyone who would call themselves a Hebrew…..The name of the CREATOR was Amen-Ra.
Please do some research before you tell me I am wrong…….Better yet take a trip to ISRAEL and KEMET/Egypt and see for yourself……
November 4, 2008 at 5:13 pm |
I will submit a TIMELINE to those people who think that civilization started with ADAM which dates back about 4000 years and to REFUTE that LIE about a flood of the earth with NOAH….
Never has their ever been a stop in time. NEVER has there ever been a “TOTAL” destruction of humanity that which is spoken of in the bible by NOAH and some FLOOD….
Africa and the Diaspora Timeline
This TimeLine at the time of the original drafting of my paper for African Ensemble Drumming Class entitled Historical Perspective on African Drumming was to be found on the African History website (http://www.africanhistory.com/). Since this site is no more I have chosen to make this resource available on my website so that the hotlink will again work and will allow readers to again access to this information vital to the over standing of the subject at hand. The original copyright notice is intact and presented at the bottom of this page.
2.5 MM — Homo habilis (African) appears.
1.0 MM — Homo erectus (African) appears.
150 M — Homo sabiens sapiens (African) appears.
43000 — Africans begin iron mining in the Nile Valley.
33000 — Invasion of Europe by the Grimaldi Negroid from Africa.
30000 — Africans of Monomotapa create the first sculpture of a human figure.
30000 — Arrival of Australians in Australia.
20000 — First Cro-Magnon in Europe.
17850 — Africans cultivating and harvesting barley and einkorn wheat in the Nile Valley.
15000 — Africans in Kenya domesticate cattle.
12000 — Sebelian II rules in Pre-Dynastic Kemet.
10000 — The first calendar is introduced by the Africans of the Nile Valley.
8000 — Sebelian III rules in Pre-Dynastic Kemet.
6020 — Africans in the Congo use markings on bones to develop a numeration system. 4100 — The first solar calendar is introduced by Kemet and Kush.
3800 — Emergence of earliest Nubian civilization.
3758 — The world’s first religious principles are written by the Kushite, King Ori (right & wrong).
3400 — Nubian Kingdom of Ta-Seti founded.
3150 — King Narmer (Menes) unifies Upper and Lower Kemet and establishes Memphis as capital.
3000 — Modern West Africans develop more complex societies in Nigeria.
2980 — King Khasekhemuwy rules in Kemet during the 2nd Dynastry.
2900 — Kush invades and establishes the Kingdom of Elam in the Empire of Persia.
2685 — The Grand Lodge of Luxor was built at Danderah by Khufu.
2650 — Imhotep of Ta-Merry builds Step Pyramid and Saqqara complex during Zoser’s reign.
2500 — Indus Valley civilization in India develops; Dravidians from Africa are foundation builders.
2465 — All the great pyramids at Dahshur & Giza, sun temples and mortuary complexes completed.
2323 — Pyramid Texts inscribed in tomb of King Unas.
2300 — An African King rules Mesopotamia, King Patesi of Lagash, more generally known as Gudea.
2150 — Kemet experiences cultural upheaval (until 2040 B.C.E.).
2040 — Mentuhotep II unifies Kemet and relocates the capital to Waset.
2000 — Beginning of the Kingdom of Cush in Sudan with its capital at Kerma.
1897 — Amenemhet constructs the great Kemetic Labyrinth.
1783 — First Asian invasion of Kemet by Hyksos (until 1550 B.C.E.).
1700 — Agricultural revolution in sub-Saharan Africa. 1550 — King Ahmose defeats the Hyksos and reunifies Kemet.
1504 — Thutmose I expands rulership to include Persia and Iraq.
1500 — Beginning of the Olmecs in Mexico (to 800 B.C.E.).
1473 — Queen Hatshepsut rules Kemet as first female pharaoh.
1391 — Thutmose III rules Kemet at the height of its military power. Queen Tiye rules by his side.
1353 — Amenhotep IV (Akhenaton) introduces concepts of Aton as the only God in Kemet.
1333 — Tutankhamen becomes the king.
1306 — Seti I, the father of Rameses II builds major tomb in the Valley of the Kings.
1290 — Rameses II (Rameses the Great) rules Kemet for 67 years.
1070 — Period of great social, political, and religious decline in Kemet (until 750 B.C.E.).
970 — Cush becomes an independent kingdom with the capital at Napata on the Nile.
760 — King Kashta rules Meroe until 751
751 — Piye (Piankhi), Nubian king conquers Upper and Lower Kemet removing foreigners
716 — King Shabato rules Meroe until 701
690 — Taharqa leads military invasion of Spain and Palestine.
667 — Nubians battle Assyrians for both Lower and Upper Kemet.
600 — Pharaoh Necho (Niku) II commissioned Hanno to circumnavigate the entire continent of Africa.
548 — The Secret Temple of the Mysteries System of Delfi is burnt to the ground.
538 — King Analma’aye rules Kush until 533.
533 — King Amani-natake-lebte rules Kush until 513.
525 — Kemet invaded by Cambyses and becomes a part of the Persian Empire.
513 — King Korkamani rules Kush until 503.
503 — King Amani-astabarqa rules Kush until 478.
500 — Nok culture thrives in western Sudan (Nigeria).
478 — King Sisaspiqa rules Kush until 458.
460 — Herodotus arrives in Kemet searching for knowledge.
458 — King Nasakhma rules Kush until 453.
453 — King Malewiebamani rules Kush until 423.
423 — King Talakhamani rules Kush until 418.
418 — King Aman-nete-yerike rules Kush until 398.
398 — King Baskakeren rules Kush until 397.
397 — King Harisiotet rules Kush until 362.
380 — 30th Dynasty is the last period of rulership by native-born Kemetic kings (ends 343 B.C.E.).
342 — King Akhratan rules Kush until 328.
332 — Alexander of Macedonia (Alexander the Great) defeats the Persian army and conquers Kemet.
328 — King Nastasen rules Kush until 308.
300 — In Kush the royal institution of the Kentake (Candaces) or Queen Mother is established.
300 — Africans in Kenya develop a complex calendar system based on astronomical reckoning.
280 — Merotic Script, an indigenous form of written communication is introduced.
260 — Queen Bartare rules Meroe until 250.
250 — Zenith of Meroitic civilization until 100 A.D.
218 — Hannibal leads his army across the Alps to challenge Rome.
170 — Queen Shanakdakhete rules Meroe until 160.
41 — Queen Amanishabhete rules Meroe until 12; Roman invasion occurs in 23.
30 — Augustus Caesar claims Egypt as a province of Rome.
22 — Africans living in Tanzania produce carbon steel in 1,800°C blast furnaces.
12 — Queen Amaritare rules Meroe until 12 A.D.
62 A.D. — Queen Amanikhastashan rules Meroe (Nubia) until 85 100 — Hausa Bokwoi rose as an empire in Nigeria
(beginning as separate states)
300 — States of Takrur and Ghana founded.
330 — Conquest of Meroitic Empire by Nuba; Aksum becomes commercial center of sub-Saharan.
350 — Aksumite king Ezana converts to Christianity and declares it the state religion..
391 — Christian Emperor Theodosius bans the ancient religious systems of Egypt (book burning).
500 — originally from Mali or Guinea, the Djembe’ is believed to have seen its invention near this time.
527 — Christian Emperor Justinian closes the last Egyptian temple at Philae.
550 — Emperor Kanissa-ai of Ghana chooses Koranga as his capital city; his mother was born there.
641 — Moslems first invasion of Nubia (Sudan).
642 — Conquest of Egypt by Arabs and the introduction of Islam.
700 — States of Gao and Kanem founded (until 900).
715 — The first Moorish Dynasty, the Umayyad, ruled Spain from 715 to 750.
846 — Founding of the Kanem-Bornu kingdom east of Lake Chad.
880 — The Yoruba founded Ife, still the spiritual centre of Yorubaland.
900 — Kingdom of Ghana.
990 — Grasslanders move into the forests of Nigeria, begin dynasties at Oyo and Benin.
1000 — Islam moves into sub-Saharan Africa.
1000 — Great Zimbabwe is the capital of Mwenetupa Empire in Southern Africa.
1050 — Mandingo king Baramendana Keita converts to Islam by his own choosing.
1054 — Muslim Berbers (Almoravids) declare a jihad against the Kingdom of Ghana.
1067 — Tunka Menin rules the Empire of Ghana.
1087 — Kanem-Bornu converts to Islam.
1100 — Kingdom of Benin (until 1897).
1116 — According to Idrisi, the emperor of Ghana lived in a stone-fortified castle with glass windows.
1200 — Establishment of Hausa kingdoms in west Africa; first kingdom: Daura.
1203 — Fall of the kingdom of Ghana to the Sosso.
1230 — The fourth and last Moorish Dynasty, The Almohade falls in Spain.
1230 — Kingdom of Mali established under King Sundiata Keita (ruled 1230-1255).
1290 — The Dogon of Mali plot the orbits of various universes and star systems including Sirius B1.
1300 — The slave trade greatly expands in northern Africa, Ethiopia, and the West African savanna.
1324 — Emperor of Mali, Mansa Mussa goes to Mecca with an entourage of 60,000.
1332 — Death of Mansa Musa, the great king of Mali (ruled 1307-1332).
1375 — GAO secedes from Mali, eventually becomes the Songhai Empire.
1415 — Portuguese battle Arabs and Moors in Ceuta in Morocco.
1420 — Minority Tutsi follow Hutu into Rwanda and establish a feudal monarchy.
1438 — The Portuguese travel down the coast of Africa.
1440 — Eware the Great (ruled 1440-1473) expands Benin into a great forest empire. 1442 — The Portuguese buy a small number of African prisoners of war from other Africans.
1450 — Decline of the Kingdom of Mali; rise of the Songhai Empire.
1460 — Cayor emancipates itself from Mali to become an independent province.
1465 — Seven Cayorian dynasties last until 1870; they never embraced Islam.
1468 — Sonni Ali conquers Timbuktu removing the Tuaregs who caused much damage.
1484 — The Fung Kingdom reigns in Sudan until 1790.
1493 — Muhammad Touré (1493-1528) assumes power in Songhai; the empire becomes Muslim.
1500 — Consolidation of Songhai Empire under Askia Muhammed.
1517 — Egypt conquered by the Turks of the Ottoman Empire.
The Diaspora Begins
1518 — The first enslaved Africans arrived in South America, the Caribbean, and North America.
1529 — Muslim state of Adal declares a jihad against Christian Ethiopia, conquers most of Ethiopia.
1538 — The first recorded importation of Africans into Brazil.
1541 — Ethiopia defeats of the Muslims.
1549 –The zenith of the Songhai Empire under Askia Daud (1549-1582).
1569 — The Great Mosque of Timbuktu is restored by Cadi El Aquib.
1593 — Moroccans defeat the Songahai with the help of firearms; rape of men & women is common.
1593 — University of Sankoré, in Timbuktu is destroyed by Arabs & the faculty is exiled to Morocco.
1593 — The great Sudanese scholar Ahmed Baba loses 1,600 books during forced exile by Arabs.
1596 — Askia Nuh does not accept Arab domination and organizes national resistance. 1606 — Enslaved Africans in Brazil establish a maroon settlement known as Palmares.
1623 — Queen Nzingha becomes Monarch of Ndanga (Angola) and declares war on the Portuguese.
1655 — 1,500 enslaved Africans go to Jamaican mountains, establishing free Maroon communities.
1663 — Slave rebellion takes place on September 13th in Gloucester County, Virginia
*1666-1776: Slaves imported only by the English for the English, French and Spanish colonies: 3 million (250,000 died on the voyage).
1672 — Charles the II of England charters the Royal African Company for the purpose of slave trading.
*1680-1786: Slaves imported for the English colonies in America: 2,130,000 (Jamaica alone absorbed 610,000).
1695 — King Zumbi of Palmares is killed by the Portuguese; Palmares is destroyed (November 20th).
1712 — A slave insurrection occurred April 7th in New York City.
*1716-1756: Average annual number of slaves imported for the American colonies: 70,000, with a total of 3.5 million.
1739 — The Maroons of Jamaica and the British sign a peace treaty on March 1st.
1739 — Led by Cato on September 9th, slaves rebel and kill more than 25 enslavers.
*1752-1762: Jamaica alone imported 71,115 slaves.
*1759-1762: Guadeloupe alone imported 40,000 slaves.
1770 — Crispus Attucks is one of the first to die for America at the Boston Massacre on March 5th.
1772 — Lord Mansfield declares exportation of slaves from Britain illegal.
1772 — James Somerset becomes de facto spokesman for Blacks in Britain.
1773 — Poems on Various Subjects, Religious and Moral were published by Phyllis Wheatley.
1774 — Henry Smeathmen proposes to the British government to set up a colony in Sierra Leone.
1776 — During American Revolution many Blacks fight for British promised freedom (ends 1783).
*1776-1800: A yearly average of 74,000 slaves were imported for the American colonies, or a total of 1,850,000; this yearly average was divided up as follows: by the English, 38,000; French, 20,000; Portuguese, 10,000; Dutch, 4,000; Danes, 2,000.
1777 — The Republic of Vermont passes the 1st constitution in the U.S. prohibiting slavery.
1777 — 5,000 Africans participate in the U.S. Revolutionary War.
1783 — Blacks establish settlements in Nova Scotia separately from Whites & legally unrecognized.
1786 — Quakers in Pennsylvania begin to organize the Underground Railroad.
1786 — Blacks in London sign up for colony at Sierra Leone; disembark in Feb ‘87.
1787 — King Naimbana of Temnes permits colony to settle in a treaty with a local British governor.
1787 — The Free African Society is founded in Philadelphia by Richard Allen and Absalom Jones.
1790 — Sierra Leone, disastrous failure most dies from disease; town is destroyed by local peoples.
1790 — Discontented Blacks arrive from Nova Scotia and are met by Granville Town survivors.
1793 — Congress passes the first Fugitive Slave Act on February 12th.
1794 — Sierra Leone attacked by French privateers; colony liberated in two months.
1795 — Jean Baptist Pointe DuSable establishes a trading post at the mouth of the Chicago River.
1798 — Egypt conquered by Napoleon of France.
1800 — Discontent Blacks rebel after demand for Black judges denied; rebellion crushed in a week.
1801 — War in Sierre Leone (ends 1807).
1803 — Sierra Leone Co. petitions British Parliament for loans; they are rejected over four years.
1807 — Colony become under rule directly from London and Sierra Leone Co. is legally dissolved.
1801 — Africans led by Toussaint L’Ouverture revolt and seize complete power in Haiti from France.
1807 — The British Parliament bans the slave trade.
1808 — The importation of enslaved Africans is forbidden by the U.S.; law is ignored.
1810 — The Afro-American Insurance Company is established by three black men.
1811 — Paul Cuffe, a black nationalist begins transporting blacks from North America back to Africa.
1815 — Fulani Emirs declared a jihad against the Hausa state of Gobir
1818 — Frederick Douglass is born on Maryland’s Eastern Shore in Talbot County in February.
1820 — Mohammad Ali of Egypt captures Sudan.
1822 — African Americans settlers found Monrovia, capital of Liberia.
1822 — George Wilson (a black slave) tells white slavers of Denmark Vesey’s plan to lead a revolt.
1823 — Alexander Lucius Twilight graduates from Middlebury College.
1827 — The first African American newspaper is published, Freedom’s Journal.
1831 — The Honorable Nat Turner begins his fight for freedom in Virginia, 60 slavers killed.
1832 — The anti-slavery Abolitionist Party is founded in Boston.
1833 — Enslaved people are freed in all British possessions.
1834 — Henry Blair is the first African American to be granted a U.S. patent (for a seed planter).
1837 — Aleksandr Sergeyevich Pushkin (novelist), a Russian of African descent, is killed in a duel.
1838 — The first African American magazine is published, The Mirror of Liberty.
1839 — Frederick Douglass escapes from slavery.
1839 — Slaves revolt on Spanish ship, Amistad and secure freedom via Supreme Court.
1841 — William A. Liedesdorff from the Virgin Islands becomes the 1st African American millionaire.
1843 — U.S. Patent Office issues Norbert Rillieux a patent for a revolutionary system of refining sugar.
1844 — Macon B. Allen is admitted to the bar in Maine to practice law as a licensed attorney.
1845 — Frederick Douglass’s autobiography Narrative of the Life of Frederick Douglass is published.
1847 — Liberia becomes an independent republic on July 26th.
1847 — Frederick Douglass begins publishing The North Star, an anti-slavery journal.
1849 — Harriet Tubman escapes from slavery; returns to the South over twenty times to free others.
1850 — Slave trade is forbidden in the District of Columbia.
1850 — Emperor Tewodros II led campaigns against Egyptian intruders.
1852 — Martin R. Delany publishes The Condition, Elevation, Emigration, and Destiny….
1853 — William Wells Brown’s novel The President’s Daughter is published.
1854 — The first modern college for Blacks established at Ashmun Institute (Lincoln University).
1855 — The founder of modern Ethiopia, Emperor Tewodros II unifies Ethiopia and teaches Menelik.
1857 — The Supreme Court denies blacks U.S. citizenship; Dred Scott loses his case.
1859 — Militant anti-slaver, John Brown is hung for treason after raiding a federal arsenal in Virginia.
1859 — Harriet Wilson’s novel Our Nig is published.
1860 — Isaac Myers begins organizing the Colored National Labor Union.
1861 — Yoruba, under pressure from black muslims, draws closer to Britain, which annexes Lagos.
1862 — Ida B. Wells is born on July 16th.
1862 — 186,000 Africans serve during the Civil War; 38,000 die in service.
1863 — The first school for freed enslaved people is founded in Frogmore, South Carolina.
1863– Abraham Lincoln issues the Emancipation Proclamation.
1863 — William Brown published The Black Man: His Antecedents, His Genius, & His Achievements.
1864 — The Ku Klux Klan is organized in Pulaski, Tennessee.
1864 — During the Berlin Conference of 1884-85 European countries plot the complete colonialization of Africa
1865 — General Lee surrenders to General Grant at Appomotax, ending the U.S. Civil War
1865 — The Thirteenth Amendment, which outlaws slavery in the U.S., is ratified
1866 — Fisk University is established in Knoxville, Tennessee.
1867 — Negro League Baseball begins in early Spring until late Fall then the Winter season
1867 — Sarah Breedlove (Madam C.J. Walker) is born on a Mississippi River plantation in Delta, LA to former slaves, Owens and Minerva Breedlove
1868 — The Fourteenth Amendment, validating citizenship rights for all persons born in the U.S.
1869 — The British and other Ethiopians encircled Emperor Tewrodos II; he commits suicide.
1870 — The ratification of the Fifteenth Amendment secures voting rights for all male U.S. citizens.
1870 — Thomas M. Peterson is the first African American to vote.
1874 — Blanche Kelso Bruce becomes the first African American senator to serve a full term.
1876 — Edward Alexander Bouchet receives a Ph.D. in physics from Yale University.
1879 — The Zulus defeat the British for the last time in The Battle of Isandlwana.
1879 — A European, Dr. Felkin witnesses a caesarean operation by Banyoro surgeons in Uganda.
1881 — British and Ottoman troops seize control of Egypt and Sudan.
1881 — Booker T. Washington establishes the Tuskegee Institute, an industrial school for blacks.
1883 — Spelman College is founded in Atlanta, Georgia.
1884 — Granville T. Woods secures his first patent was in 1884 for a steam boiler furnace.
1884 — British control of Nigeria expanded, set up under treaties with Yoruba rulers.
1885 — Mohammed-Ahmed, a Sudanese defeats the Anglo-Arab army recapturing much land.
1885 — Belgium colonizes Zaire as Congo Free State.
1885 — A patent is awarded to Sarah Goode for a folding cabinet bed.
1886 — Menelik moves the Ethiopian capital to the Intoto valley (Addis Ababa).
1886 — Frederick Douglass travels to Africa and climbs one of the pyramids.
1887 — Ethiopians defeat a small contingent of Italians near Dogali.
1887 — The Honorable Marcus Garvey is born in Jamaica, August 17th (32 Market St., St. Ann’s Bay).
1887 — Granville T. Woods patents the rail telegraph system.
1889 — Ida B. Wells becomes editor of the Free Press and the Highlight.
1889 — Menelik II is crowned the new Emperor and he makes a treaty with Italy.
1891 — Provident Hospital in Chicago, Illinois becomes the 1st African American Hospital.
1892 — Ida B. Wells is the first writer to document the lynching of African Americans.
1892 — Sarah Boone receives a patent for an ironing board.
1895 — Paul Laurence Dunbar’s poetry collection Majors and Minors is published.
1895 — Frederick Douglass dies.
1896 — Near Adwa, a small Tigrayen city, Ethiopia defeats the Italian colonial army and kills 12,000.
1896 — Paul Laurence Dunbar’s poetry collection Lyrics of Lowly Life is published.
1896 — U.S. Supreme Court decides that separate but equal does not violate the Constitution.
1898 — Paul Robeson is born in Princeton, New Jersey on 4/9, son of an escaped enslaved person.
1899 — Dr. George F. Grant patented the wooden golf tee (Patent #638,920).
1900 — Britain controls Nigeria.
1900 — The first Pan-African Congress convenes in London.
1901 — James and J. Rosamond Johnson write “Lift Every Voice and Sing”.
1901 — Booker T. Washington’s autobiography Up from Slavery is published.
1903 W.E.B. Dubois’s collection The Souls of Black Folks: Essays & Sketches is published.
1903 — The Future Heavyweight Champ Jack Johnson plays 1st base for the Philadelphia Giants.
1903 — Maggie Lena Walker becomes Bank President of St. Luke Bank & Trust Company.
1903 — Williams and Walker open “In Dahomey” the first all black musical on a major Broadway stage.
1904 — Madam C.J. Walker works as an agent for Annie (Pope Turnbo) Malone, founder of the Poro Company, an early manufacturer of hair care products for black women.
1904 — The Atlanta debate between W.E.B. DuBois and Booker T. Washington occurs. 1904 — Philip Payton founds the Afro-American Realty Company in New York City.
1905 — Madam C.J. Walker moves to Denver where she establishes her own hair care products company.
1905 — The Niagara Movement is established; among its leaders is W.E.B. DuBois.
1905 — In Negro Baseball League good teams in major cities make money; white league does not.
1907 — Alain Locke is the first African American Rhodes Scholar.
1908 — Jack Johnson wins the World Heavyweight Boxing Championship.
1908 — Madam Walker moves to Pittsburgh and opens Lelia College to train Walker “hair culturists”.
1909 — The NAACP is founded in New York; almost all the signers of the charter are white.
1909 — Kwame Nkrumah is born on September 18th in the village of Nkroful, Ghana.
1909 — Matthew Henson reaches the North Pole.
1910 — The Hilldale Club of Negro Baseball and their stadium is owned by a Black man. 1910 — Madame C.J. Walker establishes a manufacturing plant in Indianapolis.
1910 — Granville T. Woods, master inventor (over 60 patents in his name) dies.
1911 — National Urban League is founded in New York City.
1911 — Madam Walker pledges $1,000 to the building fund of Indianapolis’s new black YMCA.
1912 — W. C. Handy published the first blues song, Memphis Blues on September 27th. 1912 — James Weldon Johnson’s novel The Autobiography of an Ex-Coloured Man is published.
1912 — Madam Walker speaks at the National Negro Business League convention.
1913 — Menelik II dies and is succeeded by his grandson Lej Isayu.
1913 — Madam Walker divorces C.J. Walker, but retains his name. A’Lelia persuades her mother to purchase a townhouse at 108-110 West 136th Street in Harlem.
1914 — The Universal Negro Improvement & Conservation Association & African Communities League is launched by the Honorable Marcus Garvey.
1914 — Nigerian Council of six African and 30 European members was set up to advice the governor.
1915 — The great migration of southern blacks to the North begins; industry needs labor.
1916 — Belgium takes over rule of Burundi and Rwanda.
1916 — Madam Walker purchases property in Irvington-on-Hudson, New York, the wealthiest residential community in America.
1916 — 350,000 African Americans serve during World War I.
1917 — Race riots in East St. Louis, Illinois.
1917 — Silent Protest Parade in New York City on July 27th.
1918 — The Honorable Marcus Garvey incorporates the Universal Negro Improvement Association in the USA.
1918 — Manuel Raimundo Querino publishes The African Contribution to Brazilian Civilization.
1918 — The French award the Croix de Guerre to the 369th Regiment and named it “Harlem Hell Fighters”.
1919 — Oscar Micheaux finishes his first film, The Homesteader.
1919 — Paul Robeson graduates Valedictorian, Phi Beta Kappa, All-American Football from Rutgers.
1919 — Madam Walker hosts a meeting of the International League of Darker People with Marcus Garvey.
1919 — On May 25th Madam Walker dies at Villa Lewaro of kidney failure caused by hypertension.
1919 W.E.B. Dubois organizes the first Pan-African Congress in Paris.
1921 — Bessie Coleman earns an International Pilot’s license.
1921 — Henry Pace forms the Pace Phonographic Corporation, which owned the Black Swan label.
1922 — Legislative Council (ten Africans, four of them elected and 36 Europeans) in Nigeria.
1922 — Jack Johnson, the first Black Boxing Champion patents a theft-prevention device for vehicles.
1922 — Claude McKay’s poetry collection Harlem Shadows is published.
1923 — Harlem Renaissance Basketball club founded.
1923 — Ethiopia becomes a member of the League of Nations.
1923 — Garrett A. Morgan receives a patent for the first automatic traffic light.
1923 — Paul Robeson graduates from Columbia Law School.
1923 — Marcus Garvey’s The Philosophy & Opinion of Marcus Garvey, two volumes set is published.
1923 — Jean Toomer’s prose collection Cane is published.
1924 — Paul Robeson stars in the lead of The Emperor Jones in the Provincetown Theatre in NYC.
1924 — Paul Robeson stars in his first film, Body and Soul by Oscar Micheaux.
1925 — The Division of Negro Literature, History, and Prints (Schomburg Center) opens.
1925 — The New Negro: An Interpretation is published, formally recognizing Harlem Renaissance.
1925 — The Honorable Marcus Garvey is betrayed by his own people and is sent to prison.
1926 — Carter G. Woodson head of Ass. for Study of Negro Life & History, creates Negro History Week.
1926 — John William Coltrane is born in Hamlet, North Caroline on September 23, 1926.
1927 — Langston Hughes’s poetry collection Fine Clothes to the Jew is published.
1927 — James Weldon Johnson’s God’s Trombones: Seven Negro Sermons in Verse is published.
1927 — A’Lelia Walker (Madam’s daughter) open Dark Tower, a salon for Harlem Renaissance writers, artists, and musicians, at her 136th Street townhouse.
1928 — Innovation of metal ring head mounting system and rope tuning via the Mali weave for djembe’ and other African drums.
1928 — The Mme.C.J. Walker Manufacturing Company opens a $1,000,000 factory, office building and Movie Theater in Indianapolis.
1929 — Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was born on January 15, 1929, in Atlanta, Georgia.
1929 — The U.S. stock market crash sends Mme.C.J. Walker Manufacturing Company into a financial crisis.
1930 — Ras Tafari Mekonen was crowned the new Emperor Haile Selasie after the death of Empress.
1930 — The first Temple of Islam is founded in Detroit, Michigan.
1930 — The Kansas City Monarchs have the first portable light system in Negro Baseball.
1930 — Paul Robeson stars in the London production of Shakespeare’s Othello.
1931 — Ida B. Wells joins her ancestors on March 25th.
1933 — H. Naylor Fitzhugh is the first African American to graduate from the Harvard Business School.
1933 — The publication of the journal Létudiant noir marks the offical birth of the negritude movement.
1934 — Paul and Essie Robeson travel to the Soviet Union at the invitation of Russian film director.
1935 — Negro Baseball League is stable; all clubs at breakeven; biggest black business, $2 MM/yr.
1935 — Mary McLeod Bethune founds the National Council of Negro Women
1935 — Harlem Race Riot occurs.
1935 — Kwame Nkrumah is introduced to The Philosophy & Opinions of Marcus Garvey.
1936 — Jesse Owens wins 4 gold medals at the Olympics in Berlin, Germany.
1936 — Josh Gibson, a catcher for the Negro League’s Pittsburgh Crawfords hits 84 homers.
1937 — Zora Neale Hurston’s novel Their Eyes Were Watching God is published.
1937 — W.E.B. Dubois & Paul Robeson are co-founders & co-chairmen of Council on African Affairs.
1939 — Aimé F. Césaire, The Father of Negritude uses the word in Cahier d’un retour au pays natal.
1940 — The Honorable Marcus Garvey dies with a broken heart on June 10th (God bless his soul).
1940 — American Negro Theater founded.
1940 — Richard Wright publishes the novel Native Son.
1942 — John H. Johnson publishes Negro Digest in November with a $500 loan on mother’s furniture.
1943 — Poor people in Ethiopia revolt in Tigray.
1943 — With Paul Robeson, Othello breaks all Broadway records for Shakespearean productions.
1944 — The U.S. Supreme Court rules that no American can be denied the right to vote.
1944 — The United Negro College Fund is founded on April 24th.
1945 — Dr. Lloyd A. Quarterman receives an award of appreciation for his work on the Atomic Bomb.
1945 — The Negro Leagues reach a plateau of stability and efficiency.
1945 — Gwendolyn Brooks’s poetry collection A Street in Bronzeville is published.
1945 — John Coltrane has his first professional jazz appearance, playing alto sax with the Jimmy Johnson Big Band.
1945 — Richard Wright’s autobiography Black Boy: A Record of Childhood and Youth is published.
1946 — Takala Walda-Hawaryat opposes the return of the exiled Emperor Selasie, is detained.
1946 — Jackie Robinson integrates into the White Baseball League.
1946 — The Street, published by Ann Petry sells more than one million copies.
1947 — Every team in the Negro Leagues loses money; black fans more interested in integration.
1947 — John Coltrane has a jam session with Charlie Parker.
1947 — Présence Africaine, a leading literary journal is founded by Senghor, Césaire, and Demas.
1947 — John Hope Franklin publishes From Slavery to Freedom.
1947 — The new Nigeria Council had 28 African (four elected) and 17 European members.
1948 — Apartheid is instituted in South Africa; it calls for the supremacy of whites.
1948 — U.S. President Harry Truman bans segregation in the armed forces.
1949 — Singer Juanita Hall is the first African American to receive a Tony award.
1950 — John Coltrane (on alto) has a recording session with Dizzy Gillespie and his Orchestra.
1950 — The U.S. government takes Paul Robeson’s passport and attempts to silence him.
1950 — Kwame Nkrumah is arrested and imprisoned by the British.
1950 — Ralph Bunche receives the Nobel Peace Prize for his work as a mediator in Palestine.
1950 — Gwendolyn Brooks is awarded a Pulitzer Prize for her collection of poems, Annie Allen.
1952 — John Coltrane plays with Miles Davis and Sonny Rollins at the Audubon Ballroom in Harlem.
1952 — Africans rebel against British rule in the Mau-Mau uprisings in Kenya (until 1956).
1952 — On March 5th Kwame Nkrumah is named the Prime Minister of Ghana.
1953 — James Baldwin publishes Go Tell It on the Mountain.
1953 — Ralph Ellison receives the National Book Award for fiction for his novel Invisible Man.
1954 — A further constitution declared Nigeria a federation.
1954 — U.S. Supreme Court rules that racial segregation in public schools is unconstitutional.
1954 — George and Joan Johnson found the Johnson Product Company.
1955 — Dr. Cheikh Anta Diop publishes Nations Nègres et Culture.
1955 — Rosa Parks refuses to give up her seat to a white man on a Montgomery, Alabama bus.
1956 — U.S. Supreme Court outlaws segregated seating on buses.
1956 — The First Congress of African Writers is held in Paris.
1957 — The Southern Christian Leadership Conference is formed on February 14th.
1957 — Kwame Nkrumah leads Ghana to independence on March 5th.
1957 — U.S. Congress passes the Voting Rights Act of 1957.
1957 — John W. Coltrane experiences his spiritual rebirth in 1957; no more drugs.
1957 — Internal self-government was gained by the Eastern and Western regions of Nigeria.
1957 — Black Orpheus, a journal of African writing is established in Nigeria.
1957 — John Coltrane works with Thelonious Monk at the Five Spot in New York.
1958 — The U.S government returns Paul Robeson’s passport, his health is poor.
1958 — Addis Abeba became the registered office for the Economic Commission for Africa.
1958 — Chinua Achebe’s novel Things Fall Apart is published.
1958 — Paul Robeson’s autobiography Here I Stand is published.
1958 — The Book of Negro Folklore, edited by Arna Bontemps and Langston Hughes is published.
1959 — Internal self-government was gained by Northern Nigeria.
1959 — Berry Gordy establishes Motown Records in Detroit, Michigan.
1959 — Lorraine Hansberry’s play A Raisin in the Sun is produced and published.
1959 — Ruth Bowen establishes the Queen Booking Company, a talent agency in New York City.
1960 — Nigeria is free.
1960 — Ghana is declared a republic and Nkrumah becomes its first President on July 1st.
1960 — Congo becomes an independent nation.
1960 — South African police fire on demonstrators at Sharpeville; murdering 67.
1960 — Marion Barry founds the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee (SNCC).
1960 — John Coltrane wins both the general and critics polls of Down Beat magazine for tenor sax; wins critics poll for
combo and miscellaneous instrument (soprano sax).
1960 — Poor people in Ethiopia revolt in Sidamo.
1960 — A coup by General Mengistu Naway and his brother Garwane Naway fails in Ethiopia.
1961 — Led by Julius Nyerere, Tanganyika achieves independence from Britain.
1961 — A. Phillip Randolph march in Washington D.C.
1961 — Wilt Chamberlain scores 100 points in a single game to create an unbreakable record.
1961 — Bob Marley, Bunny Livingston, and Peter Tosh form a group called the Rudeboys.
1961 — Ossie Davis’s play Purlie Victorious is produced and published.
1962 — Rwanda and Burundi gain independence.
1962 — John Coltrane has a recording Session with Duke Ellington.
1963 — Under the leadership of Jomo Kenyatta, Kenya achieves independence from Britain.
1963 — Frantz Fanon publishes The Wretched of the Earth.
1963 — Medgar Evers murdered by Klansman in Mississippi (6/12).
1963 — Poor people in Ethiopia revolt in Bale (until 1970).
1963 — Nigeria became a Republic with Dr. Nnamdi Azikiwe its first President (October 1st).
1963 — A black church is bombed in Birmingham, Alabama, killing four girls (9/15).
1963 — W.E.B. Dubois passes away.
1963 — March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom draws 250,000 demonstrators.
1963 — The Organization for African Unity is founded in the Ethiopian capital.
Queen Mother Moore forms the Reparations Committee of Descendants of U.S. Slaves.
1963 — Gordon Parks’ novel The Learning Tree is published.
1963 — Wole Soyinka’s plays The Lion & the Jewel and A Dance in the Forest are published.
1964 — Al-Hajj Malik Shabazz forms the Organization of Afro-American Unity.
1964 — John Coltrane records A Love Supreme, Part I, II, III, and IV.
1964 — Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. is awarded the Nobel Prize for Peace.
1964 — The Civil Rights Act abolishes segregation in public accommodations in the South.
1964 — Eight South African leaders, including Nelson Mandela are sentenced to life imprisonment.
1964 — Amiri Baraka’s play Dutchman is produced and published.
1965 — Many student demonstrations in the streets of Addis Ababa.
1965 — Al-Hajj Malik Shabazz is murdered by his own people in front of family (2/21 @ 3:10pm).
1965 — The Autobiography of Malcolm X is published.
1965 — Elijah Muhammad publishes Message to the Blackman in America.
1965 — Race riots in the Watts district of Los Angeles; over $225 million in property damage.
1965 — A white minority regime declares Rhodesia independent, civil war begins (until 1979).
1965 — The Voting Rights Act provides guarantees for black voting in the South.
1966 — The first of seven coups in Nigeria occurred in January (many leaders murdered).
1966 — While away visiting China, Kwame Nkrumah is overthrown on February 24th.
1966 — Bobby Seale & Huey Newton found the Black Panther Party in Oakland, California.
1967 — Eastern Nigeria claims independence as the Republic of Biafra; this leads to a civil war.
1967 — Black Power Conference in Newark, NJ.
1967 — John Coltrane opens The Olatunji Center of African Culture, 43 East 125th Street, Harlem on March 27th.
1967 — John William Coltrane dies in Huntington, Long Island on July 17, 1967.
1968 — Black Power Conference in Philadelphia, PA.
1968 — Poor people in Ethiopia revolt in Gojam.
1968 — Martin Luther King, Jr. is assassinated in Memphis, Tennessee; riots occur in 125 U.S. areas.
1969 — Fred Hampton is murdered in Chicago, IL.
1969 — Black Power Conference in Bermuda, W.I.
1969 — U.S. Supreme Court rules that school districts must end racial segregation at once.
1969 — Toni Morrison’s novel The Bluest Eye is published.
1970 — Poor people in Ethiopia revolt in Wolo.
1970 — Biafra was defeated in January 1970; the war takes one million Nigerian lives.
1970 — Congress on African People in Atlanta, GA.
1970 — Maya Angelou published I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings.
1971 — Ernest J. Gaines’s novel The Autobiography of Miss Jane Pittman is published.
1971 — Dr. Yosef A.A. ben-Jochannan publishes Africa Mother of Western Civilization.
1971 — George Jackson murdered (8/21).
1972 — Frank Wills, an African American security guard discovers the Watergate Break-in.
1972 — Wole Soyinka’s autobiography The Man Died: Prison Notes of Wole Soyinka is published.
1972 — On April 27th Kwame Nhrumah dies in Burcharest.
1973 — Ayi Kwei Armah published Two Thousand Seasons.
1973 — Emperor Haile Selasie is overthrown by a military coup on September 12th.
1974 — Ethiopian peasants revolt against their feudal exploiters.
1975 — Arthur Ashe wins the Wimbledon singles title.
1975 — Emperor Haile Selasie is killed in August and buried under one of his former palaces.
1975 — Another Nigerian coup, new leader Brigadier Murtala Muhammed.
1976 — Paul Robeson passes on January 23rd.
1976 — Negro History Week becomes Black History Month.
1976 — Abortive Nigerian coup, Brigadier Murtala Muhammed is assassinated.
1976 — Police fire on demonstrating students and school children in the Soweto, South Africa.
1976 — Alex Haley’s novel Roots: The Saga of an American Family is published.
1976 — Ntozake Shange’s play for colored girls who have considered suicide is produced.
1978 — National Black Consciousness Day (Zumbi Day) is established in Brazil on November 20th.
1978 — Muhammad Ali wins the world heavyweight boxing championship for a record third time.
1978 — James Alan McPherson receives a Pulitzer Prize for his short story collection Elbow Room.
1979 — Multi-party elections are held in Nigeria and Alhaji Shehu Shagari becomes President.
1980 — Freedom fighters destroy Rhodesia; The Republic of Zimbabwe is reestablished.
1980 — Robert Johnson establishes Black Entertainment Television with a $15,000 loan.
1983 — Guion S. Bluford, Jr. is the first African American astronaut in space.
1983 — Gloria Naylor wins an American Book Award for The Women of Brewster Place.
1983 — Alice Walker wins both an American Book Award and a Pulitzer Prize for The Color Purple.
1983 — President Shagari re-elected in Nigeria.
1983 — Another Nigerian military coup, Major-General Mohammadu Buhari becomes Head of State.
1984 — Oprah Winfrey accepts a job as host of A.M. Chicago, a morning show in the Windy City.
1984 — Archbishop Desmond Tutu of South Africa receives the Nobel Peace Prize.
1984 — Amiri Baraka’s The Autobiography of LeRoi Jones is published
1984 — Rev. Jesse Jackson is the 1st African American to make a serious run for U.S. presidency.
1985 — Another Nigerian coup, new leader Major-General Ibrahim Babangida.
1985 — Sonia Sanchez receives an American Book Award for homegirls & handgrenades.
1986 — Wole Soyinka is awarded the Nobel Prize for literature.
1986 — Dr. Cheikh Anta Diop passes on February 7th.
1987 — Dr. Benjamin S. Carson is the first to successfully separate Siamese twins joined at the head.
1987 — Ivan Van Sertima pubishes They Came Before Columbus.
1987 — Frederick D. Gregory is the first person of African ancestry to command a space shuttle.
1987 — Rita Dove receives a Pulitzer Prize for her poetry collection Thomas and Beulah.
1987 — Dr. Molefi Kete Asante publishes The Afrocentric Idea.
1987 — Reginald Lewis buys Beatrice International Foods for just under $1 billion on August 6th.
1988 — Terry McMillan wins an American Book Award for her novel Mama.
1988 — Toni Morrison receives a Pulitzer Prize for her novel Beloved.
1989 — Bill White becomes the president of Major League Basaball’s National League.
1989 — Ronald H. Brown named Chairman of the Democratic National Committee.
1990 — South African F.W. de Klerk pledges to eliminate apartheid & releases Nelson Mandela.
1990 — Namibia becomes independent following a long struggle to end South African occupation.
1990 — Charles Johnson receives a National Book Award for his novel Middle Passage. 1990 — August Wilson wins a Pulitzer Prize for his play The Piano Lesson.
1990 — George Washington Carver & Percy Julian are admitted into National Inventor’s Hall of Fame.
1990 — L. Douglas Wilder of Virginia becomes the first African American elected governor in U.S. 1990 — “In Living Color” wins an Emmy for Outstanding Comedy Series.
1991 — Dr. Frances Cress Welsing publishes The Isis Papers, The Keys to the Colors.
1992 — Dr. Mae Jemison travels into space on the space shuttle Endeavor.
1992 — A race riot sweeps across Los Angeles following the Rodney King verdict.
1992 — Derek Walcott is awarded the Nobel Prize for literature.
1992 — Anthony T. Browder publishes Nile Valley Contributions to Civilization.
1993 — Madam Walker’s mansion is purchased by a black family (Harold and Helena Doley).
1993 — Multi-party elections in Nigeria were annulled by Babangida, who shortly after resigned.
1993 — In Nigeria’s seventh coup, General Sani Abacha assumes power.
1993 — Toni Morrison wins the Nobel Prize for literature.
1993 — Arthur Ashe’s autobiography Days of Grace: A Memoir is published.
1994 — Llaila O. Afrika publishes Nutricide — The Nutritional Destruction of the Black Race.
1994 — Nelson Mandela takes office as South Africa’s first black president.
1994 — Plane crash kills leaders of both Burundi and Rwanda, unleashing ethnic killing. 1995 — Over one million men of African ancestry gather in Washington D.C. for the Million Man March.
1996 — Nigeria wins the Gold Medal in 1996 Olympic Football (Soccer).
1997 — In January Kofi Annan of Ghana becomes the seventh secretary-general of the United Nations.
1997 — Tiger Woods wins The Masters; breaking several golf records in the process.
1997 — In May Laurent Kabila is declared president of the Democratic Republic of Congo (ex-Zaire).
1997 — The first made-in-Nigeria saloon car known as Z-600 launched in the eastern city of Owerri.
1997 — Over one million women of African ancestry gather in Philadelphia for Million Woman March.
1997 — Multi-party elections begin in Nigeria.
1997 — Ivorian Freedom Neruda & Nigerian Christine Anyanwu win International Press Freedom Prize.
1997 — Uganda becomes Africa’s major coffee producer with exports exceeding 4.2 million bags.
1998 — Madam Walker becomes the subject of the United States Postal Service commemorative stamps.
1998 — Five African nations compete in the World Cup (Nigeria, Cameroon, South Africa, Morocco and Tunisia).
1998 — Nigeria’s leader, General Sani Abacha dies of a heart attack.
1998 — Thousands of Africans are killed in Kenya and Tanzania from a bomb attack.
1999 – Malcolm X becomes the subject of the United States Postal Service Stamps.
July 24, 2009 at 12:18 am |
You are reproducing material that is and has been on my website for years. I am the original author of the timeline. Please favor me a response regarding why you have used my work and did not give me proper credit. Is this a case of plagarism…?
November 5, 2008 at 2:44 pm |
wow i truly want to help the few people on this messaging board, Some of it is true Dr. Harris has perverted the doctrine unto himself but there are a group of people that still teach the doctrine in it purity. The way the old man taught it and after reading this board i realized we are the only hope of the world.
November 5, 2008 at 4:09 pm |
The only hope we have is for those who have any COMMON SENSE to read as much as possible. Get a good understanding of HISTORY and CIVILIZATION. Then you will come to realize that all these “Modern Day” Religions are nothing more than “Copies” and “PLAGARIZATIONS” of what was here before….
That goes for The Catholics, The Muslims, The Baptist, Tha Buhdist, The Hebrews, The Mormons and any other Religion………..
November 5, 2008 at 7:45 pm |
I am a VERY Educated Strong Black Woman, and I have a sense of pride in that! I have worldy knowledge and spiritual knowledge. And I have enough COMMON SENSE to know that there is a supreme being. And that this supreme being repeats himself over and over and over again–HIS story, repeats itself. Dr. Kinley even said– if it dont repeat with me… I ain’t the one! There is a pattern here, and though this school was founded in 1931–this teaching has been around [simply because of the pattern of the universe] since the creation was born.
But this timeline seems a little one-sided, you left out 99.999% of the earth’s history!
Just to address what you responded:
You are concentrating too much on this physical realm, which is why you are all kinds of messed up about this thing. I don’t need to visit Israel—and I am fully aware of what they believe to be true. I know they disagree with the gospel of IDMR— our school has conducted three ecclesiastical peace missions, and I know that they received the message. Some of them agreed and some did not. And must I stress again, that you are stuck on this physical. Yes, Yahweh declared the Jews in Israel as his people—but as it says in Romans 1:19 & 20- “for the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and supernal nature; so that they are without excuse”. So these chosen people and their journey with the savior symbolize or represent the third of angels cast out of heaven into hell—aka the body of Satan in Earth. The journey that these people took symbolizes how Yahweh brought his chosen people out of darkness, out of bondage and slavery. Which would represent people who he chose to bring out of the world to hear his gospel—weather they came into class or not [being in class has nothing to do with receiving the holy spirit or being a son of Elohim]. And while these chosen people were in the wilderness, many began to question, doubt and loose belief in him [just as you are doing, and as I did, and as the rest of the world continues to do]—even after he parted the waters of the red sea, rained down manna for 40 years, fought their every battle, gave them water, and the list goes on and on. Even after all of that, they built a golden calf and continued to deny him. This represents the inhabitants of the earth ignoring their conscience (unless it is seared in ignorance) and hearts to what Yahweh is saying to us, and creating these erroneous doctrines and not diligently seeking him [do your research before you just go along with what your mother, preacher, rabbi, priest, etc. says.]. No one said it would be easy to deny what the whole world preaches—just as it was not easy for them out in the wilderness… but it will save you from eternal damnation. And when he brought those few over to the promise land [Canaan’s land]… that is when he pours out that Holy Spirit IN YOU! And that is greater than any gift any man could ever give! HALLELU-YAH!
I UNDERSTAND THAT THE BIBLE DOES NOT GO FULLY INTO DEPTH ABOUT THE TIMELINE OF THE WORLD… but what you have to understand is: that—that entire timeline fits right into the creation [besides that evolution theory wedged in there]. Just because you don’t see it in the bible does not mean it never happened! There is not one “T” uncrossed and not one “I” left un-dotted! Not a one! Adam and Eve existed in the day of eternity by the way… you can’t date that! Not until Eve transgressed did they begin living in time.
There does not have to be physical evidence of Noah and the flood—even though there are bits and pieces. Yahweh is an awesome and powerful El—he knows just what to take and what to leave behind. I know what happened because he who caused it to be has given me understanding that you will never see, or anyone else for that matter, unless he gives it to you. A lot of you guys speak like God is limited! He is more powerful than you and I can even imagine! He can do ANYTHING! And yes, you are very wrong—but you will be better off with those things you believe than the Christian world, which is for sure!
Let’s remember—Yahweh operates on a totally different level than you and I. He is spirit and creator of all things seen and not seen. He may have done things that I cannot explain. I sure don’t have all the answers—but what I do know, I am confident and assured that it is right and true. When I say I have the holy spirit, I am not saying that I know all things—I am saying that he has given me understanding, a piece of himself~ which all of us have by the way, I am just aware of what he is doing in my life and in my day. I am him and he is me…. Its just in a very minute measure. If God is all in all—what else is there BUT him? Even Lucifer was declared a negative entity from his substance, because there is simply nothing else that is.
You cannot and never will be able to break my confidence down in this teaching. EVERYTHING that I have thrown into the face of IDMR, has truly been proven unto my satisfaction, which is the holy spirit.
Also, whoever started this blog: what is the Holy Ghost to you? Cause if it isn’t God—its Satan, those are the only “two” spirits in operation. This means, God has been getting into bodies since the foundation of the world.
And Kerred Sirom, what is your THEORY of the beginning of the creation? We can all now see that this earth was not built to last—it is disintegrating before our eyes! So it can’t possibly have always just been. Do you believe there is a spirit in a man… and if so, where does that spirit go when it leaves the body? Spirit is not natural and consequently it never dies—so where do you think the spirit goes? I am just curious to know.
**I would DIE for this teaching. Because I know where I am going and I know where my home is. It is irrefutable, you cannot disprove anything that it holds as TRUE and it is truly indestructible… because this teaching LIVES in and through me every waking moment, And I am proud to be called a son of Yahweh and be a possessor of the only true Holy Spirit. Regardless of what anyone says… on and off this website. If you think I will burn in hell… I pray for the day of the Universal Revelation when the truth is unraveled, and you can see me with my father. NO MAN can judge me—so Christians especially, practice what you preach. Keep throwing it at us people… its making us stronger and grow for the better. PEACE & LOVE in Yahshua the Messiah- he loves you and so do I.
November 5, 2008 at 8:46 pm |
Sister Candice:
I am not trying to judge you for you have the “Freedom Of choice” to believe in what you will…..So do I.
BUT……from having traveled around the globe and studyied the history of CIVILIZATION I have come to realize, should I say we have come to realize cause there are thousands of people who have come to the same realization, that the creator of all the universe from the “START” was not named Yahweh or Jehovah nor Jesus nor Khrisna, not Buhda or Alla.
And you just validated my point……You said the “Supreme Being Repeats itself over and over again”….
If you TRULY believe that then just “Saving the name Yashua” is not the only way you will see your CREATOR…..
Saving the name “Amen-Ra”, if he repaets himself like you just said will get you back to your creator, Saving the name “Alla” and “Jehovah” will get you back to your creator……Right or Wrong????
But I know the CREATOR does not change his name nor does he change his MIND……His mind is made from the beginning.
So the name he was known from the beginning, the religion that was taught from the beginning is the true teaching and name……..Like I said everything else we have today is “Man Made”………..
Peace to yuo my sister
November 5, 2008 at 10:21 pm |
This document is dated at least 5000 years before any modern day religion
Judgement of the Spirit
The ancient Egyptian Hall of Maat is where the judgment of the dead was performed in the afterlife. This was done by weighing one’s heart (conscience) against the feather of Maat (truth and justice).
Here we see Anubis leading the Dead to the scales of Maat. Anubis weights the heart against the feather to see if he is worthy of joining the ancient gods in the Fields of Reeds .
Ammut is also present; a demon is waiting to devour the Dead’s heart should he prove unworthy. Thoth stands to the right of the scales recording the results.
Having passed this test the Dead is now lead by Horus to meet the King of the dead, Osiris.
The throne of Osiris rests on a pool of water, from which a lotus flower is growing, upon the lotus stand The Four Sons of Horus Behind the throne stands Isis and her sister Nephthys.
Osiris, the king of the Underworld, under whom the blessed Dead hope to spend eternity in afterlife performs the final judgment of the Dead, to determine if the deceased was worthy to enter the realm of Osiris in the Fields of Reeds.
This stela can be found all along the Nile Valley and in the Valley of the Kings and Tombs. All this was written before the first Hebrew, Muslim, Christian or Greek.
November 9, 2008 at 1:54 am |
Can anyone why some of the IDMR and bent on worshipping Dr. Kinley instead of worshipping Yahshua the messiah.I visited a class and this really bothered me to no end.
November 12, 2008 at 3:12 pm |
Well, Kered Sirrom: I know that my words are not going to open your eyes to what I am saying… so, believe what you want & I will do the same. your “disoveries” are not things that I can put value in~ b/c those things ARE “man made”… and my trust is not in man but in Yahweh. I put my trust in Him that lives… and I know that it was him who wrote the bible to speak to his sons. So there is no need in “debating” because my mind’s made up. Love & Peace in Yahshua the messiah.
Ralph:
Ummm, where can I start…
I know exactly what u mean b/c I was bothered by the same thing for a while but Yahweh showed me that it was him in that body. So in fact, they are not worshipping the flesh [or that man] but the spirit in the man–who was yahshua the messiah. And while Yahweh was in that body–we called him Dr. Kinely~ we can put a face to Yahweh & it makes him, Yahweh, much much more concrete, real, percievable & visible in these physical minds [not the flesh--but what that spirit did in that flesh]. Don’t we say when you recieve of that spirit there is no more–YOU, right. so, if there is no more you [which was that satanic spirit]… who is it? I can answer that [lol]– Yahshua. Dr. Kinley was the fullness and most of us that do have the holy spirit do not have it in its fullness or any where near it for that matter! When Dr.Kinley is referred to as Yahweh in a body… or used interchangably, it hits home for many of us. Like: “wow, God was here… sitting right next to us”– “he was the one who set this school up and the one who was preaching and teaching”~ and you better believe he still is–these are his people and hes not going to just let them do “what they will”–hes still in charge! Dr. Al Joyner said it best [this inst verbatum]: when God is off in the sun, moon & stars its easy to just put him away when you don’t need him and call him when you do. When he is off in the heavens somewhere its easier for you to ignore him, and do what you want to do But when Yahweh has a face, and is right here in front of you–you’ve got to face the truth–literally. It forces you to face yourself and your God! When God is right in front of you… it puts that fear into your heart that makes you want to praise his name just to not end up in the lake of fire. When God [Yahweh] is right in front of you, speaking & doing… you will know that this is real and that he is real… you will know that if he overcame death, hell & the grave in one man Dr. H C Kinley & just steped right into him–he can do the same for you–HALLELUYAH! Yahshua the messiah is being worshiped weather you say Dr. Kinley, John or Paul! They were all vessels Yahweh chose to use—and if he was in that body–that was his name. just think about it. Dr. Kinley said it himself :”I am Yahweh and so are you, the difference is, I am conscious of it and you’re not”. Think about it! God is the supreme being… ruling over EVERYTHING–that means he owns everything. Why/How? well, that would have to be because he created it… and if he is the supreme being and the only one who really exists, it would have had to come from him. So– when it is put simply, everything is Yahweh and Yahweh is everything–including you and I. There will be many to reject this… but think of Matthew the 25th chapter after the two parables were given and he mentions seperating the sheep on the right [righteous] from the goat on the left [unrighteous] and he goes into explaining WHY THE SON[S] OF PERDITION DID NOT INHERIT THE KNIGDOM:
25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
25:42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
25:43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
25:44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
25:45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, INASMUCH AS YE DID IT NOT TO ONE OF THE LEAST OF THESE, YE DID IT NOT TO ME.
This last verse right here says it for you~ Yahweh is everything–including you and me… so be kind to your brother and sister~they are of him! Ask him to give you the heart to be kind and the discretion to know when not to be decieved–if ye ask, ye shall recieve! I hope you understand a little more clearly what exactly is going on here–and that they [we] are not worshipping a man– but the spirit in him, which IS Yahshua the messiah!
If you still are having a hard time…pray. Pray in sincerity, and he WILL HEAR YOU AND WILL HELP YOU! Pray for understanding… and pray that he keep you [weather in or out of class] and guide you in the right direction so you will be SURE that you HAVE RECIEVED ETERNAL LIFE OR YAHSHUA THE MESSIAH! Love in Yahweh!
<3 Candice <3
November 12, 2008 at 3:39 pm |
Also, Ralph~ We have just come to realize in IDMR that when Yahshua was walking on the earthplane back in the bible days that they did not call him Yahshua~ they referred to him as EmmanuEL [the name that Joseph and mary named him], Rabbai, master, etc. Just take some time to go back into the bible and look at the instances when people were adressing him. Never do any of them call him Yahshua~ they didn’t know his name until after pentecost when the Holy Spirit was poured out on a permanent basis. The people/vessels that Yahweh used to write the bible before pentecost—the holy spirit was in them for that time [not permanenlty]–which is why it was written: “And, Yahweh said”. Never will you find [before Yahshua died on the cross and before he gave his holy spirit out on a permanent basis] the people referring to him as Yahshua. We are privilaged to know this information.
November 12, 2008 at 6:56 pm |
keep up the good work all of you ,eye have not seen and it ok: to the will of yahwah
November 12, 2008 at 9:39 pm |
Why is it not enough for Idmr to except Yahshua the messiah as your savior.He is the one who died on the cross not Dr.Kinley.If I follow your logic then I should view all the prophets as my saviors.If you have listen to any of the tapes or manuscrips of Dr. Kinley he says that he is not the saviour.I found a good site called A Pattern of Everything.org they have a better understanding of thr truth.
November 15, 2008 at 3:31 pm |
Here is a partial list of what Dr Kinley had to say regarding the Name(s) of salvation:
that’s what you come down here for is to know something about Yahweh our Father, not old Henry C.
……From Lecture: Ever presence of Yahweh , pg 23, paragraph 4
Now I said there’s no salvation in the Honorable Elijah Mohammed! There is no salvation in Pope Paul! See and there is no salvation in Henry Clifford Kinley! And there’s no salvation in your pastor.
……From Lecture: Only name for Salvation is in Yahshua the Messiah, pg 5, Paragraph 22
Now you can’t go by the honorable Elijah Mohammed. You cannot go by Bahula. You can not go by Paul. You can not go by Peter and you can not go by Henry C. Kinley.
……From Lecture: Living the life; Love of Yahweh, page 4, Paragraph 1
DR KINLEY: God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in Henry C. Kinley
STUDENT BODY: No
DR KINLEY: You see how stupid we are. That whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
……From Lecture: Living the life; Love of Yahweh, page 7, paragraph 10
belonging to the Institute of Divine Metaphysical Research, that’s not gonna do it. You have to be in the kingdom of Yahshua. Now that’ll get it. Somebody says, ‘Well I’m following Kinley,” ? that’s not gonna get it.
……From Lecture: Living the life; Love of Yahweh, page 18, paragraph 7
Henry C. Kinley is not the teacher. Moses is not the teacher. Jeremiah was not the teacher. Paul was not the teacher. Comforter [is the teacher]
……From Lecture: Mystery of Iniquity, pg 13, paragraph 6
I want you to know that you cannot be saved in the name of Henry Clifford Kinley.
……From Lecture: Only name for salvation is in Yahshua the Messiah, pg 2, paragraph 1
Now I said there’s no salvation in the Honorable Elijah Mohammed! There is no salvation in Pope Paul! See and there is no salvation in Henry Clifford Kinley! And there’s no salvation in your pastor.
……From Lecture: Only name for salvation is in Yahshua the Messiah, pg 5, paragraph 22
Elijah Mohammed or Henry C. Kinley, we’re not the teacher! Freddy Allen and Bishop Williams, they’re not the teacher. ? I’m the little shot. ? Yahshua the Messiah is the teacher.
……From Lecture: Only name for salvation is in Yahshua the Messiah, pg 12, paragraph 7
The Honorable Elijah Mohammed or Henry C. Kinley, they’re not the teacher
……From Lecture: Truth through Dr Kinley?s vision, page 6, paragraph 1
Grace is not a work; Grace is an unmerited favor. You can’t merit salvation by something you do other than believe on Yahshua the Messiah.
……From Lecture: Carnal Ordinances, Page 3, paragraph 7
I have come in his name. I have said many times to you that it was Yahshua the Messiah that speaks through this body.
……From Lecture: 69 Convention; Discernment, Earthly name, Heavenly Name, pg 3, paragraph 1
I’ve never tried to preach nothing in, in the name of Henry C. Kinley.
……From Lecture: 69 Convention; Discernment, Earthly name, Heavenly Name, pg 3, paragraph 11
Yahweh is all in all. That’s all there is. Elohim is Yahweh, title for Him in shape and form, incorporeal too. And Yahshua is the name of Him manifested in the flesh; that’s all there is.
……From Lecture: Explanation of the Godhead, pg 15, paragraph 1
THE TRUE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM CAN ONLY BE PREACHED BY USING THE TRUE NAME OF YAHSHUA THE MESSIAH
……From Lecture: Gospel must be preached before the end comes [Pamphlet]
……See 9th aim
……See Acts 4:10-12
……See Ez 33:31
Justus Kristus is a Hindu idol, sun God, a Greek sun god, now that’s who Jesus Christ is. Now look you, don’t you start sassing me. His name is Yahshua the Messiah not Jesus Christ and there’s no other name given under heaven whereby man can be saved, saving the name of Yahshua the Messiah. Now did I get it over clear to you?
……From Lecture: Mystery of Iniquity cries Peace and Miscalculates His Coming, page 18, paragraph 1
Reader: But the Comforter, which is the Holy Spirit, which the Father will send in My Name?
Dr. Kinley: Now you see that? HE AIN?T SENDING HIM IN HENRY CLIFFORD?S NAME! He ain?t sending Him in Elijah Mohammed, He ain?t sending Him in the name of John the Baptist. He?s not sending Him in the name of Jeremiah, Ezekiel and none of the rest of ?em. He?s not sending Him in the name of Moses. And you can?t be (we just read over there in Acts of Apostles) you can?t be saved in no other name! LOOK FORWARD TO BEING LOST in the name of the honorable Elijah Mohammed! Huh?
……From Lecture: Only name for salvation is in Yahshua the Messiah, pg 11, paragraph 4
Now, if it is the same spirit in those folks that say “You can only be saved in the name of Dr. Kinley”, why has the story changed?
Ann, I hope this gets you started.
I know that this blasphemy is spreading like wildfire, but arm yourself and you can survive the storm.
November 17, 2008 at 4:57 pm |
CANDACE: A mind is a terrible thing to waste and your mind has been WASTED…….The bible says there will be many FALSE prophets that will come in the name of the creator……
But in the Book of coming forth by night and Day…………this book which has been Plagarized by those who follow the modern day bible teachings, say nothing of the sort…..WHY????
The book of “Coming Forth By Day and Night” is the source of understanding the Afterlife/Spirit Life…………If you CANDACE beleive that a person will only come to understand that this human flesh has a Spirit in it only by attending IDMR then you my SISTER are SADLY DIS-ILLUSIONED……..
November 18, 2008 at 1:46 am |
Hum – Let me see if I can sum up briefly what I have heard taught in the IDMR mainstream…
Dr. Kinley is the “new name” for Yahshua…or rather Dr. Kinley allowed us to call him (Yahshua) Dr. Kinley. Yahshua in you has been replaced repeatedly by Dr. Kinley in you both on the floor and in song. It is taught that Dr. Kinley was a greater manifestation of Yahweh-Elohim than the other manifestations…even than Yahshua the Messiah. That is measured and witnessed by the amount of “literature” we have available from each manifestation. Example… we know more about what Yahshua said than Joshua; we have more books in the Bible written by Paul than red letters said by Yahshua, and finally we have even more transcripts and understanding received by Dr. Kinley.
Yahshua (now referred to as Dr. Kinley) birthed sons at penticost (that had been in gestation in him since the foundation) Those birthed sons are what enters into you as your new soul or inner man once those demonic souls (the created creatures-the demons cast out of heaven) are cast out.
The birthed sons are the only souls being saved, in fact they were never lost. They are “saved” meaning that the birthed sons are and always have been set-aside from the beginning as the only thing Yahshua will keep. There is nothing created that will be saved in Yahshua.
There is no such thing in reality as redemption, nothing saved from death, no resurrection from the dead, no atonement.
The true YOU (the negative angel or soul cast down from heaven) must be cast out of temporary YOU (the physical body) and be replaced by new true YOU (the new birthed son) in order for YOU (?????) to be saved.
Now don’t expect me to make sense out of this. If it made sense, we would be teaching it.
November 18, 2008 at 1:58 am |
Concerning This Gospel: Isiah 28 “For precept MUST be upon percept. Line Upon line. Line upon line. Here a little there a little.” This scripture has been ringing in my head over and over lately.
We have new people coming in our school often. And the Holy Spirit in me keeps telling me they deserve the same treatment and food that was given to me from the beginning. The true teaching from the simplest to the profound Never gets old or boring. Everyday we live Blood Water and Spirit and Death Burial and Resurrection over and over. If we deny Yahshua he will deny US. It is a great and fearful thing to fall into the hands of the LIVING ELOHIM.
There are still physical schools in the United States that uphold the Original Teachings of Yahshua as taught by Dr. Henry C, Kinley. This site is proof of that. Anyone that uses this site does not have to wonder within their minds if and where the truth is being taught. There are not only students but true Ministers right at your fingertips. All you have to do is ask.
Once again this site is a Gift to us. It is for us to use it but never take advantage of.
I am not ashamed of the Gospel. It is the POWER ONTO SALVATION TO EVERYONE THAT BELIEVEs. But some will not believe
November 18, 2008 at 7:18 pm |
GEEZ………It amazes me when people put their “BELIEF in a RELIGION” above the next persons BELIEF………
Praising Yahweh is no better than praising ALLAH
Praising Yehovah is no better than praising BUDAH
Praising krishna is no better than praising JESUS
My point is this………..And I say it agian……..BEFORE THERE WAS ANY MODERN DAY RELIGION
The creator was already being worshipped….
Before ISRAEL became into EXISTANCE…….civilization was already worshipping a CREATOR thousands of years before………
Yahweh is a HEBREW name if I’m not mistaken……..So then if that is CORRECT which it is……….CAN SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME HOW CAN YAHWEH BE THE CREATOR OF ALL?????
If he changed his name then….he must have changed his RELIGION also because there were NO HEBREWS alive “PRIOR to 2000 b.c.e
So if he made these changes then you people are being lead by a “HUGE LIE”……
Its MAN that changes these things and its by men who made up these MODERN DAY RELIGIONS………….
There is an OLD saying…..I am sure some of you have heard it and it goes like this……..What was in the beginning will come back at the end.
What was “FIRST” meaning the first religion that was here will come back around……….Its written in the Bible that you read…
Those that are “First shall be LAST, and then it will come back around….
Do you people realize that the year we are in NOW was already here???? 2008 a.d was here in 2008 b.c
Time revolves in a circle……….all the years that have pass and to come have already existed….
I gave you a Timeline a few post back…….and there is no disputing that…..
But you can go right ahead and think you have something special with these modern day religions…….I assure you that when you die there will not be any YAHWEH, ALLAH, BUDAH, JESUS, KRISHNA or YEHOVAH there waiting to greet you……
I am not judging anyone………The mistake people make is when they limit themselves…….Its ok to ask questions……Its ok to read different books and get a understanding of civilization…
Because if you have NO KNOWLEDGE OF HISTORY then you are living in Vacuum.
PEACE TO YOU ALL
November 18, 2008 at 10:51 pm |
http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/prehistory/egypt/history/periods.html
November 19, 2008 at 10:42 pm |
“Did it ever occur to you that we remain ignorant of attested truth and scientifically proven facts, most particularly because we fail to make a personal, detailed investigation of important matters? This failure to investigate positively retards the progress of our understanding and knowledge in every vocation and phase of life, both physical and spiritual. Sometimes stopping and thinking for a moment over the essential things of life eliminates many regretted years of poverty, sickness, humiliation, embarrassment, sometimes death and destruction. Therefore, we should learn to pause and try to think intelligently before we finally conclude affirmatively or negatively. We should do this before an ultimatum or final decision is rendered on any secular subject. The majority of us are, to some extent, guilty of this negligence.
Dr. Henry Clifford Kinley”
Sometimes people don’t really look at things with an open heart and mind but it’s not your fault it’s because Yahweh Elohim hasn’t saw it fit to do it for you. No one at any IDMR branch school is worshiping Dr. Kinley as being a physical man but worshiping that spirit in him as being Yahshua the Messiah. Instead of calling him Yahshua the Messiah he is allowing us to us the name Dr. Kinley because the is the body that he came down in to usher in the close of this physical age. He is just allowing us to continue to call ourselves by our fleshly names just like when he poured his spirit out into or got into the bodies of Adam, Saul/Paul, Emanuel, Joshua, and also when he got into you and me or as he will do as he has promised to do. But we must know that his spirit resides in us there for you still go by your everyday physical name but you spiritually know that you are a son of Yahweh and that he is you.
I have taken many things for granted in my time and being from New Orleans Yahweh took a lot from me physically by way of hurricane Katrina but I am blessed to say that I would go through it again anytime he sees fit because he took away everything physically I held dear to me but gave me eternal life and I am ever so happy that he saw fit to let me see him how he really is and actually exist because judging from most of the comments I see on here most people are still looking at everything from a physical stand point and not focusing on the spiritual side of it. We seem to want to through out how much we traveled and how much education we have but were focusing on the wrong kind of knowledge. I’m also am a strong black college educated young woman and I know that when it comes down to my salvation all the physical knowledge in the world don’t mean nothing because he is spiritual and that’s the kind of knowledge I need and he has and continues to give me. I would like to thank him for everyday that he continues to keep me in this hell on earth so that I may continue to learn more of him and his purpose pattern and plan and I may continue to give him all the glory and praise. I for one just want to thank and praise my heavenly father for be all in all and having mercy on me not to purpose for me to inhabit the lake of fire. All praises be to Yahweh. HALLELU-YAH
November 20, 2008 at 12:04 am |
One thing I find VERY ODD with those that belong to the IDMR…….If nothing on this EARTH matter…..such as a car, a job, money, a degree, clothing, a house…..If neither of these things matter to you then why do you people still work? Why are your members buying homes and rental property? Why are your members attending school? Why are your members trying to open up businesses?
We do not worship material things…..but we know that people “NEED” cars, people “NEED” a home, people “NEED” money to take care of their children and themselves……
Aren’t you people “HYPOCRITS” buy having these things that you really dont “NEED”?……If you do not need it then give it to someone who will “APPRECIATE” that car or that home or that job……
This is the very thing that you people must realize…….you come to class and get on the floor and talk about you do not need this or that……then you walk right out of class…….get into your “LEXUS” or “BENZ” then go to your “HOME that you do not need………
The creator made it possible for you to have a healthy mind and body, he made it possible for you to have a good paying job so you can provide for your children, he made it possible for you to have that home and not be homeless……….
THE CREATOR MADE EVERYTHING……AND SINCE HE MADE EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO GIVE HIM THANKS FOR WHATEVER YOU HAVE……….
You people are playing with fire when you denounce what the CREATOR has made and what he has provided for you……….
WAKEUP
December 4, 2008 at 1:44 am |
One guy said on here that the teaching is to complicated to learn well i’m hear to say i’ve be to class my whole life and im 14 and the reason u dont understand it is because Yahweh has not givin you the understanding to learn, the only way you can get it is by coming to class and receiving
the holy spirit. Kered Sirrom and this goes for all of you if you have any questions come down and visit one of or classes we would be happy to answer.
Peace and love in Yahshua,
anonymous
December 4, 2008 at 3:48 pm |
I usually do not reply to an anonymous post especially to someone claiming to be 14 years old. You must be ashamed of what you believe in or you have doubts about it.
My question to you 14 year old? Since you claim Yahweh as your creator and since he led your people from bondage who “Supposedly” built the Pyramids Please tell me the Exact Diameter of those Pyramids that your Hebrew ancestors built??????? If you are going to build something you must have been given the “Schematic/Blueprint” of that which you are going to build.
Like I said before. The name Yahweh has nothing to do with being SAVED…….The name Yehovah, Yashua, Buhda, Alla, Krishna, Jesus and any other name that came about “AFTER” the 18th Dyanstic Era of Kemet has nothing to with you as a person being SAVED…….
I used to attend these classes for a few months. I stopped because I KNEW what was being taught had nothing to do with my SPIRIT going home to the CREATOR……
You all continue to follow Yahweh. JUST REMEMBER: that holy name bible and whatever modern day bible you read will not tell you the TRUTH….
The Talmud, The Dead Sea Scrolls will not tell you the truth……..
BECAUSE: All these GODS whom I have mentioned did not exist when Kemet was being Unified. This unification started around 5000b.c.e
If you can prove me wrong then come to my class and show US…….
December 5, 2008 at 4:23 am |
American College dictionary:
Cult: a particular system of religious worship, with reference to it rites and ceremonies. 2. an instance of an almost religious veneration for a person or thing 3. a group having an exclusive sacred ideology and an a series of rites centering around their sacred symbols.
First of all (IDMR) is a school and is not a church neither is it affiliated with any other organization. It’s a scientific research organization to show proof of the existence of Yahweh our Elohim and Yahshua the messiah whom the world calls The Lord God and JESUES Christ.
If anyone has ever had a fifth grade education you know that you do not put the word (the) in front of a proper name. You don’t say the John or the Mike. You would say the Lord the God. Because Lord and God are not names they are titles. I Cor 8:5 says, “For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)”. Now Jesus is a name but it was not the name of the savoir that walk the earth over 2000 years ago. The savior was a Jew (Hebrew) and Hebrews named their children Hebrew or Jewish Names. Yahshua means Yahweh is salvation. The bible was written in Hebrew first and translates in Greek, Latin and then in 1611 King James wrote his version. If you took the time and look up the name Jesus and found the etymology (Meaning derivation of a word). Yahshua is an transliteration or original Hebrew or Aramaic.
Now Yahweh is the the name that Moses receives at the mount. He is author of the first five books of the bible and the first to be given the name of Yahweh Exodus 3:14.
Before that they only know Yahweh by the name of El Shaddi (Almighty Provider) and was told to take that name and a rod down to Egpty and to tell Pharaoh to let his people go so they the Hebrew could serve him in the wildest of Saini.
Also, one thing you did not say about the founder of the IDMR He said, “Don’t take my word for it but make me prove it to you are satisfy.”
In order to have any understanding or to say something is not a fact show proof.
Please do your research on the name….
December 5, 2008 at 7:14 pm |
hello everyone, i would first like to state that the truth needs no defence. hopefully everyone will examine whatever evidence is put in front of them and make a conscience choice whether or not they believe it. we tend to forget the savior said in the bible he chose us, and that we didn’t choose him. the bible also says he chose our delusions too. Candace and others be carefull on blogs like this. we don’t have any need to defend Dr. Kinley, Dr. Harris or anyone else preaching the truth. Just like Yahweh told Moses concerning Aaron and Miriam, they are speaking against me not you Moses. and Yahweh himself answered the matter. I don’t like it one bit being called a cult, we know we don’t have any secret ceremonies. we know we don’t worship a man. we know the IDMR isn’t the kingdom. we know most of the post on this website don’t come close to accurately depicting truly what is taught at the IDMR. so should we argue with everyone else, and try to prove we’re right? Ofcourse not, we simply present the truth out of love and let Yahweh decide who will hear and who won’t. This school has been on three peace missions around the world and we’ve shared with the world this vision recieved by Dr. Kinley. So as far as i’m concerned, i’m more concerned with internal public relations than i am external at this point. And to Ms. Ayana S. Says. I’m sorry to hear about your mother. But please know that Dr. Kinley never taught any us to neglect our family or let anyone take advantage of us. Her issuses aren’t a result of this great gospel but i hope you still continue to love her and hopefully one day she will see the light and then you will be able to see through her the glorious effect the gospel can have on those who truly believe.
December 8, 2008 at 4:40 am |
Well, thanks for the amusement and to the few who were truly concerned. She has written us off completely since I asked her not to push her religious beliefs on my toddlers.
I just don’t want this to ruin my new family like it did my last one. Again she has made her choice and again, her blood isn’t who she chooses to be in her life. I am committed to be the opposite.
As for Ms. Candace Lane, I got a bit confused as to whom you were addressing throughout your entry. It looked like some was towards me but the rest was towards others.
I don’t need to quote scriptures to say how I feel and what my experience has been. I read the Bible (King James) for life lessons and mantras to help me make it through the day. Sounds like if I was concerned with pleasing you, I would have to read your Holy Name Bible which brings me to the point that there are many Bible remixes in this world for a reason. I am not interested in disproving anyone’s religion and I’m offended at being called a blasphemer but opinions are like assholes and everyone has them. This is America.
My brother and sister and I have recently talked amongst ourselves about others in class and we do see that our “mother” has an extreme issue. As for loving her, if you knew her before you would see that she isn’t in that body so there’s nothing to love.
I’m not some little girl who is pouting in the corner, I happen to be grown. I sat in class for 3 years of my teenage life and I decided it wasn’t for me. My little brother put it best explaining that everyone needs something in this world to make themselves feel good and for some, that’s religion. I guess our mom didn’t like herself and when a man she wanted told her she had to be in class, she did it. Trust me, she IS a believer! She has bet her whole family on this doctrine!
The best thing for me that has come out of this is that I am a strong and independent woman. No human being walking this earth (in the flesh) rules me and they never will.
Again thank you those who had kind words about our loss. I recently got married (congrats to me) and someone else’s mother was there for me so I was ok.
December 8, 2008 at 5:16 am |
…and by the way, if I’m ignorant of anything, it’s of finding a mother in a Christian church who doesn’t have any pictures of her children up anymore because she has replaced them all with Dr. Kinley’s pictures.
My initial response was written as I cried my eyes out that night waiting for my mother to come home. You, my dear Ms. Lane are ignorant of what that feels like. I can look in the Quran and any version of the Bible you want and find that the way she acts isn’t right but obviously I don’t need to! Can you give me a scripture telling me what I should do? If you are upset, you need to talk to your brethren about how they are depicting your almighty class. That’s the reason I wrote. We want help.
I am knocking on 30 years old my dear and I happen to be educated as well. I even thought I loved class at one time and like you, my heart was enflamed when I had to talk to unbelievers. So I DO know something about class. If you truly believed that Yahweh has already chosen his children, you wouldn’t get upset because you know that his will prevails. Also, nobody is promised tomorrow and therefore anyone’s world can end anyday. I never said that the world wouldn’t end, I simply don’t feel like she should not be taking care of herself or putting her job in danger while she is counting down the days. Are you going to take her in when she loses her job? Will your class? Still, no need to waste time even typing. You weren’t asking me, you were telling me how I felt. You are wrong.
Mr. Tim, I logged on to this site tonite because I was thinking about my mom (I’m supposed to get up for work in 3 hours). I miss her and can’t even talk to her. I keep thinking that anyday now she’s going to be gone and she will leave this Earth with us still not talking. Please put it out in class to start doing right. She will only do anything that is heard in class. I know she listens to Burbank Mitchell (if he’s still around). Just PLEASE get someone who is like you to visit her class. I am not trying to compete or get her out of the IDMR I just want her to be a mother and a grandmother sometimes. I guess I do still love her.
December 8, 2008 at 3:46 pm |
Mrs. A. S.,
I’m truly sorry for the things your mother has put you through. I can tell you truly love your mother and i’m sorry she doesn’t seem to realize that believing in Yahshua the Messiah doesn’t mean you have isolate your family that isn’t in class. I know people that have spouses that aren’t in class and they get along just fine. I know people that have children that aren’t in class and they’re at every graduation, family function, and holiday with their family. I don’t know if i know your mother or not. But if I ever run across her I promise i’d do my very best to encourage her to reach our to her family because wether she knows it or not, Yahweh is going to hold us accountable for what we do in these physical bodies, and if we are to be witnesses of the heavenly family, then that should be demonstrated thru the physical. Congrats on your new marriage and know that even thou your relationship with your mother has been strained because of her misunderstanding of what this teaching is all about, doesn’t mean that one day she won’t come into a more perfect understanding and then not only will you get your mother back but she’ll have a light in her that will be a source of strength, stability, and love that will eluminate through your entire family like it has my family. The things i’ve come to understand have not only been a source of strength for my family that comes to class but also a source of strength and love for those who don’t. I had hoped that you visted this blog again. Because i wans’t interested in any of the comments from those who called themselves shooting down this great gospel neither am i interested in trying to debate its merits. But whenever i see someone who has a genuine problem, without guile, malice, or prejudice, thats the one i want to reach out to. I know advice is rarely asked for but often given, but if you are open to any please try this. Write your mother a letter and try not to blame her for what she has done or isn’t doing but tell her about the things she has done that you appreciated and miss about her. Don’t tell her how hurt you are because that may put her on the defensive. I’m hoping that in her conscience the instinctive love she has for her offspring may overcome any misconceptions she has about knowing her creator. Love overcomes a multitude of sins. My heart, and my prayers are with both of you. Peace in Yahshua
December 8, 2008 at 3:52 pm |
Ayana S.
I sympathize with you. I ‘m not tryig to tell anyone what to believe. You did the right thing by not attending anymore of those classes. If the members of IDMR truly believe in scripture then they should know the scripture that says:
Do Not Add Nothing To it and Do Not Take Anything From It.
Dr. Kinley tried to rewrite the bible in his book called Yahweh-Elohim. What Blasphemy.
If it did not feel right to you Ayana do not feel guilty. You were moved away from it for a reason.
PEACE…….
December 10, 2008 at 12:30 am |
There is a lot of things this group don’t understand about the bible like the Word of God not being the bible AND The list can go on and on a true believer must believe in the resurrection of the Messiah/Christ………………….. and they don’t, so God please have mercy on them Cause Kinley has took them just where he is and that’s sad see his is their real messiah and he is still in the grave………… alone!
If the body was not raised, then what is? Remember what is dead is raised. Where is his body? Is it still in the grave if it was not raised? Is there such a thing as a spirit resurrection? Of course not. But IDMR agrees with the Jehovah’s Witness cult that he was not raised physically.
Let Scripture answer their own position. Matt 27:52-53: “and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and were seen by many.”
In Luke 24:39 Jesus said “I am not a spirit but I have FLESH and bones. He had the same scars in His hands and feet proving he did indeed raise His body from the grave (John 2:19-22). The word for Flesh is the same word that John uses “and the word became FLESH.” (sarki in Greek). Jesus’ grave was empty. What IDMR is teaching is that Jesus said instead “I am a spirit but I have not flesh and bones.” This they twist to their own destruction, as it destroys the very Gospel that can save them. For if there is no physical resurrection, there is no resurrection at all.
Just as Job prophesied “though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh I shall see God.” (Job.19:25-27) The resurrection has always been the hope of the Jews. They come to this conclusion because of the bent on the spiritual only and disregard any physical ordinances.
In Hosea 13:14: “I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death. “It is the body that dies and goes in the grave, it is the body that is raised that makes it a resurrection.
Acts 26:22-23: “Therefore, having obtained help from God, to this day I stand, witnessing both to small and great, saying no other things than those which the prophets and Moses said would come–”that the Christ would suffer, that He would be the first to rise from the dead,”
I have a few family members in this group, and all i can say and do is pray for them,In the name of Jesus Christ my savior that is the sweetest name i know!
December 11, 2008 at 11:12 pm |
To all of you that are on the pro side of the I.D.M.R. and class, good for you not to be forsaken by Yahweh’s love for us. I live in an area where there is no class and I miss the lectures in my Syracuse class by Dean Ric T. I have strong belief in the I.D.M.R. anyone that was CHOSEN for this teaching are the fortunate ones, and we know who we are, with great and divine guidance from Yahweh through his son Yahshua. You have to be invited by Yahweh through his mercy to get the divine truth. Its been given to me and I ‘m ever so thankful.
( DEVINE, for those that don’t understand, Dr. Kinley taught divinely. He was given a DIVINE vision by Yahweh Elohim allowing us to be in the Kingdom of Yahshua the Messiah … It seems this part has been left out. Clear your ignorance and know what Doc taught before you go spouting at the mouth.)
Thankfully, Dr. Kinley went on a mission to see the Pope while I was still in Catholic grade school and, I was taught the TRUE names, Yahweh, Elohim and Yahshua in my last year of religious instructions class at St. Rose in No. Syracuse, N. Y.. See, Doc told the Pope the Catholic Church is teaching a lie. The devil has to shown to himself.
Go to class if you dare,…. Find the truth. Hope you can grasp the concepts and precepts. That’s what Doc taught. “Don’t believe me or any man.” Check it for yourself. A man can lie to you. DIVNE intervention is the key here. Who else can say that they were taught divinely ? Mercy is what saves you and Yahweh is the mercy. Yahshua is the salvation. He came in his fathers name. Yahweh Yahshua. The first part of the name. Not as we are brought in.We come in our fathers last name,in America or anywhere else. People didn’t have last names back in the Hebrew religion. They came in they ‘re fathers name.
Sorry to anyone that calls the Institute a cult. You are missing out. If what you believe is ‘nt divinely given, there is no truth in it. Search your belief for the truth and life, light, sunshine. Something that is real…… Not darkness. Satan is the darkness of this world fouling up the great teachings of Yahweh Elohim and Yahshua.
Yahweh Elohim chose, and gave Dr. Kinley a DIVINE vision. Just as Moses, John on the Isle of Patmos, and everyone in between were given divine visions. Read your bible about the others that were given divine instructions.Yahweh Elohim is not a man. He IS spirit. Someone in the flesh had to be instructed how to show us what he wants taught. That’s what Doc told us ” Forget the man I am. ” It could have been anyone. Moses was just tending sheep, ….Remember…. Get your facts straight on Doctor Kinley before you down who and what he was. Yes there is corruption in everything today. Even those that taught me, preached that corruption would come even into the I.D.M.R. They were right, and they ‘re with the split teaching the lie and following the perverse way that Dr. Kinley didn’t teach. Dr. Kinley said there would be a great divide and there is. Satan is everywhere. He has the rest of the world, he wants us all, just as Yahweh who loves us, wants all his own to come back to him in spirit, truth, and life, like his Son…. Yahshua…. Satan can’t have me.
Peace and Love in Yahshua the Messiah
December 12, 2008 at 12:50 am |
The tv broadcasts were so interesting, once I did go to a lecture in San Diego. A long time ago I took the class by mail, but I see the official IDMR website phased that out last October. I really loved the tv lectures.
From everything I learned about IDMR, I believe it.
December 12, 2008 at 12:53 am |
All of the mail order classes that I took had questions ABOUT the Bible, and the homework was to look up the verses and study them, mail back the answers. Someone graded them and mailed them back to me. It was such a good thing.
I would be happy to post the questions here so the people who are curious could learn what IDMR teaches. I have all ten lessons in a binder, with my answers and the corrections. I bought pamphlets and literature from the website a long time ago.
Does anyone want me to post Lesson One?
December 12, 2008 at 4:14 pm |
You know you in trouble when your EYES and HEART are so closed not open to read beyond what is taught in the BIBLE. I can point out hundreds of LIES and DECEPTION in the HOLY NAME BIBLE from the OLD TESTAMENT on up to the NEW TESTAMENT. But I already proven my case but I have one last question????
When CAIN was BANISHED from the garden. Did he or did he not went on to marry a women?????
If so, CAN SOMEONE PLEASE GIVE AN ACCURATE EXPLANATION AS TO WERE DID THIS WOMEN COME FROM SINCE THEIR IS NO OTHER MENTION OF ANY OTHER PEOPLE BEING AROUND WHEN ADAM/EVE WAS MADE????
Peace in the name of Amen-Ra
December 16, 2008 at 1:26 pm |
Class is the best thing I have ever been to.I was born amd raised in class and nothing you say or anybody out there can tell me that its not the truth.If you are so caught up on if we update our website you miss the whole point.Yahweh is real and its manifisted everyday.
December 17, 2008 at 4:35 am |
First of all you must know that Moses wrote the first five books of the bible From Genesis to Deuteronomy. The book of Genesis was taken out of the book Exodus. Moses is having a Vision on mount Sinai of the creation of which Yahweh has give him.
Genesis chapter 5: And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters.
So Yahweh made Adam from the dust of the ground and Eve was take from Adam and if you do a researcher Scientists today will say that all mankind can be trance to one man and one woman. So Cain married a Daughter of Adam and Eve.
And just to add with a little more information about the last line of your state “Peace in the name of Amen-Ra”
[syn: Amen-Ra, Amon-Ra]
sun god; supreme god of the universe in whom Amen and Ra
were combined; principal deity during Theban supremacy
Amen, Amon
a primeval personification of air and breath; worshipped
especially at Thebes [syn: Amen, Amon]
Ra
ancient hawk-headed Egyptian sun god; a universal creator
Your creator is spirit he is all and all. I dont worship a beast a thing or receive blessing of thanksgiving by a sungod with a hawk-headed beast.
Yahweh your Elohim though his Son Yahshua who is the savior.
December 17, 2008 at 3:27 pm |
Edrina:
You still have yet to answer my question. Where in the BIBLE it says that their were people here before Adam/Eve? If that women whom CAIN married came from Adam/Eve why was it not mentioned? And If that is so then CAIN married his SISTER……And the same BIBLE you quote from teaches against INCEST……..
As to your reference about the SUPREME CREATOR “Amen-Ra”, whom was praised before any HEBREW was born. If you know anything about the history of creation you should know that the name “MOSES” is NOT a HEBREW NAME. “Moses” came from the name “MOSHE” which is Egyptian. Have you ever heard of the name “Tuthmoses” and “Ahmoses”??? These names are from Kings that ruled in Kemet/Egypt before your prophet “Moses” was BORN…
History is best qualified to reward ALL research.
The Ethiopians and the people of Kemet/Egypt, Identified with nature. Since the “CREATOR” made everything in the universe they saw and IDENTIFIED the creator in everything in the universe……They did not pray to animals or the SUN as you would ASSUME……
To make it simple as possible for you to understand the SUN is just a personification of the CREATOR……..If you think about it, there is only 2 things in the UNIVERSE that can give life and take life.
Without the SUN life as we know will cease to exist……Without the creator our spiritual existance will cease…
Peace in the name of Amen-Ra
December 17, 2008 at 8:28 pm |
Kered,
During Anicent Eyght there were gods many and lords manys and each god had a name and each lord had a name also. They Anicent Eyght worship everything from the water to the bug that was on the ground. Sorry to say again my major was Ancient African History which includes Eypgt Here are some of there name:
Egypt Gods Name Appearance
Sun Ra head of falcon and sun disk
Music Hathor horns of cow and sun disk
Destruction Sekhmet head of lion
Sky Nut blue with golden stars
Earth Geb colour of plants and Nile mud
Dead Osiris dressed in white with crook and flail
Desert Seth animal head with long curved snout
Pharoah Horus head of hawk and crown of Egypt
Magic Isis throne on head or holding baby
Wisdom Thoth head of ibis
Embalming Anubis head of jackal
Justice Ma’at feather in her hair
Creation Amun crowned with feathers
Cats Bastet head of cat
Gensis 1:3 And Elohim said, let there be light: and there was light. This light was the light of all life. This light which in Gensis 1:3 was before the sun was ever made. Gensis 1:16 And Elohim made two great lights; (Sun) the greater light to rule the day, (moon)and the lesser light to rule the night: he made stars also.
You must understand that in the purpose of Yahweh all thing are good. Even your miss understanding of what the purpose of Yahweh is. Yahweh is spirt he is the source the substance of all things. Before the Sun the moon the earth you or I were Yahweh was. You breath Yah Weh you don’t breath Amen-Ra. The aminals the waves in the sea and the ocean prasie Yahweh. Your heart beat the count of two. Not the beat of three. You have inhale and exhale of your own breath. Your foot steps have a beat of two. Ther is a up and down moment when you walk. The trees praise Yahweh. Look at the hands and see those Y’s go though out your hands. Your veins are Y’s. That is not happen stands that things are so.
When you go to a school or teacher that dosenot have a correct foundation or understanding of the purpose of Yahweh. Its is corrupted and you look at the person not Yahweh for understanding of all things.
Sorry to correct you again Moses was hide by his mother for three months all Hebrew children are circumcised. So when the Pharaoh daughter came to the river to bathe herself because she was without child Exodus 2: 1-6, She said, “this is a one of the Hebrews children” How does she know this because the foreskin of the male penis is missing Egypt did not circumcised there children this is how she knew that He was a Hebrew.
Meaning, origin and etymology of the name Moses The name Moses is the Greek/Latin version of the original Mosheh. Moses is a Levite, brother of Aaron and Miriam. Because his mother Jochebed (a daughter of Levi) was the aunt of his father Amram, Moses was both a grandson and a great-grandson of Levi (Ex 6:20). (Actually, there are some generations missing because between Levi and Moses there are about four centuries). Moses is also often considered the author of the Torah and is the first leader of Israel.
The etymology and original meaning of the name Moses have been long disputed. Jones derives it from the Egyptian word for water, mo, and the verb to save out of water, `uses’. BDB relates it to the Egyptian word mes, mesu, meaning child, son.
Then, of course, there is the Hebrew verb (masha 1253), which is identical to the name save for the Masoretic additions. It means draw, draw out and is used only two times in Scriptures: 2 Sam 22:17 in a Psalm of David that was copied into the Psalter as Psalm 18 (see verse 16), “He drew me out of many waters”. The other occurrence of the verb is in Ex 2:10, where Moses is named, “And she named him Moses, and said, “Because I drew him out of the water”.”
Since it is highly unlikely that the Egyptian princess was speaking Hebrew when she said it, Moses was probably known by the Egyptian word for Draw Out. Then, when he began to play a role in a Hebrew text, his name must have been subsequently translated into Hebrew.
TWOTOT devotes an article to the name Moses and notes that this name is a ‘Qal active participle’ of the verb masha, and concludes that the name Moses doesn’t mean He Who Was Drawn Out, but rather He Who Draws Out. ‘The name is explained not because Moses is derived from masha but because it resembles it in sound’ (TWOTOT ). TWOTOT further states that the consensus today is that Moses has to do with the Egyptian word for child (as BDB reports).
This in turn suggests that the emphasis in Exodus 2:10 should not be placed on the verb drew – ‘because I drew him out of the water’ – but on the princess who claims right to adopt and name Moses because she drew him out: And she named him because she drew him out of the water.
That Moses went on to become the founder of an independent Israel, and author of a text that contained unprecedented insights in the nature of man, may have reminded a Hebrew audience of the third creation day, when dry land came forth from the waters. To that audience, the name Moses means He Who Extracts; He Who Draws Out Of The Waters.
And wrote all this to say Before your god “Amen-Ra” was. Yahweh is the first and the last of all things you cant get outside of Yahweh that is why Yahweh destroyed (Rameses Pharoah) Egypt and there many gods. To show his power Exodus14: 17-18 And i, behold, I will harden the hearts of the Egyptians, and they shall follow them: and I well get Me Honour upon Pharaoh, and upon al his host, upon his chariots, and upon his horsemen. And the Egyptians shall know that I am Yahweh, when I have gotten Me honour upon Pharaoh upon his chariots and upon his horsemen.
December 17, 2008 at 9:14 pm |
One more thing I would like to say if neither the Bible nor any Egyptians history was known You couldn’t prove the existents of Amen-Ra. But with out the bible Yahweh is always proven. Yahweh is even in Native American History before the Pilgrim set forth on Plymouth Rock.
Native American Indian Keystone YHWH:
YeHeraWaHeha meaning: He who creates
YoHeHaWavoHe: First and Last
YeHeHaWaHeHa: I Am… Your Father
YeHeHaWaHeHa: I am… A Feather of Fly
YoHeHaWavotte: I am… Your Buckler
I Yahweh am all these thing I forum the light and create darkness I Yahweh am all these things. You, I the animals men on the corner, the house the trees, this and that person and those things that you like and don’t like. Yahweh is spirit and everything seen and unseen is spirit materialize.
December 17, 2008 at 10:02 pm |
Edrina:
You have yet to answer my question about CAIN and were did that women come from. But its obvious you cant answer it. You can quote the bible really well but I would lay my head on the chopping block that you have NO IDEA were that BIBLE you read came from.
I have been to the Cairo Museum and the LONDON Museum.
I have been to the valley of the KINGS. I have seen the GIZA Pyramids with my on EYES. I have been to ROME and GREECE……
You have no idea that the GREEKS were TAUGHT by the people of KEMET/EGYPT……If you would read some GREEK Literature you would see. Read “HOMER” and “PLATO”….. Read the IDIOSY and the ODYSSEY….
Even “Sigmund Freud” admits in his BOOK “MOSES and MONOTHEISM” that the HEBREWS “Copied and PLAGARIZED” what the people of KEMET/EGYPT had already ESTABLISHED…..Did you know that Sigmund Freud practised “JUDAISM”????…..Yes he was high up in the RANKS so you know he had some history of the HEBREWS…
I can prove what I am telling you. The only thing you have proven is whats in the BIBLE and you should know that the BIBLE is full of 95% LIES……CONTRADICTIONS
Peace in the name of Amen-Ra
December 18, 2008 at 12:41 am |
Cain married the Daughter of Adam and Eve you did not read what I wrote. There was no human life on this earth before Adam and Eve. And Yahweh did not go back to earth to make Cain a wife that was his sister.
You said that you are educate now When I went to School in science class 5th grade If the population only had life one Male and One female Human life it is possible to repopulate the earth.
Now Adam and Eve were created in the Day of Yahweh. Which meaning there was no time as you and I think of time? They were in the Day of Eternity. There is no time in Yahweh since he is eternity him self. Yahweh made time for us. Time began when Adam transgression of law in the garden.
Primal mother Eve, primal father Adam
In the mid-eighties geneticist Allan Wilson from the University of California determined where the first people came from with the help of mitochondrial DNA. The comparison of this part of the genome led to the recognition that the variety of DNA variants in women of African origin is twice as wide as that of the female population elsewhere. Due to the fact that the mutations occur at regular intervals, he concluded that Homo sapiens sapiens lived twice as long in Africa as in other parts of the world.
Researchers now assume that all people are related to one single woman: the “mitochondrial Eve”. She lived approximately 150,000 years ago in Africa and was certainly not the only woman of that time. However, analysis of our genes shows that the whole of humanity descends from this woman via an unbroken chain of mothers. By analogy to mitochondria Eve, there exists “Y chromosome Adam”, the primal father of all of us. He also came from Africa. Increasingly precise DNA studies have repeatedly confirmed this chapter of our history: all people of the world, no matter what skin colour, originate from African hunter-gatherers.
Now this is what a scientist prospective is: they wrote this on DNA
Since you have done all that great travel in your life explain to me one thing why is it that what ever country you go to what ever language you speak why is it that the name of Yahweh is heard when you breath? You inhale Yah and exhale Weh? Why is it when a baby comes in the world it yell out Yah….. Why is it when your last breath on this physical earth is Weh? Why is it Y chromosome? Explain these things Why can you breath your Creator name Amen-Ra. If you tried you have an asthma attack. Believe I tried to breath the name Amen-Ra, Lord God Jesus and Baal and even my own there is no life in any. Yah breathing in is a fresh smile to my lungs and Weh is the great release.
That’s why I said let but aside the bible things that are made by man or women hands. Our bodies the earth, universe are not made with our hands and show me Amen-Ra by these things. Like your body, If Amen-Ra is the Creator of Heaven and earth couldn’t you explain his foot print on my body and the earth plain?
Also, If you don’t know the correct name to placement to use Yes it may seem that Way. Again Yahweh is (Lord) Elohim is (God) and the Yahshua is (Jesus). The CONTRADICTIONS is only because the lacks understanding the purpose of Yahweh. I did not make the world nor did you make your own body. And Yahweh has put his mark on what he has made.
And also, who back there before time was before the great bang as some scientists belief what cause that Whats the flicker of life that’s the question? That life source is Yahweh sorry that you travel all the round world to think that because a Ancient gods and lords were around and built some physical things doesn’t make them creator I understand Africa culture I know were I come from I Know where I going. There was only one Ancients Pharoah that believe in one Supreme deity and after his death he was erase from Egypt history. And just for myself, I could not believe that Amen-Ra is my maker. (Ra-Head of falcon and sun disk) or A men
Another thing is Amen-Ra belief: Now every last discovery in Egyptians history states and talks about the after life and in the tombs of the pharaohs were not there found gold, sliver and jewels taken even some priest. Why because they believe in the physical. NOT Spirit. They Ancient Egypt believe that they would take that with them in the afterlife. Only thing happen other nation came and rob them and put it in Museum. Yahweh is spirit.
December 19, 2008 at 3:12 pm |
Edrina:
Are you serious????? When I “Inhale” I do not hear Yah nor do I hear Weh when i “Exhale”…..
I can position my “Tongue” to produce “ANY” sound when I Inhale or Exhale…….
The IDMR has blinded you…….I feel sorry for people like you cause you are being guided by “Blind Faith”…….
You have no idea of History and Civilization and where all these Religious Factions come from…….
Edrina PLEASE GIVE ME THE CHAPTER AND VERSE WHERE IT SAID ADAM/EVE HAD A DAUGHTER “PRIOR” TO CAIN AND ABEL and then again if he married his “SISTER” he is in violation of the BIBLE which you are “QUOTING” from…..AM I CORRECT??????????
I gave you Link after Link to back up what I am telling you…..the only thing you have is the “Holy Name Bible”…….and I gave you a Chronology of that and where it came from……
I gave you a time-line of Civilization…You nor your Leaders Of IDMR can dispute what I have given…..
If there were no time and place for Adam/Eve then how in the world can you say with a straight face that story is valid???? PLEASE WAKE UP….
The BIBLE you “QUOTE ” says “EVERTHING” has a TIME AND PLACE….AM I RIGHT AGIAN????????? So you are “Contradicting what you Believe in…….My oh My.
With all this Evidence out here in the world people like you are still believing in ADAM/EVE……If you “CAN NOT” put a date/time/place on something and you still believe it to be “TRUE”……then I have some OCEAN front PROPERTY I would like to sell you in the Mojave Desert….
I gave you a link with “ALL” the contradiction in the BIBLE that you nor Dr. Kinley nor Dr. Harris nor Dr. Bryant can DENY…….
But stay as you wish cause I am not here to change your belief……but like I said in an earlier post……WHEN YOU DIE YOU WILL “NOT” SEE YAHWEH nor YAHSHUA cause they had not yet been “Made Up” by the HEBREWS cause the HEBREWS did not exist in 5000 b.c.e. the GREEKS nor ROMANS nor the MUSLIMS existed then and ITS A PROVEN FACT….
PEACE IN THE NAME OF THE ALMIGHTY AMEN-RA…..
December 19, 2008 at 4:11 pm |
A chronology of the bilbe and creation………Enjoy
Its time to WAKE UP…..The Physical Slavery has ended but the “Mental Slavery” is stronger than ever………..Do not be afraid to ask questions…..Do not be afraid of finding out that which you THOUGHT was the truth in YAHWEH was only a made up story……
From Genesis to Revelations is a PLAGARIZATION from the “Book of coming Forth by Day”………Known today as the “Book of the Dead”….
December 28, 2008 at 5:17 am |
Again I say to all reader and bloger Yahweh is spirit: He is the Source the Substance the limit and bounds of everything. (Things that are seen on unseen.) Yahweh in his pure Spirit state is incomprehensible Which means that we with are natural 5 senses can not understand him in PURE SPIRIT STATE.
Yahweh whom the world calls LORD took on a shape and a Forum as ELOHIM whom the world calls GOD then later walk the earth as YAHSHUA the MESSIAH whom the world calls Jesus Christ.
Now Yahweh Elohim can be seen in Vision (dream) and understood in Revelation. We all are part taker of Yahweh or have a Vision and Revelation that is give by Yahweh to each and everyone of us. Now Yahweh can send you a strong delusion (No understanding) of his Purpose, Pattern and Plan of Yahweh OR Yahweh can send you the understanding of Yahweh Purpose Pattern or Plan.
Now I want all bloger who believe or disagree with what I say to take a small test to examine ourselves in what we believe is TRUTH or a LIE.
If your creator made us wouldn’t he be able to see him in you around you at all times?
Some say that the Bible is error some say that Yahweh is totally made up.
I can only explain to you how I became too an understanding of my creator of the heavens and the earth. The BREATH OF LIFE is give to all. And each one us has a body. By examine your on body you can see YAHWEH stamp on you.
Without distress take the time and close your mouth and breath natural so. The rhythm your breath is the beat of One-inhale and One-exhale. WE all walk Left-Right or Right-Left with a two-step moment. Your heart beat with a count of a bump a bump. Now this is a pattern Why is it a pattern because Yahweh declares so. If we examine Why? With an open heart and mind to know our creator as he really is.
Then Yahweh will open our eyes to the true and will send you understanding of him.
Now let go back to that stamp I was talking about and How our creator has place on his creature his likeness and image. See Yahweh place Y right with in us. Your veins stretch our into Y’s. Take a look at the palms of your hands Why is it Y’s.
Our Yahweh doesn’t make it so complex that you can understand him in a simple way. You do have travel all around the world fine Your Creator he is right with you and I. Its simple by just looking out you window and LOOKING at some as those TREES LOOK at a Trunk and as it branches off IT STANDS as a Y then the branch and its limbs stretches onward in Y’s. Commons Simple learn things just in school tells us that when you made some thing you declare it as yours by label it or Placing your name on it.
Example: Henry Ford had a Vision and Revelation, which was call at one time the Horseless Carriage. The Wright Brothers had a Vision and Revelation of Man power Fly machine. If you were back during any of those time you would had thought these things made were crazy. But look That Vision (idea) and Revelation (understand) became a fact. And when Henry Ford made that Horseless Carriage He Henry Ford but His name on it FORD… Just as you’re Creator did PLACE his name on Us.
Yahweh says let every creature small and great will bear this witness.
Now I said that to say this because I know that a person may say I don’t believe that I man or woman can have a vision or a revelation. Now Moses, In Exodus is having a Vision of Heaven and Earth give to him by Yahweh our Elohim in the Wildness of Sinai on Mt Sinai. On the Mt Yahweh Shows him in a vision the 7 days of creation The Transgressions of Adam and Eve The Tabernacle Pattern to the end of all things. So again Moses wrote the first 5 books of the bible. So when you read you must understand that this is a vision give to him by Yahweh.
Now that comes too that question which I already had answer About Adam and Eve. Moses saw in a vision while in the Wildness Sinai on the Mt Yahweh Elohim made Adam from the dust of ground and breath into his nostril the breath of life. Then he saw Yahweh Elohim take the Rib (tsela) and the Womb from Adam. And call her Woman. A woman is just a Man with a womb.
Heb., Tsela Translate as “chamber” and twice as “rib”
Womb-man- See The Jewish Encyclopedia article Adam Kadmon (‘Er18 a, Gen R VIII)
Also, remember what I said, You are reading Moses vision not a version. So Moses sees the Transgression in the Garden of Eden and the birth of Cain, “And the man Knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten A MAN, even Yahweh. (Gens 4:1) Now that were you word amen comes form your believe in A MAN. (AMAN-Ra)
Now Moses Just don’t see Just Cain but whole generations “ And the days of Adam after had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and He begat sons and daughters: And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years; and he died. Gen 5:3-5
It another thing you must understand the book if Genesis was take out of the book of Exodus. Before there is a beginning of life there must come exit of something.
1.Your main forces are that Yahweh is made up if So why would your THE ALL MIGHT AMEN-RA put Yahwehs his Y’s though out our bodies when his name is differ.
2.Why do WE ask the Question Y?
3.And the Book of Dead Talks about many gods and goddness IF You can only come from the seed of one mother and one father and only can be born though one women womb. Why does your god need help with all those other gods.
Again Yahweh Elohim Yahshua in One not three not many gods Yahweh (pure spirit) then took on Shape and forum as Yahweh-Elohim (the Word) then Yahweh Elohim came into this world as Yahshua the Messiah in the flesh. One Spirit but two manfestaion of one spirit. There are NO Co Partner with Yahweh made any determation.
Example: (H2O) WATER: Water in is pure state GAS can not be seen AIR. WATER has to break it self down to be comprehend it LIQUID. You can not hold Liquid (H2O) in this state but it can take on any shape and fourm it desire. You put in a clear glass it take on that shape and its clear. Water (H2O) breaks itself down into a SOLID ICE in this state at can be handle examine and Truly see for what it is. Now no matter what state Water shows itself in it is still H2O. ONE Water not many waters.
1.Now Show me Were Your IN THE NAME OF THE ALMIGHTY AMEN-RA….. IS…PLEASE DO.
Again for ALL blogers and reader Do Read the Book of the Dead and Research Egyptology History for yourself. To see if AMEN-RA Histroy is true POLYTHEISM the worship of many gods and goddness. Or was it The truth MONTHEIS the worship of one creator.
From myself I say again there ONLY Has Been One PHOAROH that belief in One supreme being Akhenaten the sun god ATEN all the others before him and after him believe in many gods and goddess.
Again Yahweh is Spirit You must worship Yahweh in Spirit and in Truth. There can only be ONE CREATOR. I ONLY CAME FROM One SEED AND ONE EGG. ONE Mother One Father I worship One Creator Of Heaven and earth.
Keep Bloging but read the Whole Blog before you say I DID NOT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
I ANSWER The Question of Were CAIN got his wife that was his sister Yahweh made that WAY. YOU Can excepted or rejected. Again Yahweh did not go back into Adam go get another rib or womb. There was only one Wife EVE and the mother of all..
And One more note The LAW Which is in Exodus Which give to Moses physical Law which contain the TEN Commandant and 603 other ordinances.
The Commandant Give to Adam and Eve 1 is to be fruitful and multiply 2. But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. Read Genesis
December 29, 2008 at 3:07 pm |
Edrina:
All I can say to you is I hope you WAKE UP!!!!!! You continue to close your eyes to FACTS:
There is a HUGE difference between TRUTH and BELIEF……….
TRUTH==In agreement with Fact, correct, accurate, straight, level, conformed to the “ORIGINAL” standard, sincerity, integrity and “EVIDENCE”
BELIEF==A conviction that something is true without “FACTS”, exists or is right. An opinion to ones “BEST” knowledge…..
If in the year 5000 b.c.e the name of the CREATOR was NOT Yahweh then it certainly is NOT Yahweh NOW……..If the name of the creator was Yahweh we would have FACTS or EVIDENCE of it. The creator that was worshipped in the year 5000 b.c.e was AMEN-RA.
The name Yahweh is Hebrew and I already proven to you that there was “NO” Hebrews living PRIOR to the year 2000 b.c.e……..Since Yahweh is a Hebrew GOD it is VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE for Yahweh to be the ccreator of ALL………
You keep mentioning the fact that the people of Kemet worshipped many GODS…..If you had any understanding of the culture of Kemet you would realize that those people only worshipped “ONE GOD” and that was “AMEN-RA”……..They associated the creators “ESSENCE” in all things because the creator made all things so they saw the creator everywhere…….Hence the word Omniessence………
Peace in the name AMEN-RA
December 29, 2008 at 3:10 pm |
I was a member of the IDMR for a long, long time. Emphasis on WAS.
The IDMR claims to be a “religious and scientific research organization”. However, any true research . . . other than reading the Bible and the Institutes’ own literature, is discouraged. Dr. Robert Harris, the current leader of the group, has publicly stated that “everything you need to be saved has already been revealed” & therefore research is pointless. For truth’s sake, the IDMR should stop posturing otherwise . . .
The IDMR denies science when it is inconvenient or conflicts with their teachings. For example, they deny the historicity of the fossil record, saying that Yahweh-Elohim planted the dinasaur bones, etc. to make it appear that the world was older than 6,000 years . . . essentially to deceive “the smart boys”!
They have always professed to be able to answer any question “to your satisfaction.” But if you ask them some difficult questions, you may not be satisfied with the answers. Eventually, you will be accused of being “carnal minded”, i.e. satanic simply for asking.
Here’s an example of a question that has never been answered to my satisfaction: If the Bible says that “by grace are ye saved”, and that you are not judged by your works, then why does the IDM require that you attend 3 lectures / week? What is getting dressed up and driving to a lecture hall if it is not a “work.” If it is a work, then it cannot be grace at the same time . . .
The IDMR has its own system of thinking and logic that is incredibly controlling. Carried to extremes, it can be very destructive to family and personal welfare. If you are a member of this group, or a cult, you should read John D. Goldhammer’s book, “Under the Influence – The Destructive Effects of Group Dynamics.” You will be enlightened if you read it objectively, because it has no agenda, i.e. no anti-religious bias. Based upon summary of traits of destructive groups, the IDMR does very, very poorly.
The IDMR kept sway over members for decades: the founder said “you will not live to see the year 2000″ and the present leader, Dr. Harris, publicly stated that the world would end before 1996.
Well, here we are — almost 2008 — and the group has never bothered to admit that it was mistaken. Other prophecies that did not come true have been similarly swept under the rug, in denial mode.
To me, the truth — as best as we can understand it — trumps everything else, especially dogma
December 29, 2008 at 4:31 pm |
Ralph:
I am certain you are happy to be free of the “Clutches” that the IDMR have on its members.
History is best qualified to reward ALL research…….
Once we realize the HISTORY of civilization it will open up a whole new way of thinking. The correct way of thinking for yourself and not let someone else tell you what to think.
We have the freedom to pick up a book and read it and ask questions. If something does not make sense then it probably is a false story. Do some research and make sure that which you are “Believing in has substance, TRUTH, FACTS and EVIDENCE behind it……..
The Modren Day Bibile has been “CORRUPTED”……..It has been rewritten over 1000 times…..
You have to ask yuorself why is that? Why has something that “Supposedly” be true about the creator and civilization been rewritten over and over again????
DR. Kinley said the truth is right in front of you if you look for it…..What he meant was “Do not look for it beyond this bible”…….For if you look for it beyond what he taught then you will certainly realize that you have been lead by a “HUGE LIE”………………by him.
I “Emphasize” reading as many books as possible about civilization and religion…….Read and Comprehend then put it all together and compare what makes the most “Common Sense”…..what have the most Evidence and FACTS behind it………
Peace in the name Amen-Ra
December 29, 2008 at 8:56 pm |
Ralph:
You are not to believe in any thing or except anything with out proof: It doesn’t matter who says from Dr. Harris of IDMR or from Preacher or a Teacher even your own parent because they say so. I have Heard Dr. Harris speak and other of IDMR speak “There are many many false preachers out in the world”. I hope Yahweh will help you fine the truth and not believe in something just because someone says so.
I can tell you that my class I go to encourage you to come to class and study not just the bible by all things. From listening to the news pass history and event. They tell there children to get and education work hard just like another normal parent would do. I have children I go to class my children believe that the name is Yahweh but they don’t go to class and that between them and Yahweh.
I encourage to go but if they don’t I don’t dis own them or say then have a satanic spirit. It all in the purpose of Yahweh. At our school we have maintain the Gospel and not preach anyother Gospel that Wasn’t given to Moses and his forefather.
So, If anyone say that time has end in the Year 1996 and didn’t explain to you what They were talkin about they were in error Not Yahweh. Remember Yahweh has give us a measuring Rod and If doesn’t or can’t be explain by the pattern it not true.
I am not an IDMR follower nor Dr. Harris or the Dean of my School follower. I came to my understanding only by Yahweh. LOOK to your creator and ask Him the Truth of all things. NOT to A MAN for the answer. Research and keep research ask question and keep asking question you have the right your soul depend on it.
December 29, 2008 at 11:12 pm |
Ralph:
And one more thing about the school there are aims. and here are they:
The 4th aim:To encourage and promote the study of the Scriptures, comparative Religions, Psychology, Philosophy and Modern (practical and occult) Science
And one more thing about the school there are aims. and here are they:
Before each class being the moderation is giving and the AIMs
O U R A I M S
The primary Constitutional objectives of the Institute are as follows:
1st – To help you Find and Know Yahweh our Elohim as He really is and actually exists
2nd – To form a nucleus of Universal Brotherhood of Humanity in Yahshua the Messiah without distinction of Race or Nationality, Creed, Sex, Caste or Color
3rd – To investigate the unexplained Spirit Law or so-called Law of Nature and the Powers latent in man
4th – To encourage and promote the study of the Scriptures, comparative Religions, Psychology, Philosophy and Modern (practical and occult) Science
5th – To extirpate current superstition, skepticism and ignorance
6th – To Learn, Know and Understand the operation of Yahweh’s Eternal Purpose through the Dispensations and Ages
7th – To Discern and Avoid being Deceived by Lucifer, the Serpent, the Devil or Satan and his demons, operating the Mystery of Iniquity on Earth through the Dispensations of time
8th – To earnestly contend for the Common Salvation and Faith which was once delivered unto the Sons or Children of Yahweh
9th – To make known that Yahweh, from the beginning, ordained there is NO OTHER NAME given among men whereby man can be saved, saving THE NAME OF YAHSHUA THE MESSIAH
10th – To inherit ETERNAL LIFE NOW in the Kingdom of Yahshua the Messiah, with the Hope of IMMORTAL (ETERNAL) GLORIFICATION in the NEW EARTH STATE
Watchword — PEACE Slogan — SPEAK THE TRUTH
December 30, 2008 at 3:40 pm |
Edrina:
Here is somethiing that should help wake you up. The culture of Yahweh “Did not start with Dr. Kinley”….Yes its true…..the name of the creator according to this modern day BIBLE is Yahweh…..What Dr. Kinley has taught about Yahweh is FALSE…….he has twisted what the original “Believers” of Yahweh taught long before Dr. Kinley was even a THOUGHT…..
BUT….before this modern day BIBLE was written and PLAGARIZED…..we had a creator named AMEN-RA, or ATEN-RA which are one in the same….The Hebrews PLAGARIZED the teachings of the creator…that which was here thousands of years before a HEBREW was BORN……
Peace in the name of Amen-Ra
December 30, 2008 at 9:55 pm |
That did not wake me up because Yahweh was always Yahweh I already said, So read the complete blog. I Said that before anything was Yahweh was so that you includes Myself and Dr. Kinley your Amen-Ra the heavens the earth anything see and unseen. Yahweh is Spirit. He is the all and all there is nothign co partner with Yahweh. Yahweh our Elohim and Yahshua the Messiah is One Yahweh not three.
Again your miss understanding is still miss place I never said, ” Dr. Kinley start the name. Yahweh is eternal. Nor Did Dr. Kinley say it either. He said the, Yahweh Elohim and Yahshua the messiah was take out of the bible and place with Lord God and Jesus Christ and without the True names in the bible you will have a miss understanding of the bible.
I don’t worship Dr. Kinley nor no man or god that is or on earth, which are Egypt god. And still you have not answer not one of my question why is that I enjoy reading your blog just to see if you can answer a simple question.
You say that AMEN-RA was worship in Egypt and that AMEN-Ra was the first or always was I can tell you that you are wrong again… You must be smart than the Egyptologist or the one whom have Written many books and the subject to say Amen-Ra was first. Because I can see that it is your own principles Idea.
There was an Upper Egypt and Lower Egypt and both worship different gods or sometimes the same god. Sometime it would depend on the Pharoah and surrounding area. Now here another fact that is true and can not be misunderstood unless your blind.
http://www.watson.org/~leigh/egypt. Egyptian mythology is a complex collection of often competing stories, traditions, and practices. This is partly because the culture is so ancient, and partly because each city had its own set of deities, whose unique personalities are lost as their cults age. Just as each city vied for supreme power before Egypt was a unified kingdom, the cities each tried to establish their gods as the supreme gods. Even after unification, each time the capital moved, the supreme god of the new city rose to be the supreme god of the kingdom.
Below, a table listing some of the many gods and goddesses of Egyptian mythology. The deities are listed as closely as possible to the order of their appearance in the myths, from oldest to newest.
Nekhbet vulture goddess of Upper Egypt
Wadjet cobra goddess of Lower Egypt
Meskhenet childbirth goddess, represented by a tile
Taweret hippopotamus goddess, also childbirth goddess and protectoress
Bet childbirth god and protector of children
Atum Heliopolis (ancient On) sun god, self-created from the Watery Waste of Nun
Shu god of air, created by Atum
Tefnut goddess of moisture, created by Atum, sometimes a lion goddess
Geb earth god, created by Shu and Tefnut
Nut sky goddess, also goddess of death and burial, created by Shu and Tefnut
Osiris fertility god, later king of the dead, child of Geb and Nut
Isis Mistress of Magic and Speaker of Spells, also goddess of the dead, sister-wife of Osiris, child of Geb and Nut, mother of young Horus and therefore symbolic Mother of the Egyptian King
Seth rival of young Horus, destroyer of Osiris’s body, child of Geb and Nut
Nephthys one of the goddesses of the dead, sister-wife of Seth and child of Geb and Nut
Horus the Elder often shown in man’s form, or as a hawk, child of Geb and Nut
young Horus son of Isis
Hathor powerful sky and cow goddess, fertility figure, consort of young Horus but kept a separate temple, associated with tirual music
Thoth Hermopolis god, moon god and reckoner of time, depicted in human form with an ibis mask
Neith national goddess of Lower Egypt, huntress with crossed bow and arrows as her symbol, also goddess of the dead, sometimes supreme creator
Serkhet a goddess of death and burial
Re sun god, in the creation myth with Neith as supreme god, wept men and women from his eyes
Ptah Memphis god, considered primeval being first created to take precendence over Atum
Sekhmet represents the rays of the sun at midday, consort of Ptah and daughter of Re, the sun god, lion goddess of Middle Egypt
Aton Aye at el-Armana tomb chapel, also claimed to take precedence over Atum
Khnum First Cataract deity, ram-headed supreme creator god
Satet and Anuket represent the Nile in flood, helpers to Khnum
Nun and Nunet Ogdoad of Khemenu gods (City of Eight), represent the primeval abyss
Heh and Hauket Ogdoad of Khemenu gods, represent infinity
Kek and Kauket Ogdoad of Khemenu gods, represent darkness
Amun and Amunet Ogdoad of Khemenu gods, represent the unknown gods, also male and female principles in the cosmic system, Amun later a chief god
Mut both lion and warrior goddess, consort of Amun at Thebes, replacing Amunet
Bastet cat goddess, important in the last 1000 years B, originally a lion goddess
Meretseger cobra goddess of the peak overlooking the Valley of the Kings, name means “she who loves silence”
Renenutet snake goddess and protector of the king and the harvest
Nekhbet (Nekhebet, Nechbet) was the predynastic vulture goddess who was originally a goddess of a city, but grew to become patron of Upper Egypt, a guardian of mothers and children, and one of the nebty (the ‘two ladies’) of the pharaoh.
Now predynastic mean before any dynastic…. Again your you have a missunderstand of even what you think you are worshiping in Egygptian history.
There were over 2,000 gods and goddess in Egypt.
All you can said is Peace in the name of Amen-Ra or ALL Mighty AMEN-Ra.
If Amen-Ra is real and not deities. Wouldn’t you be able to show your god in the human body. Or explain to me what is he plan or has he just left you to your own devises.
My Yahweh Elohim though Yahshua Messiah can explain why the human body is the way that it is why there is good and bad. Even why we eat BREAKFAST, LUNCH And DINNER.
So keep blog so that I can keep showin other bloger on this site about your AMEN-Ra. It would have been better for you to said that You believe in Nekhbet since it was pre AMEN-RA.
Now either you are lying kered or the Egyptologist.
Now if you say Egyptologist our lying you need to write a book and be famous so that years of Egypt History can be rewritten to fit your version.
Peace Speak the Truth in Our Creator of Heaven and earth.
December 30, 2008 at 10:05 pm |
Edrina:
Keep spreading the word. IDMR is the truth Ive been with the group since July and its been amazing how much I have come to understand and know the truth. Definitely what you are speaking and spreading is the truth. Yes some people in class have taken it too far as too worship the man, but like he said its all about the spirit. We are all held accountantable for our own mistakes no one else. We are all witnesses from different angles. Just like eye-witnesses to a scence of a crime. Some people worship the messenger but they didnt get the message. What Doc is teaching is that Yahweh and Yahshua are the way point blank.
John 4:23-24 (amplified version, names in it)
23A time will come, however, indeed it is already here, when the true (genuine) worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth (reality); for the Father is seeking just such people as these as His worshipers.
24Yahweh is a Spirit (a spiritual Being) and those who worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth (reality).
Now Kered if something is not True its what…False! So therefor ppl up here talking about Jesus and Jehovah and etc those are false.
Question: what was the messiah name when he was walking around preaching, could you ask Peter, hey where is Jesus at?
Answer: NO, why because the letter J didnt exist til the 1500s
Further more the first KJV didnt use Jesus but Iesus. So if you are willing to accept a name that has been badly mistranliterated, you my friend are lost. You cant transliterate profound names. Funny how George Bush is George Bush in Iraq, kuwait, German, etc…
Kered:
I see what your problem is bro, you worried about the physical too much. Just because you seen some places here and there doesnt mean its correct. There are two spirits working here: Righteous and Unrighteous. Think about it. Also even the dictionary tells you who Amen-Ra is point blank. Look up Jehovah what does it tell you, see Yahweh!! Bro the game is so simple it crazy. He has to reveal it too you. Now you say Amen-Ra is the man right do this, tonight pray to Yahweh and say, “if your name is really Yahweh show me” You have nothing to lose but plenty to gain my friend!!!
Seek, seek, and seek! You will find.
Ralph:
Everyone thing is done by grace! Point Blank!
John 6:64-65 (holy name bible)
But there are some of you that believe not. For Yahshua knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.65 And he said, therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him my father.
Also 2 Thessalalonians 2:13 (holy name bible)
But we are bound to give thanks always to Yahweh for you brethen beloved of him, because he hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the spirit and belief of the the truth
2 Tim 1:9 (holy name bible)
Who hath saved us, and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given us in Yahshua the Messiah before the world began
By grace man! Your works have nothing to do with it, you ask why it takes 3 or 4 classes its by his mercy and his choice. If he wanted you to take1 or 10 classes its his choice. Want to know why! Lets go to Isaiah:
Isaiah 55:8-9
8For My thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith Yahweh.9For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
That should answer your question.
Kered:
I hope you didnt forget about that duel between Yahweh and Baal with Isaiah. He runs the game man. Yahweh dismissed all those Gods back in the day. Keep seeking man you will find the truth!!! Also all his prophets came in his name: EliYAH, Shemu’EL (samuel), MattiYAHu (matthew) Its amazing man, because he is amazing! HalleluYAH!!!
December 30, 2008 at 10:08 pm |
Hey Edrina can you email me man I would like toss some questions at you! Im loving IDMR but there are somethings you know that maybe you can point me in the right direction. Thanks brethen!
yahwarrior23@gmail.com
December 31, 2008 at 1:56 am |
I to spent sometime in IDMR ,and do belive in the true names and believe in being saved by grace. My problem is that people in IDMR are constantly worrying whether they are saved or not.They intellectulize things to the point where they make salvation complicated.Some think that if you can’t run a chart or be well verse biblical facts you are not sealed.Dr.Kinley himself had a 6th grade education and was very humble man.My question is that if Yahshua the Messiah died for our sins so that we have eternal life ,and believe that with all my heart that should be enough
December 31, 2008 at 2:15 am |
IF IDMR was so worried about not using the proper then why did DR.Kinley use God and Jesus for the first 25 years of that teaching.If you go to the http://www.ayahasherayah.org/ site and open the Dr.Kinley video from 1958 he uses God and Jesus.In the transcriptes from the 60’s ans 70’s he also uses the name of God and Jesus.IF he did not use the proper name consistantly then why are the rest of us are considered to go to the lake if we don’t use them.
December 31, 2008 at 2:48 am |
I might add that Dr. Harris appears to – as one of my brethren calls – “going in and out of consciousness” as of late. He will give a lecture from the original doctrine and then when he’s up on the floor again he’ll go back to the so-called progressive revelation doctrine. The poor people are so confused. If they don’t know by now that this is not “sound doctrine” I don’t know what else needs to be done for them to see that. The man will get up and ridicule ministers for teaching the very things he taught them. It reminds me of Pharaoh down in Egypt – “let the people go; no, don’t let the people go!” How long will this man hault between two opinions? When you have convinced the masses that they are being healed in Henry Clifford Kinley and salvation is a Henry Clifford Kinley birthed son – Yahweh truly has made “himself” a worthy
December 31, 2008 at 3:09 am |
We were to “discern and avoid” and we are also suppose to be “earnestly contending for a common salvation” – MOST IDMR members go to class, plop down in a seat listen to some repeat lecture from an LA DVD and go home and contend with their physical lives. Even though it is suppose to be a RESEARCH organization MOST NEVER research what they’re hearing and WORSE what they are teaching before the assembly!!! Calling themselves teachers and MOST need to be taught AGAIN the very FIRST principles laid down by the Founder and Dean Emeritus, Henry C. Kinley and above and beyond that not knowing if they have entered into the resurrection themselves HAVE NO BUSINESS ministering to anyone – THEY ARE FALSE WITNESSES BEFORE YAHWEH. No one can adequately testify to something they have not FIRST been a recepient of themselves. Dr. Kinley in whom they all trust – HAS ACCUSED THEM ALL BEFORE THE FATHER – by the way he set up this organization and charged every member with the divine right to question HIM and hold HIS feet to the fire to be certain for yourself that he did indeed receive these things direct from Yahweh – he never wanted any of us to go along just to get along – and NOW you are not to question any of these false teachers – because “you” are a 3-fold negative entity if you have a question – Or the real reason, none of them possess the ability to answer a doctrinal question.
December 31, 2008 at 3:20 am |
Judging by the doctrine that comes from headquarters, the IDMR, Inc., has lost the ability to explain the doctrine of death, burial, and resurrection (ICor 15:42-44) of Yahshua the Messiah in you. So, being ignorant of Yahweh?s righteousness, they?ve gone about to establish their own (Rom. 10:3) and have created an unworkable doctrine about Birthed Sons (WHERE do you ever find that term in the Scriptures or in Dr. Kinley?s lectures?), declaring that ?you are cast down and out and a Birthed Son is put into your physical body.? I can?t imagine what good that does me, if I?ve been cast out.
So we see the perils of one?s creating his own interpretations and theories, instead of finding out that which has already been established. Rather than try to create one?s own science or Gospel, let?s find out and understand what has already been given to us.
Dr. Kinley says in the Introduction to the Textbook (p. 1, Vol. I),
Although, my purpose, as expressed above, is to help every person who reads this book to LEARN OF THE TRUTH and FIND and KNOW Yahweh, I cannot definitely guarantee that in every case I will succeed in my efforts. The ONLY possibility of this becoming a truly accomplished realization in your life as it is in mine and comparatively few others, lies solely within your own ability and power to accept attested TRUTH and SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN FACTS.If someone chooses to NOT accept attested truth or scientifically proven facts, wh
at can be done? As Yahshua the Messiah said, (John 3:12) “If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?”
So, let us “Prove all things, and hold fast that which is good” (1Th 5:21).
December 31, 2008 at 8:31 am |
Chris
I going to try and explain to you as simple I can Why Dr. Kinley us the names LORD GOD and Jesus Christ. He did not teach the doctrines of LORD, GOD and Jesus Christ Christendom.
First Dr. Kinley said he had a Divine Vision and Revelation given to him by GOD (Yahweh) himself in the year of 1931. But, He said don’t take my word for it but make me prove to you are sacrifice. (Paraphrasing) Now each one has are own level scarification. One person may take a little another make may take a lot.
Now for Hundred of Years the name Yahweh Elohim and Yahshua Messiah were replace with Lord God and Jesus Christ. So If you take or Look at the MOSES Chart and see the Pattern from the Beginning about How Moses was the First to received the name of Yahweh he was 80 years old in the wildness of Sinai. Going to cut this up because you need to Read Exodus he was 40 when he kill the Egypt and buried in the sand and fled out into the wildness. He spent another 40 years in the wildness of Sinai.
Now “the Angel of the LORD (Yahweh) appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he look, and behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.” And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt. And when the LORD (Yahweh) saw that he turned aside to see, GOD (Elohim) called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and side, Moses, Moses!
Then Yahweh begin to introduce himself to Moses and said, “ I am the God (Elohim) of your father Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Also, Yahweh’s tells Moses, “ And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaacs, and unto Jacob as EL-Shaddi, (Almighty Provider) but by My name, Yahweh was not Known to them.
So, Yahweh set appoint in Time in Moses day that they would no longer call him by EL-Shaddi. He Yahweh allow it because Yahweh is going by a pattern and Yahweh does not change we do.
So, if I bring it up to day into when Dr. Kinley begins to USE the Names Lord God and Jesus Christ not teach Christendom. That all the people known that never heard of Yahweh remember this is 1931 and if they did they did not understand the purpose of Yahweh. And Yahweh knows that so, Acts 17:30 “ And the times of this ignorance GOD (Elohim) winked at [overlooked]; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the worked in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained;”
Remember Yahweh Elohim or Elohim is the Archetype Original Pattern of the Universe and everything goes by a pattern. So it was appoint time Dr. Kinley said, “No longer WE us Jesus nor us the names Lord God. (There is more to this but it would take a while to go to great detail with Time.) I just use this one example. Because, Your question is two part.
Now I said that Dr. Kinley use the names Lord God and Jesus. By did not teach Christendom.
Example: Christendom believe that the Messiah (Jesus) is coming back on cloud, that you got to get in to physical water to be baptize and You have to paid money in order to get into Heaven and that the preacher or pope is the Mediator between them and men in this Age. They belief Jesus was setting up a Christen example [walk Christ like]
Now Dr. Kinley says, and the book said, That Messiah has come [present]. Now we preach that by preach of the Gospel [good new] or being Baptize Remember the define means “immerse’’ And you don’t have to be immerse in some physical water. You can be immerse by the sound of someone voice music etc…We don’t do tiding, We ask just for you to pay attention. And There Now after the outpouring of the Holy Spirit there is no physical man between you and Yahweh. You can talk right to the father. Dr. Kinley and the book said, that the (Jesus) Yahshua said “ Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. [to end to complete to satisfy]
Now this happen to still today When you began to talk about Yahweh to someone who has not heard of Yahweh you do the same thing.( As of using Lord God Jesus) Then after a while you keep talk with that person and You’ll say now I have told you that Lord and God are titles and are not names and the Name Jesus is not the name of the Savior.
Chris Question: “IF he did not use the proper name consistantly then why are the rest of us are considered to go to the lake if we don’t use them.”
Edrina answer: Obedience unto Yahweh. Why obey yahweh because, Let me says, this by doing just a little research on what the names Jesus means and it etmologoy :
Whats in a name EVERYTHING: JESUS
Baal means “Lord” in Hebrew
GE (J) sound means earth or soil in Greek
Sus means swine or pig Latin
So your saying “ earth pig”.
Is a corrupted name derived from Greek IESOUS, IES, Or Iysh in Hebrew means
Man,
While SUS-SOOS means Hores “man Horse” or Man breast
The Name Iesous or “Hey-soos” meand Hey Horse
What’s in a Name EVERYTHING: Yahweh Elohim Yahshua
Yahweh (To be) Elohim (the almighty provider) Yahshua (savior)
Now Chris you should answer that question for yourself about go to the lake. You said your name is Chris and You wouldn’t have me calling out of your name not after you told me. Keep it simple Love peace in Yahshua Messiah. I Hope I answer the question. If not I will try and find the some transcript or more bible refer on the Name of Yahshua the Messiah.
It by grace we are save.
December 31, 2008 at 4:31 pm |
There is an old saying:
“To hate the root of a tree is to hate the tree itself”
Everything has a time, place and beginning. To deny the “HISTORY” of where the Hebrews, Muslims an the Catholics got their “Doctrine” is in essence Denying the “TRUE” Creator……
We do not teach RACISM. When we speak of history we are speaking from “FACTS” that can be backed-up with “EVIDENCE”….
I will say this again…..There were “NO” Greeks or Romans, Hebrews, Muslims, Catholics, Baptist, Lutherans, 7th day Adventist, Masons or any other Religious group Prior to 2000b.c.e…..The story of “Adam/Eve” is only 3000/4000 years old…..We are in the year 2009…..Which means according to this story…..Civilization started between the years of 1000 b.c.e and 2000 b.c.e
Before the year 2000b.c.e we have “NO” documentation of a “Hebrew” on the face of the EARTH…….There was No Rome or Greece……There was NO European on this Earth…..No Asia, No America, No Mexico…….
And there is “PROOF”, “EVIDENCE”, “FACTS” to back this up……
Abraham came on the scene between 1800b.c.e and 1700b.c.e..
EVIDENCE will prove that the people of “KEMET” was already in their 17th Dynastic Era………..
All Religion came out of “KEMET”………Like it or not
Can anyone of you give me the name of the “King” who was holding captive the Hebrews in Kemet/Egypt????????? Please give me the name and I will give you EVIDENCE that you are Sadly Mistaken……
This is why we say: “History is BEST qualified to reward ALL research”.
If you knew History you would have known that the “Hyksos” which are the “Hebrews” RULED in Kemet/Egypt in the years between 1500-1600b.c.e????…..Did your BIBLE tell you that??..No it Did NOT…..And did your BIBLE also tell you that the Pyramids were built Before the First Hebrew was BORN????….No it DID NOT
Auset who the “Greeks” called “Isis” was the “First Women” to have an “Immaculate Conception”…….I can give you evidence of this.
Ausar who the “Greeks” called “Osirius” was the “First man” to Resurect from the Dead…..after he was Killed by his Brother “Seth”…….Not Yashua nor Jesus…………This is where that story of “Cain killing his Brother Abel” came from……I can give proof of this.
Heru who the “Greeks” called Horus…..The “Son” of Auset and Ausar………That great Sphinx you see in Kemet/Egypt…that was built in honor of “Heru” in the 3rd Dynasty of Kemet around 3000b.c.e…..”Heru avenged his Fathers Death by Killing “Seth”……and by Killing “Seth” who represnts the “Devil”……gave promise of the afterlife with “Ausar and Auset”…….There was NO hanging on a CROSS…….In “FACT”…that cross you see today is a “PLAGARIZATION” of the “ANKH”……I can give you proof of this…..
Peace in the name of Amen-Ra
December 31, 2008 at 5:53 pm |
My brothers and Sisters PLEASE WAKE UP…….
You do believe that there was no letter “J” in BIBILICAL times correct???
Then PLEASE tell me what was the name of “Jerusalem and the river Jordan”…….Remember, there was no letter “J” doing this time…..
History is best qualified to reward all research…….
The truth is ‘hidden in plain sight’ and it is because it is the safest place to hide the truth. We stumble over it everyday and we don’t see it, because we were taught not to ask questions.
Carter G’ Woodson from his book the Mis-Education of the Negro expresses it best:
“When you control a man’s thinking you do not have to worry about his actions. You do not have to tell him not to stand her or go there. He will find his proper place and will stay in it. You do not need to send him to the back door. He will go without being told. In fact, if there is no back door, he will cut one for his special benefit. His Mis-Education makes it necessary.”
Hosea 4:6 says: “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.”
In order to have “Knowledge” you must “First” know “HISTORY”…….And those of you in the IDMR have know CLUE about HISTORY so you have no knowledge…..
July 1, 2009 at 2:59 pm |
The law was given unto israel through Moses the first prophet of Yahweh Elohim,who is Yahshua the holy spirit in a body.The law could not be broken where there was no law,hence the marriage of cain and a sister.This marriage took place before the law,and after the law{transgression in Eden]the tree.
December 31, 2008 at 8:19 pm |
LMAO, Kered you are trying to hard bro! Serious lack of knowledge is therefor being ignorant, believing someone instead of doing the research for yourself. You alone cant even give the first correct God of the Egyptians. Serious chill out!
Answer to your question: Yerushalayim (no J until 1500s) serious KJV didnt even use the Jesus in its first copy in 1561. You talk so much about History and knowledge but you cant refute that buddy.
They say the closest correct form in english would of been Joshua, so why is it that we hear of Jesus, or wait someone changed it awhile back. Its been thru like 3 different cultures said to mean this and that but what they didnt know is that from Greek to Hebrew was the hardest thing too. On top of that profound names stay the same. But dont take my word for it look it up.
Also this is what the jordan river is called: nehar hayarden, where is your knowledge easy search of google could of gave you that. You making it soo hard when its too simple.
December 31, 2008 at 9:29 pm |
Sam: Can you read and comprehend???
I know the letter “J” did not exist back then I am not disputing that………But since you are so SMART……
Where was the garden of eden????
What year was Adam/Eve born????
Who was the “Pharaoh” that “supposedly” held the Hebrews captive and what year was it???
What year did “MOSES” lead the Hebrews from Egypt???
Sam. Its very sad that you are trying hard to dispute what I am saying…..but you and the rest of your followers of Dr. Kinley can not give any time, place, or dates of anything…..
You can quote the BIBLE very well….Who cant? The BIBLE does not give any dates or time…..The BIBLE uses names of people and places that never EXISTED……The Holy NAME BIBLE is no different from KJV..
Sam: Have you read the “KOINE BIBLE or the SEPTUAGINT BIBLE or the VULGATE BIBLE”……these are only a few version out of 1000…..that right there should tell you that what you are reading is based on deceit…
The name of the creator of ALL is AMEN-RA…….You can find teh name Amen-Ra all up and down the Nile Valley. In the Valley of the Kings. In all the Ancient tombs and cities in Ethiopia and Sudan………
You are PRAISING a Hebrew God and you are not even a Hebrew yourself…..The people today in Israel do not Identify with you and Dr. Kinley……But you will stand up in class three times a week and Praise Israel…….They do not even know who Dr. Kinley is…….So Sad
If you knew “HISTORY” you would have known that the name Israel is an Egpytian/Kemet name…….Can I prove it YES…
“Is” comes from the greek “Isis” which the original name of Goddess “Auset”
“Ra” comes from the Egyptian/Kemet name of the Creator which represents the rising of the “Sun”
“EL” comes from the hebrew word meaning “Lord”…….
You cant find the NAME YAHWEH or YAHSHUA written no where PRIOR to 2000b.c.e…………
In what Dynasty did “Moses” live?????
You should know this because you are certain about Yahweh so you must have an understanding of the “History” of your Religion……
Please dont tell me it does not matter if you have know idea of the dates and places and time……It matters very much. Its “Foolish” to beleive something just because some man jumped up and said he had a vision/revelation……..
What Dr. Kinley has taught is nothing “NEW”…….Most people are to lazy to read a BOOK thoroughly……But if you are serious about history and the TRUTH then you would have known that “Yahweh” was always in the BIBLE……It was taken out of the main body of the book…….But the “Preface” would tell you that “Yahweh” is the God of the Modern Day Bible…….Thats nothing new to us…we always knew that. That was taught to us back in elementary………
But what was not taught was the BIBLE is a PLAGARIZATION of the TRUTH……..
The IDMR will tell you there is no need for “Research” but that word is in their TITLE…..Hence the “R” in IDMR……..
Dr. Harris himself has said there is no need to research cause you have already been saved if you know the name Yashua/Yahweh……..
Talk about Contradiction………and the confusion continues
December 31, 2008 at 11:00 pm |
Again the myth you have error again in the Story
At first, there was only Nun. Nun was the dark waters of chaos. One day, a hill rose up out of the waters. This hill was called Ben-Ben. On this hill stood Atum, the first god. Atum coughed and spat out Shu, the god of the air, and Tefnut, the goddess of moisture. Shu and Tefnut had two children. First, there was Geb, the god of the earth. Then, there was Nut, the goddess of the sky. Shu lifted Nut up so that she became a canopy over Geb. Nut and Geb had four children named Osiris, Isis, Seth and Nephthys Osiris was the king of the earth and Isis was the queen. Osiris was a good king, and he ruled over the earth for many years. However, everything was not well. Seth was jealous of Osiris because he wanted to be the ruler of the earth. He grew angrier and angrier until one day he killed Osiris. Osiris went down into the underworld and Seth remained on earth and became king. Osiris and Isis had one son called Horus. Horus battled against Seth and regained the throne.
After that, Horus was the king of the earth and Osiris was the king of the underworld.
The End
This is a fable from Egyptian walls
January 1, 2009 at 12:01 am |
Edrina:
We have Three Creation Stories that were told in KEMET.
The First story was that of “Heliopolis” which you are refering to.
The Second was the “Memphite” creation story.
The Third was the “Hermapolitan” creation story.
This so-called “Fable” from Egyptian walls PREDATES Yahweh by thousands of years……
All three of these Creation Stories have the same meaning……They were told in different parts of KEMET…
The Heliopolis story was told in the city of “Heliopolis” which is now called “Cairo, Egypt.
The Memphite story was told in Memphis, Kemet
The Hermapolitan story was told in Thebes, Kemet…..
Tell me something Edrina……can you find the name Yahweh or Yahshua on any of those Walls??????………….
January 1, 2009 at 12:18 am |
You cannot worship two gods. How can quota bible scripture to fit your need when you don’t even believe it yourself.
Kered Says:
1.Before the year 2000b.c.e we have “NO” documentation of a “Hebrew” on the face of the EARTH…….There was No Rome or Greece……There was NO European on this Earth…..No Asia, No America, No Mexico…….
So Caucasians Asia just pops up from out of nowhere? Only People of COLOUR existent. Oh…. That just
You do even look at your on evidence of Egyptian History. http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/prehistory/egypt/history/timeline.html
This time line of History began with the more recent (youngest) to the Latest (oldest).
See you don’t even know what you believe because you can answer a simple question If Amen –Ra was the first god Or is the creator of all things WHY Cant You explain His purpose His Plan. How does he AMEN-Ra want us to worship him?
See the creator I service tells me how to worship Him..
Kered said,
1.You are PRAISING a Hebrew God and you are not even a Hebrew yourself…..The people today in Israel do not Identify with you and Dr. Kinley……But you will stand up in class three times a week and Praise Israel…….They do not even know who Dr. Kinley is…….So Sad
Again you are at a lost Yahweh use the Hebrews Jew as example. To service his purpose. To show his power.
I have friends whom are pure Africa which means she is From the Zulu Tribe another from South Africa and other from another part of the area… And I went to a school that had exchange students from African. And she doesn’t worship those gods. Her belief of worship is around a Female god and she believes in a physical recarnation on earth.
There are many different belief in Egypt. You couldn’t name them all.
Kered says
1.Then PLEASE tell me what was the name of “Jerusalem and the river Jordan”…….Remember, there was no letter “J” doing this time…..
Here is example by take the word Jew:
The Hebrew for Jew, יהודי , is pronounced ye-hoo-DEE. The Hebrew letter Yud (or Yod), י, used as a ‘y’ in the Hebrew language (as in the word ye-hoo-DEE), becomes a ‘j’ in languages using the Latin-based alphabet when the Yud is used as a consonant rather than as a vowel. Therefore, a rough transliteration of יהודי in English would be Jew.
Jerusalem names was Yerushalayim,
Kered says:
1.Abraham came on the scene between 1800b.c.e and 1700b.c.e..
So there was someone before him….. Abraham had to have mother and father.
Keep bloging… There can only be one…
January 1, 2009 at 11:37 pm |
I have been researching IDMR for a little while and find some things I have learned a real eye opener.I was raised catholic and I haved questioned many of the rituales and beliefs that was forced upon me in my youth.If people what know what a cult is, try being raised a catholic.They take there share liberties with the bible.A least IDMR tries to back up what they say.My problem with IDMR that there is not a wealth of information such as sites and video.I submit questions to the IDMR site and they never get back to me. Why don’t they bombard the internet with information like the other relegions do. Some people don’t live close to a IDMR class site.I feel like they act as a secret society at some level . What I have learned is great ,but I wish there was more.
January 2, 2009 at 6:17 am |
Im gonna tell you a little story about me Ivan “Shua Shua” you say Yahshua. I AM a desend of three nation’s of man, and women which are Indian, African, and Europian, and many blood lines to meet in the after life because I truly chose to return to which I come from which is families. Iran was a uncle of mine whom died on Hamburger Hill see the reason Im telling you this is because when my uncle was born my grandmother named him Ivan, but the nurse put Iran on the birth papers my grandmother never got it changed, but they knew him as Ivan. When my uncle died it hurt my mother because she loved her brother, and what is love “Jesus”, and so she named me Ivan, GODS chosen one, and this is the story of Ivan also Shua Shua Naheem ALLAH. Shua Shua which means born savior, Naheem which means the bright early star the SUN, ALLAH, but GOD said there will be no other GOD, but he so he is a man? Now I truly stand between Heavon, and Hell which my eyes see opon this earth, but the problem is I dont know which of the two I should choose I know I am here to give good advise that can change lives, but do you the world deserve good? I was born in America May 10 1976 the year of the dragon as Ivan I have earned many names since then which I choose not to share any other, but the two I have named. Now I said I truly stand between good, and bad so this is my story, and relation ship with the bible, but people tell me to read the whole bible I never wanted to I felt good reading what I felt related to me the most which is the entire book of Revelations. I begin reading this book at a strange time in my life, and Americas history as well because the first night I desided to read the bible was Sept 11 2001 about 12:30 at night I finished about 2:50 in the morning. I was locked up in the Roanoke city jail at the time so that morning when the TV was cut on people in the pod I was in seen what was going on some one from the pod woke me, and said to me we at war so I got out of the bed, and went to see if it was true when I seen what was going on I said to my self damn I just read Revelations, and we going through one. I got out of jail Dec 23 2002, and went on being me Ivan “Shua Shua”, but one day I desided to read Revelations again beginning to the end like last time, and the very next day the north eastern black out happen now that was the reading four more would follow. One day I was going through a lot of stress so I started Revelations again beginning to end, and sure enough the next day the TSUNAMI happend I though to my self I may be diffrent now the fourth time I desided to read Revelations I was back in jail, but before I read it I told some one in there with me watch when I read this book some thing is going to be in the papers, and the news so I read it again for the fourth time from beginning to the ene, and all that next day the talk was about the statue of Jesus mother crying blood in Sacramento CA. I was not trying to show off because truthfuly I never realy told many people about this because it later became wicked or evil for me as Im about to tell you about……..it was my mothers birth day thefirst one that I had with out her in my life I was going through a lot of stress, and battling with the demonds in my mind the stress is so bad I talking to my self out load, and Im the only one in the room so yes Im talking to myself so pay close attention to what I said to the voices because they where focused on America even though I dint mean for what happen to happen I said a lot of people is gonna die behind me reading this bible to night, and I dont care if its NASA if I want It touched then I can desroy it meaning I can put my evil into others to make them do my evil will, and even kill them self. I picked the bible up for the fifth time and started Revelation like always beginning to end, but not like the other times this time I was mad as I ever been you see as I read a flood killed 29 people in South Carolina, and then the very next day the Va Teck killings following the NASA hostage situation. Now me I have not seen it all, but I seen enough to know life is not fare so in that fact I read Revelation for a sixth time, but this time I asked GOD not to kill from my soil devine evil because no one could will that to me, but GOD. THAT is my story, and you can also readY book ARMAGHETTO on lulu.com under Armaghtto books…..which I can say is a writing Revelation all in the same so thank you for paying attention. Ivan The Terrible at myspace.com/Kyzasolasay
January 2, 2009 at 7:31 am |
Luke,
Keep pusing yea the idmr website is not by the best out there with info and etc..and there arent alot of classes in some areas but that is just how it is setup man. Most people fail to realize Yahweh has never worked in the majority he has always worked small. Look at Noah Arks, out of the whole creation 8 ppl where saved. He never changes man, i understand about the Catholic stuff i have some friends in that and its tough to talk to them. But keep pushing and researching. truth is out there.
Kered,
I gave you the answers to your question you asked about Jordan river and Jerusalem. Yes im not Hebrew physically, but spiritually im all Yahweh bro and thats all that matters. Where all him he created us, where all apart of him i just know NOW consciously who i am and who the creator really is. you go on about Amen-ra but he needs others for support. Yahweh is ONE and the all in all. First letter in the bible is IN and the last is ALL. All in ALL bro! You say the bible steals stories from the Egyptians then why does Yahweh bash your gods during the Moses era. tell me why plagiarize and make the Egyptians look bad at the same time? Makes no sense. But if you insist Amen-ra is the man you are mistakened! your all physically with this amen-ra look at yourself dates and places and times, dynasty etc…. what about spiritually tell me how you are suppose to worship and what he does in your daily life. can you do that. you cant refute that Yahweh is working in his sons lives because he is. bottom line!
January 2, 2009 at 5:09 pm |
Sam & Edrina:
The reason why the BIBLE does not give any indication of Abrahams PARENTS is because ABRAHAM never EXISTED: Abraham is a “Figment” of someones IMAGINATION……95% of Todays BIBLES are made up stories…..
History is best QUALIFIED to REWARD ALL RESEARCH……..
I clearly gave you evidence of the “First” Semetic/Hebrew people. They were called the “HYKSOS”……That name is really GREEK…..the people of Kemet/Egypt called them…….”hikau khausut”, which meant “rulers of foreign countries”……And YES….They ruled in Kemet/Egypt for almost 500 years…….And there is PROOF of IT……..So that right there “Negates” what your “Holy Name Bible” and any other bible will claim that the “Hebrews” were SLAVES in Kemet/Egypt……..and with ALL this EVIDENCE you still believe they were slaves……..
Read “Manethos Aegyptica”………..Manethos was a Prominent Historian of Kemet/Egypt back then…..
They were “Conceived” in “Iniquity” and “Born” into “Sin”…..
The 5% of whats true in the BIBLE gives proof of their beginning……..
GEN: 25-23…”And Yahweh said unto her, two nations are inside thy womb and two “Manner” of people shall be “seperated” from thy bowels; and one people shall be stronger than the other; and the elder shall serve the younger.”
I am speaking about “Jacob” and “Esau”….Who represents 2 Distinct nations…..The first came out “Red and Hairy” which they Named “Esau”….is that right????
The second was Named “Jacob”….correct????
According to Kemet/Egpytian history…..when you refer to someone as “Red”…..they are of “Light Skin”……The BIBLE gave “NO” indication of what color Jacob was…..correct????
Now pay attention……..
To understand this “We” need to have a “Knowledge of “History”…….History tells us that the “Hebrews” did “NOT” exist until after 2000b.c.e……
The people who wrote or PLAGARIZED the TRUTH into these BIBLES will never put any date, time or place with these stories because if they did you would not be PRAYING to a made-up GOD……
It is said..”The Truth is Hidden in Plain site”……
“ESAU” represents the true Semite/Hebrew and “JACOB” represents the Indigenous people of Kemet/Egypt…..
January 2, 2009 at 5:39 pm |
Edrina:
In your last post you try to refute what I said about the Hebrews or any other people on earth prior to 2000b.c.e
PLEASE READ THE ENTIRE WEBSITE BEFORE YOU MAKE YOUR POST…..
The “Hyksos” invaded Kemet in the Intermediate Period between 1650b.c.e and 1550b.c.e
Now……when I say there is “NO” evidence of any other “CULTURE”……the word culture means:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/culture
While Kemet/Egypt was in their 17th Dynastic ERA…their is “NO” evidence of any other “Culture of people on earth…..Because those others were yet “BARBARIANS”……..not yet Civilised to document anything………..
Do you understand now?????
We do not PRACTICE, PREACH, ADVOCATE any type of RACISM. We only speak from what the Creator “Amen-Ra has done……..
January 2, 2009 at 7:19 pm |
Sam:
The people of Kemet was preaching about “Spirituality” thousands of years before the Hebrew made-up Yahweh……..
I think its in Mathew were the Messhiah says: “I will replace their stone hearts with that of Flesh hearts”……It is said that the “Hearts of men you will find Evil or Good…..correct??
Where did this come from???……It came from the Books of Kemet/Egypt….Can I prove it YES…….
According to TRUTH and FACTS and EVIDENCE……When we DIE…our “HEARTS” will be Weighted on the Scales of Truth in the “Hall of MA’At”……..or the Hall of Truth and Justice…..Your heart will be placed on the scales of Truth weighted against the Feather of Goddess Ma’at…..
if your heart tips the scale heavier than the feather of Ma’at……your spirit was Devoured and sent to the “Lake of Fire”….
Does that sound familiar….”Lake of Fire”………All that which is written in the these modern day BIBLES have been “PLAGARIZED” from the people of Kemet…….And we have PROOF of this…..
For those of you who do not know who Goddess Ma’at was look it up……”Ma’at” is the Foundation upon which CIVILIZATION is based…….
In this Hall you will not see Yahweh or Yahshua……this is documented all along the Nile Valley and the avalley of the Kings…..It is documented on Papyrus or Paper whichever you want to call it…….This scene which is called the “Judgement of the Heart” is carved in “STONE” dating back thousands of years before YAHWEH…..and you will still jump up in my face with this foolishness…PLEASE
If some of you take the time and Wake-Up…..do some research….travel to the Museums of Cairo and France and Germany and Paris……AND SEE THE EVIDENCE THAT HAVE BEEN KEPT FROM YOU……even though it is in plain site where you can go see them……Satan has a grip on your “Mentallity”…….You are afraid to wake-up cause you will find that what you have been taught by your PREACHERS, RABBIs, and all those who claim to have had some FOOLISH vision were actually WRONG….
Peace to you and praise almighty Amen-Ra
January 2, 2009 at 7:28 pm |
This is one of our websites I think you will find interesting if not mind boggling……..What it gives is Times, Places, Names and Dates….
Compare it to what you have in the Holy Name Bible…..See if it fits
PEACE
January 2, 2009 at 7:43 pm |
This is what you will see at the Judgement of your spirit……
Peace in the name of Amen-Ra
January 2, 2009 at 7:50 pm |
Kered,
Ok they dont even know if Amen-ra is the orginially creator. Some say Thoth is the one who created the heavens and the earth and that Ra was his son. Other sources say otherwise. See there are too many Gods for what you are claiming. So how is it that you know Amen-ra is the one and not Thoth! It is said Thoth is the God of wisdom, language etc.. and that he created himself as well as the heavens and the earth. So how do you know bro? Does your spirit tell you? How is it that these CERTIFIED SCIENTIST and RESEARCHERS dont know for sure but you do.
Furthermore shows Amen-ra weak side check it:
In one story the goddess Isis contrived and succeeded in forcing him to whisper to her his secret name. Even the way it is contrived shows Ra in a weaker position.
http://www.geocities.com/happyfolks@sbcglobal.net/IsAmenRaAllPowerful.html
You see the Elohim we worship has no weakness he is the ALL in ALL bro. All knowing, all powerful, he is it! One Deity, to be self existent. Ayah Asher Ayah or Yod He Waw He, ” I am therefor I am” basically self-existent bottom line!!! You talk about history and facts. Pls explain the discover of Noah’s Ark in Turkey, i think you said local flood! Hmm ok please explain the chariots still on the bottom of the red sea, please explain how there is one slight path that you can actually cross on foot, and you cant cross no were else. Please explain these amazing things bro because i dont think you can! He has left his mark all throughout history . Show Amen-ra’s mark on your body on his mark on creation, enlighten me pls…
January 2, 2009 at 8:56 pm |
Sam:
Give me evidence of “Chariots in the REd Sea???
Give me Evidence of “Noahs Ark” in Turkey???
Also Sam, you are contradicting yourself…..When you ask me to show you a mark on my “Physical Body”……I thought it was “NOT” about the “Physical” with Yahweh and the IDMR?????
You people are confused……..If its all about the “Spiritual” then having such marks on the body as YOU PEOPLE CLAIM to have does not matter……Correct??
Amen-Ra left his mark on the WORLD and UNIVERSE my Friend…..In the Holy Name Bible Yahshua says….” I am the light of the world”……isn’t that what Yahshua said?????….Well now look here….
You must ask yourself what “Light” was he speaking of?????….And that “LIGHT” my friend is seen on a DAILY basis……..IT SITS IN THE CENTER OF THE UNIVERSE…………That which “Represents Amen-Ra”
If you had the “KEYS” to understand that story of “Ra and Auset” you would have known that its not about being “weak”…..What does that have to do with……???? That story is telling you that the Creator “Trusted” Auset enough to tell her his Name……Plain and simple
If thats the case then “Yahweh” is Extremely weak…….How many people has he given his name and his “So-Called Vision to????……Hundreds
He is much weaker my friend if you want to compare that……Once compared to Hundreds……
My friend you have yet to understand the TRUTH……
It took me some time to understand so I “Empathise” with you……Keep researching and your Heart, Mind and Spirit will open up…..
You have yet to realize what “Diety” played what role in creation and how the people of Kemet associated the “Essence” of the One True Creator with Nature……..Keep searching and you will see it.
But remember………you can not deny that Yahweh did not exist prior to 2000b.c.e
January 2, 2009 at 9:17 pm |
Sam and Edrina:
This is more evidence of the original religion and Creator of All……..some historians still refer to that religion of Kemet as being a “Cult” just like some people refer to the IDMR as a “Cult”…..
But the Religion of Kemet Pre-Dates any other religion on EARTH……
My “Common Sense” tells me that this must be the TRUTH and we must DIG thru all the LIES and PLAGARIZATIONS to get back to it……There is too much evidence to back it up……Satan and his Co-Horts could not totally destroy it because of its TRUTH…..
But guess what……its well worth the HASSLE……
You must ask yourselves this one QUESTION????
Why is that the only book that was given to the Slaves on the plantation was the BIBLE….???? Its because thats the one book that controls “Mental Slavery”…….
And GOD said I will curse the children of “HAM”……I will “Smoot Thee black as night”…..Now this is what GOD said he would do…..
Now after Satan had taken those people from their Land, Their Culture, Their Religion and Their God…Placed them on a plantation as slaves….then he will turn around and give you a book about GOD that has in it you are CURSED……………
As Carter G. Woodson said:
“When you control a man’s THINKING you dont have to worry about his actions. You do not have to tell him not to stand here or go there. He will find his proper place and will stay in it. You do not need to send him to the back door. He will go without being told. In fact, if there is no back door, he will cut one for his special benefit. His Mis-Education makes it necessary.”
WAKE-UP………….
January 2, 2009 at 9:24 pm |
“Amen-Ra” is their a blood line am I not one……… God is one God, and their shall be no other name, but God!!!!! There was one Jesus “Yashua”, who lives in me because I beleave in him, but Devine Power is giving to God’s Chosen one’s as Noah to be able to control minds of chosen few animals, but two of every kind I think its true just as Mosses me, and all the others before me with God’s Love, and Wrath. Jesus “Yahshua” did die on the cross he do live in me, and I am him! Death on the cross God punished “Yashua” because he was the chosen one to rule earth in that flesh you can manifest water into wine, but you talk of the beauty of heavon as if all is worthy…… behold the great manifestor “Yashua” Jesus can turn water into wine, and can do all things on earth execpt one thing in the first life manifest the kingdom instead people that did not see his devine power could not beleave in him, because Jesus “Yashua” loved, but he was not perfect of love. There will be done on Earth as it is in Heavon his will is being done on Earth today, and his father, and love ones share. Now money I know thats whats going on in your mind thats because you look right past your God cant do that because Satan takes you over to the point you may do any thing for money. No Im not talking about money Im talking about God’s Mercy allowing his son to shine his Mercy on you. Satan walks the Earth in every beast lion down to man, cat, and dog, and God knows I would want to get cought in a red ant nest those little Devil’s will eat you alive. Soul controler Jesus “Yashua” holder of the key’s to Hell, and Heavon. What is a man to gain the world, but lose his soul well the world belongs to God, and you can not lose your soul because that is not your it’s God’s the only thing that is your’s is free will, and the blessing the father pass to his children ; no matter what name we choose to call the father he has, but one name God! Who was the first God to be worshiped ; you cant say right, but we all agree in a higher power well I think that power is here in me Ivan Shua Shua Na’heem Allah……..
January 2, 2009 at 9:42 pm |
Kered
I have state that I don’t Need a Book (Bible) to explain the creator.
Again Yahweh Is PURE Spirit He is The Source and the Substance the Limits and Bounds of everything. Have you ever ask you self why do we speak in Present, Past and Future. Why does Atom have Proton, Neutron, and Electron? Why dose the Cell have Nucleolus Nucleus and a Cell body? And Why do we eat Breakfast, Lunch and Dinner. Why does the Earth have a Crust, Mantle and Core?
Why Because My creator Is the Pattern Yahweh Elohim and Yahshua they are one: Yahweh (Formless) which is Pure spirit you can not (cannot) comprehend him in this state and condition. So Yahweh transforms himself it to Elohim SUPER INCORPOREAL form Which you can see and takes on shape form. Yahshua (Solid) manifested in the flesh or Physical Form. And Everything must conform to Yahweh Elohim and Yahshua the Messiah see and unseen known and unknown. One Spirit and two manifestation of this One Spirit.
Again the example of H2O (Water)
Example: (H2O) WATER: Water in is pure state GAS can not be seen AIR. WATER has to break it self down to be comprehend it LIQUID. You can not hold Liquid (H2O) in this state but it can take on any shape and fourm it desire. You put in a clear glass it take on that shape and its clear. Water (H2O) breaks itself down into a SOLID ICE in this state at can be handle examine and Truly see for what it is. Now no matter what state Water shows itself in it is still H2O. ONE
Now lets compare Cell:
All cells have a ’skin’, called the plasma membrane, protecting it from the outside environment. The cell membrane regulates the movement of (1) water, (2nd) nutrients and (3rd) wastes into and out of the cell. But still this is One Skin of the cell not many plasma membrane One.
Now lets Examine the Earth: The earth has three main levels.
The Earth’s outermost surface is called the crust region just below the crust and extending all the way down to the Mantle and Beneath the mantle is the Earth’s core. The Earth’s core consists of a fluid outer core and a solid inner core. Beneath or Inside is Plastic, Liquid and Solid. But still this is still One Earth not many.
My example can go on an on how Yahweh our Creator of the Universe is the only One.
Universe Mean is ONE: “the whole world, cosmos,” from O.Fr. univers (12c.), from L. universum “the universe,” noun use of neut. of adj. universus “all together,” lit. “turned into one,” from unus “one” (see one) + versus, pp. of vertere “to turn” (see versus). Properly a loan-translation of Gk. to holon “the universe,” noun use of neut. of adj. holos “whole” (see safe (adj.)).
Kered: Wrong again….
1. The reason why the BIBLE does not give any indication of Abrahams PARENTS is because ABRAHAM never EXISTED: Abraham is a “Figment” of someones IMAGINATION……95% of Todays BIBLES are made up stories…..
Edrina answer:
OH yeah Abram: Genesis 11:27 “ And Terah lived sevrty years, and begat Abram, Nahor and Haran
Keep bloging I real enjoy reader your blog. There can Only Be One.
Why cant you answer any of my question about what is your AMEN-RA?
What is his Make-Up? What is his Purpose? How can I see Him in Atom,In a Cell, In the Earth or In Anything? That is not Made with Human hands.
Kered says:
1.While Kemet/Egypt was in their 17th Dynastic ERA…their is “NO” evidence of any other “Culture of people on earth…..Because those others were yet “BARBARIANS”……..not yet Civilised to document anything………..
Do you understand now?????
Edrina Answer:
Evidence is so clear when you take In Account the Whole HISTORY of Man. Not in part. Worlds were concurred by saying that they (anyone whom they want to concur) were Barbarians (Because they say they did have Culture) Who were these People Native American, Africa (BlacK) what about Aztec. And that list can go on and on.
Kered says:
1.I think its in Mathew were the Messhiah says: “I will replace their stone hearts with that of Flesh hearts”……It is said that the “Hearts of men you will find Evil or Good…..correct??
Again It take a Vision and Revelation to get any understanding from the bible other wise you but your means in it. It must come from the Creator because it His Story. Not Mine not yours.
Edrina Answer:
Jeremiah 31: 31-33 “Behold the days come, saith Yahweh, that I make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah. Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was husband unto them saith Yahweh. But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel: After those days, saith Yahweh, I will put My law in their inward parts and write it in their hearts and be their Elohim and they shall be my people.
Now stone heart is the Old covenant which was written on stone table and Flesh Heart is the New Covenant written without pen or ink. Now Yahweh is NOT go to wait tell your dead to Judge nobody. You are Judge now. Still your worship Amen-Ra physical so not spiritually. So remember what you say that Your Heart will be weighted. And Remember that the Pharoah whom also to be consider to be gods also. They believed in a Physical After Life that’s why they had Mummies and keep there heart in Jars. If they were spiritual worship there would need all that. I guess you need to do the same thing… To inherent your Kingdom.
It’s the Thoughts of A MAN (AMEN) you will find Evil or Good. The Brain is governer all. The Brain cause your Heart to function. Not the other way around.
Your body Example: Head Area, Chest Area and Abdominal Area
Tabernacle:Most Holy Place(Yahweh) Head , Holy Place( Elohim) Chest and Outer Court(Yahshua)Abominal
Yahweh: Exdous 24: 8-9And Let them (Hebrew Jews) make me a sanctuary; that I may dwell among them. According to all that I shew thee, after the pattern of the tabernacle, and the pattern of all the instruments[furniture] thereof, even so shall ye make it.
Now this Tabernacle had a Most Holy Place a Holy Place and Court that went round about (Outer Court) There where three compartments but one Tabernacle. In the Most Holy Place was Ark of the Covenant. In the Holy Place was Alter of Incense, 7 Branch Lampstnd and Table of Shewbread. In the Court that Went round about was the Cup of Holy Anointing Oil the Brazen Laver and Altar of Sin Sacrifice.
You have Head, Chest and Abominal Area but Kered you are only One person. Your Creator is One there are no co partner issue out who does what where or why its Just One Just like you and me. You can’t divide the Head chest and Abominal Area and expect to live. So is Yahweh Unit of the Spirit. You cant divid Yahweh up and say Yahweh is one thing Elohim is another And Yahshua is another. They are One Yahweh is Elohim Yahweh is Yahshua. Again Yahweh is SPIRIT.
Keep bloging I real enjoy reader your blog. There can Only Be One.
January 2, 2009 at 10:12 pm |
Rationalize
One entry found.
Main Entry: ra·tio·nal·ize
Pronunciation: \ˈrash-nə-ˌlīz, ˈra-shə-nə-ˌlīz\
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): ra·tio·nal·ized; ra·tio·nal·iz·ing
Date: 1803
transitive verb
1: to bring into accord with reason or cause something to seem reasonable: as a: to substitute a natural for a supernatural explanation of b: to attribute (one’s actions) to rational and creditable motives without analysis of true and especially unconscious motives ; broadly : to create an excuse or more attractive explanation for
2: to free (a mathematical expression) from irrational parts
3: to apply the principles of scientific management to (as an industry or its operations) for a desired result (as increased efficiency)
intransitive verb
: to provide plausible but untrue reasons for conduct
Its so comical that the members of IDMR continue to play the game of “Rationalization”……You in the IDMR “Substitute something thats a “Natural” cause for “Supernatural causes” with “Plausible” but “Untrue” reasons………
Just remember Edrina: There was no Yahweh, No Hebrew and No Tabernacle prior to 2000b.c.e
So if it did not exist in the beginning then it certainly is “NOT” Plausible today……
Peace in the name of Amen-Ra
January 2, 2009 at 10:32 pm |
My oh My….Edrina and Sam:
This is where Dr. Kinley got his painting of the Tabernacle…..Now if this was the “Dwelling Place for God the Creator” how is it that it can be reconstructed and mass produced?????
Those sacred Temples you see in the valley of the Kings, in the Nile Valley, The Giza Pyramids the Great Heruakhmet/The Sphinx…..CANNOT BE REPRODUCE AT ALL…….Man has yet to figure out how those monuments and Pyramids were constructed……..
A JAPANESE company tried to “replicate” the Pyramids and FAILED………
And you talk about the Tabernacle like thats something special……..I can go online and by parts to build one……LMAO
PLEASE……can you go online and buy parts to build the GREATEST monuments ever built by HUMANS??????………No you Cannot.
But anyway…..you know that the Tabernacle was here before Dr. Kinley was ever a thought….Correct
So all of a sudden in 1931, Dr. Kinley gets a Vision/Revelation from the Creator of the Universe telling him the Correct way to worship him……
Now Yahweh already did this with Moses on Mt.Sinai and John on Isle Patmos….correct
So if Yahweh gave Moses and John the “Wrong” vision/revelation….how do you know he did not give Dr. Kinley a wrong vision/revelation..????
I love your BLOGS also Edrina and Sam…….Its so Amusing…..LMAO
January 3, 2009 at 1:27 am |
Kered:
I have read all your bloging and I see that a lot of the blogers answer you question. But I have seen that all you do is make a Statement about Amen-Ra.
The Pyramids are eroding for years (there Stone) Take a look at the Sphinx. And you are still talking physical, Not Spiritually.
One Simple question I repeat over and over Show me HOW AMEN-RA is I your Human body that was before a Pyramid. If AMEN-RA were the true Creator of this world He (AMEN-RA) would be able to put his handwork on his creature. Isn’t that true or not?
Wouldn’t it be more important to AMEN-RA? (Because, the discussion is the Soul not a Physical building) If you were required to know something of your Creator would it be so simple just to look at you self and See him?
If you can’t answer this simple question you just have a belief Your Body is a True Witness of The Creator of Heavens and Earth. We are higher then any creature that the Creator made. We can reason understand and comprehend. No other life forum does this but us.
Again We are made in the likeness of the Creator.
There Can Only Be One.
January 3, 2009 at 3:04 am |
Kered,
When i speak about the body im speaking on the creator leaving his mark on us, leaving his signature sort of like Leonardo, or Michelangelo in there paintings. But Edrina already cleared that up for me. Think about it.
Second please just google “Noah’s Ark Found’ and “Exodus the Movie” both will take you too some good sources as well as photos for both and a movie for Exodus showing divers under the Red Sea. Plain and simple.
i say Ame-ra is weak for giving up his name to ANOTHER GOD because if he is THE ONE, he cannot be fault under temptation!!! Am i right or Wrong? Yes Yahweh has let his name be lost in the ages, but like WE said our creator has a purpose and a plan!! Does Amen-Ra? can you tell me his purpose and plan? Why is it in Egypt no one can agree over one God but worship many….Its Horus this week wait no it Isis this week, oh no it Amen-Ra today.
Satan has indeed mislead the whole world we can agree on that, but what your talking is totally ridiculous! Egypt is in the same condition it was left in after Moses took Yahwehs ppl from that land to Cannans Land! you guys still worshippin so many different idols.
How can you disregard such testimonals from joshepus or Eurebsis who are well know scholars back during that time. Who both agree the Messiah died and rose again and was seen by his followers. I guess the Romans did some more plagiarizing as well too.
January 3, 2009 at 5:03 pm |
I went to a IDMR class and I found it interesting yet upsetting at the same time.There is a great Divide between IDMR itself.My problem was with worshipping Dr.Kinley instead of Yahshua the Messiah .I agree that Dr.Kinley recieved the gift of prophecy and so did others,but we are not worshipping them.It is almost like they took a page out of the Roman Catholics faith,by making saints out of them.Once you start doing that you are taking your eye off the ball.There is only one way to salvation and that is through Yahshua the Messiah. Here is what Dr.Kinley said about the matter.
That’s what you come down here for is to know something about Yahweh our Father, not old Henry C.
……From Lecture: Ever presence of Yahweh , pg 23, paragraph 4
Now I said there’s no salvation in the Honorable Elijah Mohammed! There is no salvation in Pope Paul! See and there is no salvation in Henry Clifford Kinley! And there’s no salvation in your pastor.
……From Lecture: Only name for Salvation is in Yahshua the Messiah, pg 5, Paragraph 22
Now you can’t go by the honorable Elijah Mohammed. You cannot go by Bahula. You can not go by Paul. You can not go by Peter and you can not go by Henry C. Kinley.
……From Lecture: Living the life; Love of Yahweh, page 4, Paragraph 1
DR KINLEY: God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in Henry C. Kinley
STUDENT BODY: No
DR KINLEY: You see how stupid we are. That whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
……From Lecture: Living the life; Love of Yahweh, page 7, paragraph 10
belonging to the Institute of Divine Metaphysical Research, that’s not gonna do it. You have to be in the kingdom of Yahshua. Now that’ll get it. Somebody says, ‘Well I’m following Kinley,” ? that’s not gonna get it.
……From Lecture: Living the life; Love of Yahweh, page 18, paragraph 7
Henry C. Kinley is not the teacher. Moses is not the teacher. Jeremiah was not the teacher. Paul was not the teacher. Comforter [is the teacher]
……From Lecture: Mystery of Iniquity, pg 13, paragraph 6
I want you to know that you cannot be saved in the name of Henry Clifford Kinley.
……From Lecture: Only name for salvation is in Yahshua the Messiah, pg 2, paragraph 1
Now I said there’s no salvation in the Honorable Elijah Mohammed! There is no salvation in Pope Paul! See and there is no salvation in Henry Clifford Kinley! And there’s no salvation in your pastor.
……From Lecture: Only name for salvation is in Yahshua the Messiah, pg 5, paragraph 22
Elijah Mohammed or Henry C. Kinley, we’re not the teacher! Freddy Allen and Bishop Williams, they’re not the teacher. ? I’m the little shot. ? Yahshua the Messiah is the teacher.
……From Lecture: Only name for salvation is in Yahshua the Messiah, pg 12, paragraph 7
The Honorable Elijah Mohammed or Henry C. Kinley, they’re not the teacher
……From Lecture: Truth through Dr Kinley?s vision, page 6, paragraph 1
Grace is not a work; Grace is an unmerited favor. You can’t merit salvation by something you do other than believe on Yahshua the Messiah.
……From Lecture: Carnal Ordinances, Page 3, paragraph 7
I have come in his name. I have said many times to you that it was Yahshua the Messiah that speaks through this body.
……From Lecture: 69 Convention; Discernment, Earthly name, Heavenly Name, pg 3, paragraph 1
I’ve never tried to preach nothing in, in the name of Henry C. Kinley.
……From Lecture: 69 Convention; Discernment, Earthly name, Heavenly Name, pg 3, paragraph 11
Yahweh is all in all. That’s all there is. Elohim is Yahweh, title for Him in shape and form, incorporeal too. And Yahshua is the name of Him manifested in the flesh; that’s all there is.
……From Lecture: Explanation of the Godhead, pg 15, paragraph 1
THE TRUE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM CAN ONLY BE PREACHED BY USING THE TRUE NAME OF YAHSHUA THE MESSIAH
……From Lecture: Gospel must be preached before the end comes [Pamphlet]
……See 9th aim
……See Acts 4:10-12
……See Ez 33:31
Justus Kristus is a Hindu idol, sun God, a Greek sun god, now that’s who Jesus Christ is. Now look you, don’t you start sassing me. His name is Yahshua the Messiah not Jesus Christ and there’s no other name given under heaven whereby man can be saved, saving the name of Yahshua the Messiah. Now did I get it over clear to you?
……From Lecture: Mystery of Iniquity cries Peace and Miscalculates His Coming, page 18, paragraph 1
Reader: But the Comforter, which is the Holy Spirit, which the Father will send in My Name?
Dr. Kinley: Now you see that? HE AIN?T SENDING HIM IN HENRY CLIFFORD?S NAME! He ain?t sending Him in Elijah Mohammed, He ain?t sending Him in the name of John the Baptist. He?s not sending Him in the name of Jeremiah, Ezekiel and none of the rest of ?em. He?s not sending Him in the name of Moses. And you can?t be (we just read over there in Acts of Apostles) you can?t be saved in no other name! LOOK FORWARD TO BEING LOST in the name of the honorable Elijah Mohammed! Huh?
……From Lecture: Only name for salvation is in Yahshua the Messiah, pg 11, paragraph 4
There are sites that is full of information and they are ThePatternOfEverything.Org and http://www.soundingthetrumpet.com
January 5, 2009 at 2:14 pm |
I too have gone to a class where replacing Yahshua with Dr.Kinley and in my Heart it was upsetting.I have found sites that contain a lot of information about Yahshua as he really is.They are http://www.plim.org ,www.thepatternofeverything.org and http://www.soundingthetrumpet.com
January 5, 2009 at 3:14 pm |
What is Yahweh’s PURPOSE and PLAN???????
It amuses me to see we have people like Edrina and Sam that will hold on to teachings that have “NO” validity…….
I said this more than once AND IT IS FACT…….If YAHWEH and YAHSHUA was not here PRIOR to 2000b.c.e………….Then how can they be the Salvation of the HUMAN RACE?????????
You people “FAIL” to realize that “CIVILIZATION” was here “THOUSANDS” of years “BEFORE” the story of “ADAM/EVE” was told…………
In order to have “PROOF” of something we must “FIRST” have “PHYSICAL EVIDENCE”…………..
This is where the IDMR take control of those who are “WEAK MINDED” and those who fall under the description of CARTER G. WOODSON’s statement on mind control……..
To deny the physical you are denying any kind of “EVIDENCE” that can be brought against what the IDMR or anyone is TEACHING……..and that’s SATANIC………
You can not deny “PHYSICAL EVIDENCE”……..if that is the case you people are such “HYPOCRITS”……Can I prove it YES.
That HOLY NAME BIBILE is a “PHYSICAL THING”……
Those “CHARTS’ you have in CLASS are “PHYSICAL THINGS”……
You continue to deny its not about the physical but the spiritual……Then why are you people so quick to use your “PHYSICAL BODY” as “EVIDENCE” of YAHWEH???????……………..
If you are going to tell me about some plan of YAHWEH….what will you use to prove his PLAN other than something “PHYSICAL”???????
ONE MORE POINT……….You people have the word “Meta-Physical” in the name of your school…….Do you see the “Hypocracy” in your school???
Is it not a fact that you believe that “YAHWEH” was in “ADAM”…correct?
Then what was “ADAM”?…….Was he “NOT” a “PHYSICAL” being?????
PLEASE…..you people are “KILLING” me with all your contradictions and hypocracy……
You CANNOT deny the “FACT and EVIDENCE” that “CIVILIZATION” was here THOUSANDS of years before we had a HEBREW, MUSLIM and a CATHOLIC on this EARTH…………..
Dr. Kinley brought to you what “HE” perceived to be the truth about Yahweh……Was Yahweh worshipped before DR. KINLEY came on the SCENE??????…..Yes Yahweh was worshipped before Dr. Kinley came on the scene…….and Yahweh was “NOT” worshipped the way Dr. Kinley say it was…..
The original “Hebrews” do not-did not associate the “TABERNACLE” with the “HUMAN BODY”………..
This is what people must recognize with these “FALSE PROPHETS”……They will come on the scene and change what was already here before them…..WITHOUT ANY “PHYSICAL EVIDENCE”…
Its like having your 10 year old telling his PARENTS what life is ALL ABOUT………The Mother and Father has been her say 60 years and the Son only 10 years yet the Son will TEACH his PARENTS right from wrong…….And if that be the case then something is “WRONG with that FAMILY”…………
Peace in the name of Amen-Ra
January 5, 2009 at 5:44 pm |
Edrina:
You are so far from the TRUTH its pityful……….
Did the CREATOR make “EVERYTHING in his LIKENESS”??????…….If you answer NO then you just validated what I said about you are So far from the TRUTH…..
If he did not make EVERYTHING in his LIKENESS…..then who created all the other living “SPECIES” on this EARTH?????
Is there a “DOG” God???? Is there a “CAT” God?????? Is there a “FISH” God????? Is there a “TREE” God?????……
To put yourself above what the CREATOR has made is CRAZY……
Did you know that “ALL” living species “COMMUNICATE” according to their “NATURE”?????….
Whose “NATURAL SENSES” are superior?????? The Animals or the Man?????
Yes, the SUN is 93mil miles from earth and we can see it because of its DIAMETER……..But if I put you 3000 Feet above ground will your “EYES” see a “MOUSE” on the ground?????…No…A “HAWK” or a “FALCON” or a “EAGLE” can……..LETS take something that we cannot see LIKE SOUND and SMELL….
Can we hear and smell as a “DOG”……No. Can we hear and “SENSE” vibration in the water like a “FISH”?????…….No
Also Edrina…….The only “PROOF” I have and “NEED” of “Amen-Ra” is ALL around you…….
There is no need to “Rationalize” the “EXISTANCE” of the “CREATOR” like the IDMR “Brain Wash” its members to do…..
Where do you think the IDMR and others get its notion of the CREATOR as a PURE SPIRIT??????………Amen-Ra is a “Pure Spirirt” that stepped foot into a “Human FORM”……..The reason he used a “Human Form” was “NOT” to prove how “EVIL” the HUMAN is like you all try to prove……..
He used the Human Form to prove his “EXISTANCE”………..Period.
Now….If you want to be Technical
According to the “First Creation” story told…that which is called the “Ennead or Heliopolis Creation”……(remember there were 3 stories told that predates ADAM/EVE)
But According to the Ennead “8 Dieties” were created along with “ATUM” or “Amen” which made “(9)”…..and where do you think the Catholics get that word “AMEN” from……Hmmm
Now stay with me………This is proof of “Amen-Ra”….
We have 9 “Heavenly Bodies” in the SOLAR SYSTEM…correct? And did you know that the number (9) is a “DIVINE” number???…..Can I prove it YES
It is said that in any school of learning from Kindergarten to the Unversity level that “Mathematics” is the only subject that is “UNIVERSAL”…….meaning that we cannot label it as belonging to one group of people….it applies to “ALL”…….
This is the GREATNESS of the ENNEAD AND “Amen-Ra”
If I take that number (9) and multiply it by any other number under the “SUN”…….DO YOU KNOW THAT WHEN THE ANSWER YOU GET IS BROKEN DOWN TO ITS LOWEST TERM IT WILL BE (9)???????
Example: 9×2546= 22914….Pay Attention….2+2+9+1+4 = 18 1+8=(9)
ALSO……if I Add (9) to any other number under the “SUN”…..for example: 9+4265…..No pay attention….that = 4274..
If I add 4+2+6+5…that = 17
If I add 4+2+7+4…that = 17
When “Adding 9″ it wiil come back to the sum total of the number being added….
YOU CANNOT DO THIS WITH ANY OTHER NUMBER……THAT INCLUDEDS THE NUMBER 7…
THATS PROOF OF THE “Ennead Heliopolis Creation”…….
PEACE IN THE NAME OF THA ALMIGHTY Amen-Ra
January 6, 2009 at 3:15 am |
Again you have missed Understanding:
1.Kered said: To put yourself above what the CREATOR has made is CRAZY……
Reread my statement January 3, 2009 at 1:27 am
1.Edrina Answer: Wouldn’t it be more important to AMEN-RA? (Because, the discussion is the Soul not a Physical building) If you were required to know something of your Creator would it be so simple just to look at your self and See him?
If you can’t answer this simple question you just have a belief Your Body is a True Witness of The Creator of Heavens and Earth. We are higher then any creature that the Creator made. We can reason understand and comprehend. No other life forum does this but us.
I said, “ We can reason understand and comprehend.” See Animal worship the Creator by Spirit Law. They (Animal) don’t need to reason or to understand or comprehend anything about the creator because they already KNOW. There is no miss understanding between the Animals and the Earth when it comes to Yahweh. (That Just You.) Another thing Animal cannot Rule man. But Man can rule over the animal. My Dog doesn’t take care of me I am not there pet. It’s the other way around.
The Dog Bark Wolf, Wolf The Cats Cry is ME OW, The OCEAN WAVES rolls in and rolls out. The Birds flap there wings Up and Down. Your Heart Beat 1,2 You walk with a rise and a fall. Like I said before the TREES Just STANDS STILL in that Y Shape and PRASIE YAHWEH. SIMPLE NOT “ Rationalize”.
It’s a simple fact that a tree stands up in a Y shape its is simple that Your own hand have Y’s though out it’s a Knew fact that your Veins branch off into Y’s. Now Yahweh Stamp that Letter Y though out Your Body. Not A MAN (AMEN)
Because it declare in the Name Of Yahweh “ let Everything that breathe” and the Earth shows his handwork.
Psalm 19 “The heavens declare the glory of Elohim and the firmament sheweth his handywork.”
YAHWAH
I say again that Yahweh is Spirit: There are NO deities or other gods besides him. Yahweh has NO CO-PARTNERS: AMEN-RA and his Hundreds CO (gods) PARTNER A god for every aspect of life.
Now that OTHER things that has many NAMES and has many helper is SATAN: “I will be like the most High.” He has CO-PARTNERS. Demons, Devils, Adversaries, Hades etc., it has a Very long list of Names.
Yahweh is El It is the Source and Substance, the Limits and the Bounds of everything both invisible and visible. This Pure Spirit state of Yahweh can be likened unto a cloud which has no conceivable shape or form, and in this Spirit is Intelligence, Wisdom, Knowledge, Beauty, Love, Justice, Power, Foundation and Strength (9). These attributes become united together in a conceivable shape and form, which Moses viewed as the Great Elohim. This Elohim then was Pure Spirit (Yahweh) in shape and form abiding within still as yet unformed Spirit. (It did not take all of the Pure Spirit to form the Super Incorporeal Form of Elohim). Then Elohim creates the physical man, Adam, in His likeness and image, and some four thousand (4000) years later Elohim, Himself, is manifested in a physical body and walked around in the Universe that He had created (John 1:14; 1 Tim. 3:16). This transmutation of Pure Spirit without shape and form into a Super Incorporeal shape and form and then into a physical form sets up a pattern that the whole Universe testifies of, and confirms.
I’ll SAY IT AGAIN, That YAHWEH DOES NOT DWELL IN A TEMPLE MADE WITH HANDS.
NO MAN went into YOUR MOTHERS WOMB and Fashion YOUR BODY. NO MAN. (AMAN)
THE PHRIMDS the SPINX are made with Man’s HAND. THEY are physical structure. You and I a physical living SPIRIT being. We have a SOUL. You ONLY have ONE Soul not many souls.
Your Creator Is One Unity there are NO other gods deities beside HIM. Deut.6: 4 Hear, O Israel: Yahweh our Elohim is One Yahweh.
Again Amen-Ra has other gods doing his business for him. Amen-Ra gives his praise to another.
Thoth
Other Names: Tehuti, Thout, Djehuti, Zehuti.
Description: Invented hieroglyphics and numbers. First and greatest of magicians. Inventor of the 4 laws of magick. His two wives were Seshat and Nehmauit. He had powers greater then Osiris and Ra.
Rules Over: Magick, writing, inventions, the arts, divination, commerce, healing, initiation, music, prophecy, tarot, success, wisdom, medicine, astronomy, geometry, surveying, drawing, sciences, measurement of time, all calculations and inventories, archives, judgment, oracles, predictions, rituals, the law, astrology, alphabet, mathematics, speech, grammar, arbitration, balance, mental powers, the Moon, botany, theology, hymns and prayers, reading, oratory, arbitration, peace, advice, learning, books, truth, akashic records, the moon, fate, arbitration, advice
Now Egyptian Prayed to the god whom they needed to given thanks to or to the god whom they need at that particular time. So if they had a good farming season they would give thanks unto Osiris. If they wanted Knowledge and healing powers they would pray to Thoth.
See Amen-Ra is not Thoth they are SEPARATE in Purpose and in Order of the god and goddess of Egypt. Yahweh is a Unity not Many gods Nor does Yahweh have many god deities working from Him ALL praise goes to Yahweh not a helper.
Another thing AMEN-RA still is JOHNNY COME LATE even in Egyptian gods.
You said, Not me that Amen-Ra was the creator of all. So he would be first to be seen in Egyptians history Is It True? Remember AMEN and Ra were 2 Separate gods and worship Separately. Later on in Egyptian History they were combine.
I say it again I don’t worship A MAN or A MEN: (AMEN-RA) or A Ra the Ray from the Sun. I don’t worship the things. I don’t give Praises to any other gods or goddess.
Again I said, “that MOSES wrote the First 5 book of the bible which is the LAW Exodus was the first book and Genesis was take out of the book of Exodus.” The King James Version:
Kered: says there are 3 account of the Creation.
Edrina Ask: Which one is Right?
Moses went you the Mt 3 times. (And another thing Your READING Moses Vision) There are Account of Moses Vision in the King James Bible.
Now Moses has a Vision like I said before How Yahweh Cause the Creation to come to be.
I said again, to UNDERSTAND any thing about OUR Creator YOU Must have a VISION (not VERSION) and REVELATION.
I GOING to try to keep it simple so that you understand why it may seem that way
1.Kered Says: The original “Hebrews” do not-did not associate the “TABERNACLE” with the “HUMAN BODY”………..
Edrina Answers: Tabernacle Webster’s New World Dictionary
a.a temporary shelter, as a tent a dwelling place the human body considered as the dwelling place of the soul a shrine, niche, etc. with a canopy a place of worship, esp. one with a large seating capacity the portable sanctuary carried by the Jews during the Exodus: Ex. 25, 26, 27
2 Peter 1:14 Know that shortly I must put off this my tabernacle, even as our Savior Yahshua the Messiah hath showed me.
So What is Peter taking about it Sure was a building it was the body.
Psalm 27:4-6 One thing have I desired of Yahweh that will I seek after; that I may dwell in the house of Yahweh all the days of my life, to behold the beauty of Yahweh, and to enquire in his temple. For in the time of trouble he shall hide in me in his pavilion: in the secret of his tabernacle shall he hide me: he shall set me u upon a rock. And now shall mine head be lifted up above mine enemies round about me; therefore will I offer in his tabernacle sacrifices of joy; I will sing, yea. I will sing praises unto Yahweh.
Now that Tabernacle which pitch in the Wildness of Sinai was give to Moses by Yahweh our Elohim to Show HIM (Moses) that Everything is made and operate by this PATTERN. That TABERNACLE (PATTERN) Which Moses saw was ELOHIM. Moses Saw in a Vision while on top Mt Sinai Yahweh transform into Elohim Exodus 24:9:10 “Then went Up Moses, and Aaron Nadab, and Abihu and seventy of the elders of Israel: And they saw the Elohim of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness.”
Now look this was Written way before Man could go out into outer space. The Earth looks like a Sapphire Stone.
Now that body of heaven in his Clearness is Yahweh (Spirit) taking on a shape and a forum as Elohim (the Word or Son)
When you see the word (WORD) came unto somebody it not that bible it is Elohim is that Word. They are having a Vision not a Version.
Genesis 15:1 After these things the word of Yahweh came unto Abram in a vision.
All you make is statement about AMEN-RA.
A Written fact that has been research about Egypt History is this: There are Gods and Goddess of Egyptian Culture. Right within that one word Culture is Cult. You and Your One sided view of Egyptian History can not change it. The Very First Word that comes into connect with Amen-Ra is gods and goddess of Egypt.
They’re NO (Not One) Historic fact that DO state that Ancient Egypt Was a Monotheistic Society. (ONLY Pharoah Akhenaten was Monotheistic) The Pharoah Akhenaten introduces the Worship of One Supreme being (Monotheism). And When Akhenaten died they (Egyptian) went back to there same belief Culture of Polytheisms. (The WORSHIP of MANY Gods.)
So, If you think that these research have lie on your God and they are wrong. You need to tell them to Correct Every last History book Every Last Encyclopedia, Etymology Every last Dictionary References and web site.
Yahweh is One. NOT many gods no co-god no co-creator. There can only be One.
Kered says:
1.But According to the Ennead “8 Dieties” were created along with “ATUM” or “Amen” which made “(9)”…..and where do you think the Catholics get that word “AMEN” from……Hmmm
Edrina Answer: Are you reading what you Write: Deity, idols (AMEN) A Man A men.
Ennead were the nine great Osirian gods: Atum, Shu, Tefnut, Geb, Nut, Osiris, Isis, Set and Nephthys. The Term is also used to describe the great council of gods as well as a collective term for all the gods.
Now each one of these gods performs a different purpose. So Atum (Amen) has co-partners like I said. There is NO Collection of Deity, IDOLS in Heaven with Yahweh, Only with AMEN-Ra.
Use the COMMON Sense that your Creator gives You. If you made something why would you give the credit to another. There is no story in the Bible that Yahweh gives credit to any idol. Yahweh said he Destroy Egypt and brought plagues. Yahweh said he Destroy Sodom and Gomorrah Yahweh, Said to Moses I will get my glory.
Yahweh said, “The Burden of Egypt. Behold, Yahweh rideth upon a swift cloud, and shall come into Egypt: and the idols of Egypt shall be moved at his presence, and the heart of Egypt shall melt in the midst of it. And I (Yahweh) will set the Egyptians against the Egyptians: and they shall fight every one against his neighbor; city against city, and kingdom against kingdom. And the Spirit of Egypt shall fail in the midst thereof; and I (Yahweh) will destroy the counsel thereof: and they shall seek to the idols, and to the charmer, and to them that have familiar spirits, and to wizards.”
And Yahweh shall be known to Egypt, and the Egyptians shall know Yahweh in that day, and shall do sacrifice and oblation; yea, they shall vow a vow unto Yahweh and perform it.
So Why does Isaiah speak of the Egyptian confusion? Turn away from the worships of “Deity and false idols”.
There can ONLY be One.
January 6, 2009 at 5:02 am |
Sam: Sorry for the Type Errror.
Type Word Error (Sacrifice) Satisfy
Type Word Error (Scarification) Satisfaction.
December 31, 2008 at 8:31 am
Edrina miss type a two words in the sentences below.
1.First Dr. Kinley said he had a Divine Vision and Revelation given to him by GOD (Yahweh) himself in the year of 1931. But, He said don’t take my word for it but make me prove to you are (Satisfy). (Paraphrasing) Now each one has are own level (Satisfaction). One person may take a little another make may take a lot.
When in Error of thing It nothing to say that I Am error.
January 6, 2009 at 3:18 pm |
Gee Edrina……
Your Mind is “Shackled” more than I thought……Like I said before you can “Quote” the BIBLE as to what “Yahweh” said:
But what you can not “PROVE” is the Existance of a “Hebrew” or “Yahweh” BEFORE the year 2000b.c.e……
If he was not the CREATOR before 2000b.c.e……then how can he be the creator after the fact???????
Please read the BIBLE CAREFULLY…..”Yahweh” clearly states that he is the “GOD” of “Israel” First…..Can I Prove it…YES
The fairy tale story of Adam/Eve describes the beginning of the “HEBREW”….Correct And Yahweh is to lead the Hebrew to the Promised land…which is “Israel”…Correct Now, lets look on the map and see just where Israel is located and HOW BIG IT IS……Keep in mind the “FACT” of CIVILIZATION” being here before ADAM/EVE….
It must be an “ENSLAVED” mind to BELIEVE that a MADE up god named “YAHWEH” is the CREATOR of all when he has CHOSEN a “SELECT” few to be his people and LEAD them to a country that is not bigger than the state of RHODE ISLAND……..When in “FACT” PEOPLE were here THOUSANDS of years …..”BEFORE” adam/eve…..
Before the HEBREW came “Unto”himself or before he was “CIVILIZED”….there was “NO” Distinction of “Religion” among the people who was “Already Civilised” on this earth…..They all believed in the same GOD and “ONE” Religion…….
The man that changed that one Religion was “Amenhotp IV or Ahkenaten”…….
It is said that we have a “History” of Ahkenaten and a “Memory” of Moses….Why is that?
We have “Physical evidence” of Ahkenaten but only stories of “Moses”….Which should tell you that Moses and Ahkenaten is one in the same person……
PLEASE READ ABOUT AHKENATEN….YOU WILL FIND THAT HIS “MOTHER” WAS A “HEBREW”……HE WAS DRIVEN OUT OF KEMET/EGYPT BECAUSE HE STARTED A “NEW” RELIGION…..HE TOOK HIS FOLLOWERS TO “MOUNT SINAI”…….THERE HE WAS KILLED BY HIS OWN FOLLOWERS……
I gave you eveidence of the existence of CIVILIZATION well before the story of ADAM/EVE……And you still “Contend” with ADAM/EVE….GEEEZ
Fact:
Their is “NO” evidence that we had on this “EARTH” prior to 2000b.c.e::::
1). A Hebrew
2). A god named Yahweh
3). A Tabernacle
We have among us today FACTS from people who wrote and studied and found “FACTS” and “EVIDENCE” who are from different Religious backgrounds…..People who practise “Judiasm, Christianity, Islam….People who were here BEFORE Dr. Kinley are bringing these “FACTS” to the “FOREFRONT”
And as it was in the “BEGINNING” so shall it be in the “END”……And I am not speaking about that fairy tale story of ADAM/EVE.
But believe what you will……
I find it very “Disturbing” that people like Edrina and Sam and those of the IDMR and others are Praising the people of “Israel” and the God of “Israel”……when those people do not “Identify” with what you are PRAISING………
QUESTION?????……….How many different “Sects” we have of Yahweh?
We have Hundreds of congregations praising “YAHWEH” in different doctrines…..So whats going to happen is “Yahweh” will put all you people against one another and the confusion will never end until you kill each other off…….Can I Prove it….Yes.
The people in the “Middle-East” have been killing each other off for centuries……And “Israel” is in the Middle of it……and it going on as we speak today.
PEACE in the name of Amen-Ra
January 6, 2009 at 4:39 pm |
Edrina:
You said that you and your IDMR members do not PRAISE a MAN……
If you read my first Blog I said I used to attend these classes for a few months…..I have seen your members get up there and “Worship” Dr. Kinley….Calling him “YAHWEH” and “YAHSHUA” in the flesh…..
You can not deny what I have proven to you…..
Can you deny how the number 9 is DIVINE and how it operates like no other number and how it relates to the “Ennead of Heliopolis”????
Yes…the people of Kemet/Egypt had other “Dieties”……BUT……if you read and understand the “Philosophy” of that…you would see that they never “SAID” Tehuti/Thoth, Auset/Isis, Ausar/Osirius was the CREATOR of ALL……..Thoth, Isis, Osirius are “GREEK names….and remember the GREEKS came on the scene around 1000b.c.e………
But I must say to you Edrina that you have “Validated” what I have been telling you about CREATION……The truth is right before your eyes yet you refuse to see it….
I told you there were 3 creation stories told in Kemet…..RIGHT? And we can Translate that as being 3 visions/revelations of creation because “SOMEONE” had to be a witness to tell those 3 theories…Correct.?
Now pay attention……
In your on words from the BIBLE you QUOTE it is said that “MOSES” received (3) visions/revelations on Mount Sinai….Correct?
This is “PROOF” of what I am telling you because “HISTORY” can prove that those CREATION theories from “KEMET” PREDATES that of the MODERN day BIBLE…………
Again Edrina…the bible is a “PLAGARIZATION” from the Religion of KEMET…..Like it or not…AND THE PROOF IS WRITTEN ALL IN THE BIBLE…….
IT IS SAID THAT THE SAFEST PLACE TO HIDE THE TRUTH IS WRITTEN IN PLAIN SIGHT…….BUT YOUR MIND MUST FIRST BE UNLOCKED TO RECOGNIZE IT
Peace to you Edrina
January 7, 2009 at 3:14 pm |
Please tell me how many sects you know of that praise Yahweh?
Also yes the people in Irasel dont agree with what we are preaching, why? Because they are in Judaism majority of them.
Judaism- believing that the Yahshua the Messiah is not “God” coming to rescue his people from his sins. So they only believe in Yahweh thats being talked bout in the Torah (first five books of Moses)
Because of that their is seperation point blank.
LOLZ at your story ok check this out:
Adam/Eve tells about the beginning of creation the beginning of the Hebrew chain. Check it, adam/eve were first on the planet with a conscious knowing of “God” as i would state. Now technically we dont know if there was civilization outside the Garden. As a matter fact your story could ride along side with the story of Adam/Eve.
Yes one language, there was never any religion, religion is made man and thats the difference between us. Never was a church but a temple/synagouge, also was suppose to be an assembly not church as well. Here look:
Church (taken from dictionary.com)
1. a building for public Christian worship.
2. public worship of God or a religious service in such a building: to attend church regularly.
3. (sometimes initial capital letter) the whole body of Christian believers; Christendom.
Now Church is associated with nothing but Christian believers. Hell half the Christian world has no idea who Christendom is and how he separated from the Roman Catholic Sect. Unbelievable.
We all dont worship the same person, “God” is merely a title and not a name. All Gods have a name and you know that. So i would assume we can agree on that.
Basically point blank, Yahweh proved he was the only by making your Egypt Gods and Pharoahs look terrible. Not only just him but he EliYAH and YHWH LOL when they had the showdown with Baal!!!!
Ok on to what members do in IDMR, we as individual are not responsible for what someone else does. Dr. Kinley taught that there was only one name unto salvation and that was Yahweh and Yahshua the Messiah. One person in class doesn’t speak for the whole institute. Ive seen it myself where Dr. Kinley is preached upon more than Yahshua and sometimes it drives me crazy even though most people say we are referring to his spirit. But you Kered have to understand this point just like most people cant seem to realize this as well. There is an opposing force.
We both agree there is a “negative” entity working in the mist. Correct?!?! There will never be a “perfect” place to go, where everyone is along the same accord. Why? Because even where the truth is preached negativity will follow. Why? Because that negative entity has to keep up with the game of the righteous. Therefore that whys the negative entity cant make a move until the righteous makes a move so he can copy it and try to twist it or basically “INFILTRATE” the position.
You have to walk with him yourself.
You can only speak for yourself so when u speak in class no one else can vouch for you. You speak on what Yahweh has revealed onto you. Now that doesnt mean its right its just your take on that particular subject.
We are all witnesses. (i.e. Crime Scence)
-Someone robs a bank
-They ask Kered, what did you see?
-He says i saw a guy in a black hat and brown jacket
They ask Edrina what did you see?
-I saw a someone carry a money bag and they had a black hat and brown jacket on
They aske me what did i see?
-I seen someone with a black hat and brown jacket walk out of a bank and hop in a F150.
Now we are all witnesses to ONE crime, just from different angles. You can only speak for yourself because in the end, he is judging you on your works and deeds not Edrina for what she said in IDMR on the stage floor or someone random person. You have to know in your heart and when you speak you have to speak the truth bottom line.
Now the difference between us and you Kered is that, you believe in many GODS you believe Atum is the creator, but it took TWO gods to form the one Amen Ra. We believe in the one, there is no GREATER, hes name means “self existent” that’s very powerful. Yes there are so many many sects, but which one is correct. One which is preaching about Yahweh and Yahshua as a whole. Furthermore you never answer my question on this:
How can you discredit the yahshua the messiah?
*One there are many Greek Scholars & Historians that say he was around in that time.
-Josephus Floreus (mispelled)
-Eurebis
*both at the same time, descirbe the Jewish War, fall of Jerusalem, and both say that Yahshua the messiah died preaching Yahweh’s Kingdom and reappeared to his followers. So how you discredit them when they say, the messiah was preaching about Yahweh and his kingdom himself?
January 7, 2009 at 3:19 pm |
***sorry about mis-spelled words, at work. Little grammar mistakes as well.
-Sam
January 7, 2009 at 4:06 pm |
Hello Sam and Edrina!
Sam you fail to read what I post……I said that you cannot find “EVIDENCE” of YAHWEH or YASHUA “Before” 2000b.c.e
Yes they came on the scene or should I say “made up” somewhere between 2000b.c.e and 1700b.c.e….The Civilization of Kemet/Egypt was going into its 18th Dynastic Era at that time or “The New Kingdom”……..
Sam my Brotha……I gave you an example of what I am trying to get across to you……
If you have a 10 year old child and the parents are 50 years old and that 10 year old is teaching the Parents about Life, then I say to you that your family is “dysfunctional”……
All the Religions of this modern day world……are nothing but CHILDREN of the Parents who gave them “BIRTH”…… and that “Parent” is…..Kemet/Egypt…..and at that time Kemet was considered to be “Upper and Lower” Kemet which comprised of “Sudan, Ethiopia and Cush”…….
I am not speaking about the Egypt of Today because those people over there right now are “NOT” the Original people from “Kemet”……
Now thats as plain and simple as I can get Sam……….
And you “CANNOT” deny the “FACTS and “EVIDENCE” that Civilization was here before we had a Hebrew, Judaeo-christianity, Islam, Greece or Rome…….
Your scenario of what diference it makes to have “Physical Evidence” was absolutely “Rediculous”…..
Sam….If a women claim that you “Raped” her and you are found guilty without any “Physical Evidence” which would include DNA……they send you to prison for 40 years just on “Circumstantial Evidence” and you only knew the women by “Association”…..how would you feel?????……..
Better yet Sam….Have you seen the Movie “Shawshank Redemption”?…..That was based on a true story……The guy was sent to prison for “Life” based on “Circumstantial Evidence”…….
What you are being taught in the IDMR is really screwing up your “Common Sense”………
SAM……You can go online and Look up the differnt “Sects” that Praise Yahweh……Please do not try and “Pretend” like you are not aware of the different “Sects” of Yahweh…….If you like I can give you the names of them……….
I will give you One……”The House of Yahweh”….Lead by a man Named……”Yishrayl Hawkins”…..I might have his first named spelled incorrectly…….A man of “Flesh and Bones” just like Dr. Kinley……Who claimed to have had a “Vision/Revelation” just like Dr. Kinley…….
Better Yet…..What about….”Yahweh Ben Yahweh”???……..
GEEEZZZZ…………I can go on and on
Peace my brotha….
January 7, 2009 at 6:59 pm |
Hello Edrina and Sam!!!
Check out this website……It “Validates” everything I have told you…..It clearly states that the “First Hebrew” was “Abraham who came on the scene in 1800b.c.e…….Please read the article.
Then scroll thru the website to your left and click on….”Dawn of Civilization”…….And see what it tells you…..That article was written by “Gaston Maspero” in the 18th century…..
He will tell you in the first Paragraph that “Civilization” was here on this Earth in Kemet/Egypt along the “Nile River”…..at least 11,000 years “BEFORE” the “Messhia…….
In the Heading below the title of the article……he gives the Date/Start of the “First Dynasty”……5800b.c.e
The Epoch of the first dynasty started around 3900b.c.e and the “First Monarch” or King or Pharoah was “Menes”……which the “Greeks Called him……”Zjoer or Djozer” is his African name……Kemet/Egypt is in Africa by the way…..
Please Wake Up…….ADAM/EVE has nothing to do with CREATION….Its a made-up Fairy Tale…..
Peace my Brotha and Sista…
January 7, 2009 at 8:28 pm |
I will look at your website when i get the chance. But yes i do some of the other sects. Those are the only ones that i know of honestly, IDMR, House of Yahweh, and i heard of Yahwehn Ben Yahweh, but im not too sure about his sect. Early on they were killing people and asking to bring back heads so “off the path” to me. But as far as House of Yahweh, whats wrong with a man getting a vision, why do you place a limit on the creator. Many people can get visions or divine vision, it all depends on whether or not what the phrophet says, “comes true or not” verse for that in the bible.
But bottom line if Adam/Eve or other creation fairy tales, the bottom line is, we are all traced back to one man/one woman! You can denounce that.
Kered says:
If you have a 10 year old child and the parents are 50 years old and that 10 year old is teaching the Parents about Life, then I say to you that your family is “dysfunctional”……
Sam syas:
You are thinking too physical man and not spirtual. Yes physical and spiritual go hand and hand but spiritual supersedes. A 10yr old child teaching stuff that it took Scholars and Priest years to comprehend and he does it in a short period of time is not dysfunctional but heavenly! In our world thats unnatural so that would mean he has to be spiritual inclined. (son of man) conscious of the father and knowing.
Think about it, You probably 25+ you have a kid 5yrs. Whether you believe it or not, that kid is the same age as you spiritually! Why? Because we are all spirit entities, we all come from the same spot! But here on the earth plane he is younger.
You can take stuff physcial stuff and compare to whats right in our world because our world is already backwards to how the spirit realm is.
January 7, 2009 at 8:28 pm |
*cant (in the last sentence)
January 7, 2009 at 10:30 pm |
Sam….I have some mispelled words also
correction on “messiah”…….
January 8, 2009 at 2:05 am |
YOUR BODY PROVE THAT EXISTENCE “EVIDENCE”
Again Yahweh has Existence before any thing was: Before 2000 b.c.e. There was Human being Animals, Plants, etc… Like I said before If the Creator of Heavens and Earth made it would he put his stamp on it? Like a Common Sense person would put that Name on a label or design. Just like you put your Name on your blog. It so Simple…
The Human body is before the build of a man structure. So let examine the body because we all know that Human body is not made or put together by A MAN: Your body will tell the History of Yahweh because it is his.
Also, I state the BIBILE was written before Scientists (Modern Day) understanding of the human body.
Human body: The circulatory system is as a branching tree (the Tree of life). These branches branch off in Y’s. Now let take something more COMPLEX The Spinal Nerves of there are 31 pairs proceeding out of the Spinal Cord (31×2=62) and the terminal thread of the Cord called the Filum Terminale, is the 63rd nerve and all 63 nerves conform unto the 63 generations of the flesh from Adam to Yahshua the Messiah.
Let look at the MALE sex cell (sperm) Head region (Yahweh), body (Elohim) and tail (Yahshua). And when the sperm cell has been magnified thousands of times its shape and form of the spinal cords of the embryo and adult.
You have Red blood, Cell White Blood Cells and Platelets. WHY is that?
Your Vertebral Column has 33 vertebrae (also called the backbone, spine, or spinal column and are irregular in shape. Why is that? Could it be that Yahshua the Messiah died of the cross at 33? Your backbone gives up the ability to walk UP RIGHT.
Your Finger only has 3 digits but its One finger. Why because Yahweh our Elohim are and Yahshua the Messiah are One.
Again You have a thigh, calf and foot but there is Only One Leg You have a Left and Right Leg if you count them together it would give you 2 thigh 2 calf and 2 feet, which would equal 6. Now you have two Arm (2) Shoulder, (2) elbow and (2) Wrist, which equal 6. Now add those parts that carry your Body (Tabernacle) around equal 12. Why is that? Yahweh said, Let the tribes of Israel encamp around the Tabernacle in the Wildness of Sinai.
The Tabernacle had 4 sides (East: Zebulon, Judah, and Issachar. North: Dan, Asher and Naphtali. West: Benjamin Manasseh and Ephraim and South: Gad, Simeon and Reuben) These are the 12 tribes of Israel. There were 3 tribes per side. 3×4=12 and the 12 disciples that gather around Yahshua the Messiah.
And Yahweh, Which was that Cloud in the wildness moves That Tabernacle in the wildness of Sinai moved. Likewise, Yahweh dwells in Your Most Holy Place Head Area (Brain) and tells your tabernacle to move.
When you look at the Vertebral the Ribs attach you have 12 on The Right and 12 on the Left that 24. Now like I said Yahshua the Messiah have 12 apostles and there were 12 tribes Encamped around. That 24. That is why when you read the bible and says,
“Wherefore take unto you the whole armor of Yahweh, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and done all, to stand. Stand therefore, having your girt about with Truth, and having on the BREASTPLATE OF RIGHTEOUSENSS; and you feet shod with the preparation of the Gospel of Peace; above all taking the Shield of Faith, where with you shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. And take the Helmet of Salvation, and the Sword of the Spirit which is the Word of Yahweh”
Now that Area BREASTPLATE is reference to Human Anatomy BECAUSE it cover your of vital organs (heart).
That Tabernacle which pitch in the Wildness had 206 Pillars and Boards and Bar in total sum. The Your Tabernacle (Body) has 206 bones. There was a gate You stand UP Right It call a gate between you Legs.
Now lets take something from when a Woman has a baby since you said you have been to a Class. In Class we teach by BLOOD (Death, Yahweh) Water (Burial, Elohim) and Spirit (Resurrection, Yahshua) and 40.
Now it takes 40 weeks to have a baby or 9 months. Moses was 40 years old when he kills the Egyptian (THERE A SHOW OF BLOOD OR DEATH) and buried (burial) him in the sand then he fled to the wildest or (Resurrected) out in the wildest.
It takes 40 weeks to have a baby When the time come there will be a show of BLOOD, Then that WATER breaks, and That baby Yells for AIR (Spirit).
There are Only 3 Phsyical object that Yahweh told Man to build: 1. Noah Ark 2. Taberablce.and 3. Solomon Temple. They testifiy to The Father(Yahweh) the Word (Elohim) and the Holy Spirit (Yahshua). These 3 Phsycial Object Testify to Yahweh Unity of the Spirit.
Now Look Noah Ark had Upper Deck (Yahweh) Middle Deck (Elohim) and Lower Deck (Yahshua) There was only One window and One door. These is still One Ark. That is why the Messsiah said, “I am the Door”.
Solomon Temple: (1) The Oracle or Most Holy Place(1 king 6:19) (2) The Sancturary, greater House or Holy Place (2 Chronicles 3:5) The Porch or Outer Court (2Chronicles 3:4) There were 3 comparement but One Temple.
Yahweh, who is Spirit this is His Pure Spirit of existence (John 4:24), consists of nine (9) principal Divine attributes; Intelligence,Wisdom, Knowledge, Love, Justice, Beauty, Foundation, Power, and Strength.
Tabernacle had a Most Holy Place a Holy Place and Court that went round about (Outer Court) There where three compartments but one Tabernacle. In the Most Holy Place was Ark of the Covenant and it s 2 cherubims of Glory with their wings overshadowing the Mercy Seat. (Now 3 here) In the Holy Place was Alter of Incense, 7 Branch Lampstand and Table of Shewbread. (Now 3 here) In the Court that Went round about was the Cup of Holy Anointing Oil the Brazen Laver and Altar of Sin Sacrifice. (Now there 3 here) 3+3+3=9. There are 7 plane in the Taberancle It the number 7 Denotes Perfection. The Number 8 means New Beginning. The Human body has 9 System: There are 9 Plants All these thing abide in One Universe.
And Kered: Explain why and what is there relationship with AMEN-RA (9).
I can show you the relationship between Yahweh Elohim and Yahshua Messiah. I tell why the MOON show you only One side of face and the Phases of the Moon.
“There is ONE body, and ONE Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling” (ephesians 4:4)
The ELECTROMAGNETIC SPECTRUM: Televison,Radio, Microwaves,Infrared Rays, Visible, Ulra-violet, X-rays,Garama Rays, and Cosmic Rays. (9)
These rays of energy traveling at the speed of light are physical a mnifestation of the true light of the world, that being Yahshua the Messiah (John 1:4) who came forth from the tribe of Judah; which number 186,400.
To show that He is the true and only light of the world, we must use the physical light of the Sun. This portion of the spectrum is called VISIBLE LIGHT.
By using the Prism and the Rays of the white light it has the affect of Colors: RED, ORANGE,YELLOW,GREEN, BLUE VIOLET and BLACK LIGHT(end of Spectrum) 7
Why is that because Yahweh says, “light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days. Isaiah 30:26
See its hard for anyone to understand Spirit when We have only 5 Sense. We are limit and in are Understanding of Spirit. That why It is nessary to use something Physically made because. Everything made comes From Spirit.
“Quote” from my son: “I can believe in something that I can See or Feel”.
My answer is always this We with are Natural 5 sense cannot Comprehend Air (h2o, Water) in its Pure State: But look Air has to take on a shape on form or beark itself down so that We with are natural 5 sense can comprehend SEE it. Then it does it again for us Air it break itself all the way down to it lowest state solid which we can examine we can feel it . And Air is in us WE breath it We drink it and we move around about it. And Still its H2O in All it state it is still H20 Water. One
That Is that Spirit: Yahweh Elohim Yahshua these 3 are One not 3 diffenerent thing but One Yahweh is Elohim Yahweh is Yahshua. One Spirit and 2 manfestation of One spirit.
Just like H20 only has 2 mafestation after it Gas state. Liquid and Solid.
Now explain AMEN-RA though that Life giving substance. All any living creature on this earth CANNOT live without H2O that Water.
Kered says:
1. But what you can not “PROVE” is the Existance of a “Hebrew” or “Yahweh” BEFORE the year 2000b.c.e……
Edrina Answer:
Gensis 2:7 Yahweh Elohim formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living Soul.
Now Frist Yahweh call Man Soul in the bible reference NOT (Egyptain, Greek,American Black, white nor Hebrew) But Soul. Later on he divide the nation. After Cain slain his brother Yahweh put a mark on Him Cain (666, A MAN) and Seth became the Righteous Generations and Cain had UnRighteous. In the purpose of Yahweh. To Show Man that Righteous and UnRighteous are runs side-by-side.
Just like a Light Bulb is Run togetheir a Negative and Postive in order for it to function.
Kered says:
1. Sam & Edrina: January 2, 2009 at 5:09 pm
2.
The reason why the BIBLE does not give any indication of Abrahams PARENTS is because ABRAHAM never EXISTED: Abraham is a “Figment” of someones IMAGINATION……95% of Todays BIBLES are made up stories…..
Why does Kered says, “95% of Todays BIBILES are made up stories? But Then turn around and from “Quote” the same bible to try and PROVE the exitance of AMAN-Ra. Which of the 5% of the Bible are you use KERED just the one that fit what your belief.
Kered Quote: PLEASE READ ABOUT AHKENATEN….YOU WILL FIND THAT HIS “MOTHER” WAS A “HEBREW”……
Examine that which you have ask If Ankenaten mother was a Hebrew why would he change the gods of his father(s) kingdom?
Ankentatem mother Tiye (c. 1398 BC – 1338 BC) was the Chief Queen of Amenhotep III and matriarch of the Amarna family. Her parents Were Amarna: Tjuyu, Tiye’s mother was Egyptian (a descendant of Ahmose-Nefertari), and it appears from his mummy that her father, Yuya, may have been of Asiatic descent. So are you saying that Nefertari was Hebrew? Now that a new one for me… (To hear that Ahkenaten had Hebrew mother.)
But still Kered is only for a short period of the Egpytian History after his death like I said, they EARSE his name and begain again In the worshiping of many gods and goddness. THEY (Egyptian) were a PLOYTHESTIC CULTURE.
Like you said, Amen-Ra was the god of the Ancient Egyptian. Why would Akenaten start worship ATEN Aten (or Aton) was the disk of the sun in ancient Egyptian mythology, and originally an aspect of Ra. He became the deity of the monotheistic — in fact, monistic — religion of Amenhotep IV, who took the name Akhenaten. The worship of Aten seemed to stop shortly after Akhenaten’s death. In his poem “Hymn to Aten,” Akhenaten praises Aten as the creator, and giver of life.
If AMEN is Among the gods who were known to the Egyptians in very early times were Amen and his consort Ament, and their names are found in the Pyramid Texts, e.g., Unas, line 558, where they are mentioned immediately after the pair of gods Nau and Nen, and in connection with the twin Lion-gods Shu and Tefnut, who are described as the two gods who made their own bodies, and with the goddess Temt, the female counterpart of Tem.
RA’S position in the pantheon is unusual. He is the only god, apart from Osiris, who is definitely said to be not on the earth. Ra, it is said, is an aging god, still powerful, but too old to deal with his children any longer, so he has gone exclusively to the sky to watch over the world. Horus rules over the earth and the gods in his stead, demonstrating the divine right of kingship.
Now the simple question you need to ask YOURSELF Why does god need to change his name it he had already been know by the father of Amenhotep III?
Ahkenaten is a small wee bit of Egyptian History and Saying that the Whole believe in ONLY ONE. When Research correctly You will find out this is not So. It is totally false.
I have no problem saying that oldest man structure found to this date date back to Africa before it was divide up. I Know that. But a Structure is limit sooner or later it destroy took apart or just disappears in time.
But the Human body has stood the test of time. Examine your body and see if it fits the pattern of Creator.
The Information come from Gods and Goddess of Egyptian History:
There can be Only One
January 8, 2009 at 3:01 pm |
Hello Edrina!!!
You are aware of the history of Kemet Yet you still believe That “Yahweh” is the CREATOR of ALL when you yourself know that he was “NEVER” mentioned anywhere in the HISTORY of KEMET until the time somewhere around 1800b.c.e…………
So again my question to you is ………HOW CAN HE BE THE CREATOR OF ALL WHEN CREATION WAS ALREADY HERE??????
Its up to you and anybody else to believe what you want……but the TRUTH is starting to come forth from all different angles……People from all Religious backgrounds are bringing these FACTS to the FOREFRONT…..
Its obvious you have read “Some” history of Kemet but you have “YET” to “GRASP” the “CONCEPT” of its Religion and Culture…..Satan has “DISTORTED” the “TRUTH” with these “Modern Day” Religions and like I said before…..When you die you will not see any “YAHWEH” or “YAHSHUA”…
PEACE…….
January 8, 2009 at 3:29 pm |
Edrina I am still in “AWE” over your last post……..You sound like a “Brainwashed” person with no hope…..Your mind has been shut down yet you are a living soul……
I said there are “MANY” sects that PRAY to “YAHWEH”…….
The “House of Yahweh”……which was founded by a man who had a vision/revelation just like Dr. Kinley preaches a different “DOCTRINE” than the IDMR…….Now this is only “ONE” of “Hundreds” of Sectd TODAY that preach about “Yahweh”…..
One of you are right and the others are wrong…………If we gather all of the people from all of the “DIFFERENT” faiths of “YAHWEH”….I will put my head on the “CHOPPING BLOCK” that all of you will end up killing one another………because you have different “DOCTRINES” of “YAHWEH”……
“YAHWEH” is “Blowing Smoke up the Cula of you people”……..Or…….is it because “YAHWEH” is a ‘Made up God”……he can be used in any fashion that people desire……..
Peace in the name of AMEN-RA
January 8, 2009 at 6:37 pm |
Just like I said Kered all you do is spit words towards me about what I have stated about the belief structure of AMEN-Ra. Still you cant give me NOT ONE PHYSICAL “PROOF” your Evidence about Amen-Ra IN the HUMAN BODY.
It a naturally occur event happen when a person cannot prove what that say they began to act like a CHILD and do the OLD Fashion name calling game or start taking about the person not the Subject at Hand. Which is the Soul.
Like I Said it would have better for you to say that you believe in the OLDEST record gods and goddness in a Stone Structure over there in Ancient Egyptian. Then it I would could began from there instead of starting with Amen-Ra. Then to say or Refer to that Amen-Ra was there main god which is Not True. It’s a Johnny come lately in the Egyptian History.
I have give you Proof that in the History of Egypt there was ONLY ONE KING which was Akenaten believe in a subreme being which was Aten and NOT AMEN-RA. You said that his mother was a Herbrew I prove to you That His mother Tiye was not. I have give the Proof alone side the web site that state that Anient Egypt and today Egyptian Worship many gods. To day in Egypt there Are Christendom, Muslim, Islamic, Jews and that list can go on. It just a reflection of what happen in Ancient Egypt. Also, I have correct you on Who Moses parent were and the father of Abram. I have try to show you that Yahweh did not call man first Hebrew Greek Black white etc. But a live Soul.
I have ask question after question which you still have not answer or maybe you just cant answer them. That fine because some times we just don’t know. And just dont want to say it. I know that your mad at what occur in the class that you went to. I say for myself I am truly Sorry for what ever happen.
But it does dismiss Yahweh. People are People we are limit like I said we error we make bad chioces. We do dumb thing in life. But, see when Yahweh give you another chance to come to clear and more profound understanding at least see if it True or Not. Yahweh can be so simple that a child can understand him and he can be so Complex that we still can understand him.
So if you believe that Aman-Ra is the Creator of Heaven and Earth and all the thing that are see and unseen. Would HE (AMAN-Ra) Explain hisself right within you? Couldn’t Everything Not Somethings be Explain by AMAN-RA? So there would be No doubt that He is God of Gods King of Kings and everything else are just idols. So There Would Be NO EXCUSE who made you and they You would give Your Honour and Prasies to that Creator not another. Because like I said before Its One Creator One Creation One Universe You have One Body and One Soul.
Love and peace to all in The Name Of Yahweh OUR Elohim and Yahshua the Messiah who save MY SOUL.
Oh Yeah! The Name Yahweh is use in many place. But the understand that Yahweh Elohim and Yahshua are all one is NOT. I am not wait on a god to return. I do not worship A Man. I know that Yahweh is in me and I am him. I am not apart from Yahweh.
Just like Now AMEN-Ra Amun and other Anicent Egyptian gods and goddess are worship now and each site go to is a different understanding they cannot agree of who gods is.
January 8, 2009 at 7:36 pm |
Kered question:
1. So again my question to you is ………HOW CAN HE BE THE CREATOR OF ALL WHEN CREATION WAS ALREADY HERE??????
Edrina Answer:
I don’t know how well you have study Anicent Egyptian but most of there History is about them. And it simple to If I have Family or if I am a Kingdom and there are other Know worshiper of something else why would include them on my story My history. Remember Greek came on scence some or later also Asiatic History and It took Greek History or Latian to Understand Egyptian History. There are picture of other people or Nation on Tombs and Who are things people? You would draw picture of many different Colours if they weren’t there.
If you every get the chance to Read Japan History from the view point believe me China would lesser to them during there History and there a blood relative. So, like as a History View is always start off with the View Point of the Largest Unify Nation. But as always, Somer or later Some One comes alone and Correct them and say no thats not the way it happen.
American History was Written by White America they White Historian left all the Black who invent anything Call Native American and Africa Wild beast that they had No Culture at all. Then someOne comes alone and prove that they where Wrong in the history account what happen. Remember that has been history account when another Nation has a ConQuest of another Nation they try to wipe them from history.
Japan has done this Euperon has done Africa Nations has done they all have done this.
Like I said before THE Greatest Explaination that I can give you is the Human body to say Yahweh was here before any Strcuture. Because before you can write anything there must be Writer. Before you build anything there must be a Builder. The Human Body comes before any thing that is physically made.
I hope this answer the question.
There can Only be One
January 8, 2009 at 9:22 pm |
Hi Edrina!!!
Its nothing personal against you so I hope you are not taking it that way…..
Everything in the “UNIVERSE” was made by the “First” CREATOR documented in HISTORY……I gave you websites to JUDGE for yourself…
Just like there are 3 different accounts of “Moses” receiving a vision/revelation from “YAHWEH”…..We have 3 Theories of CREATION that was given to us from the ORIGINAL people of KEMET and these 3 Theories “PREDATE” Moses……..
Why does “YAHWEH” continue to give out “Different” visions/revelations to “Different People”??????
He gave Moses a different one, he gave your Founder a different one, He gave Yisharyl Hawkins the founder of the “House of Yahweh” a different one……..and he gave many other people of today who use YAHWEH as their CREATOR Different “Doctrines” of himself…….
Does “Yahweh” know how he want his people to worship him?????…..It sounds like “Yahweh” is very confused….
So that right there should prove to you that what you have in these BIBLES of today are nothing more than….”PLAGARIZATIONS” of the TRUTH…….
January 8, 2009 at 9:59 pm |
Hi Edrina…….
Here is something that may help you understand the Religion of Kemet….
“The ONE Is ALL”……….
The Ancient Egyptians believed in One God who was self-produced, self-existent, immortal, invisible, eternal, omniscient, almighty, etc. This One God was never represented. It is the functions and attributes of his domain that were represented.
These attributes were called the neteru (pronounced net-er-u, singular: neter in the masculine form and netert in the feminine form). The term, gods, is a misrepresentation of the Egyptian term, neteru.
When we ask, “Who is God?” we are really asking, “What is God?”. The mere name or noun does not tell us anything. One can only define “God” through the multitude of “his” attributes / qualities / powers / actions. This is the only logical way, because if we refer to, say, a person as Mr. X, it means nothing to us. However, once we describe his attributes and qualities, we then begin to know him. A person who is an engineer, a father, a husband … etc. does not have poly-personalities, but rather a mono-personality with multiple functions/attributes. For the Ancient and Baladi Egyptians, the concept of God is similar.
To know “God” is to know the numerous qualities of “God”. The more we learn of these qualities (known as neteru), the closer we are getting to our divine origin. Far from being a primitive, polytheistic form, this is the highest expression of monotheistic mysticism.
“The One Joined Together”……..
In Ancient Egyptian traditions, Ra represents the primeval, cosmic, creative force. The Litany describes Ra as the One Joined Together, Who Comes Out of His Own Members. The Ancient Egyptian definition of Ra is the perfect representation of the Unity that comprises the putting together of the many diverse entities, i.e. The One Who is the All.
The Litany of Ra describes the aspects of the creative principle: being recognized as the neteru (gods) whose actions and interactions in turn created the universe. As such, all the Egyptian neteru who took part in the creation process are aspects of Ra.
There are 75 forms or aspects of Ra. As such, Ra is often incorporated into the names of other neteru (gods) such as in Amen-Ra of Ta-Apet (Thebes), Ra-Atum of Onnu/Annu (Heliopolis), and Ra-Harakhte …etc.
The solar energy of the sun is only one of numerous manifestations of Ra. That Ra is not just the sun (only a singular form), was also confirmed in the following verse from the Story of Ra and Auset (Isis), in which Ra states….”I have multitude of names, and multitude of forms”.
January 11, 2009 at 5:13 am |
“CREATOR”……. It truly is crazy to talk of things that can not truly be unexplained about the past like what existed ; all you say is culter did not exist in a time BEFORE B.C. please do not say that because I Am a Cheerikee Indian and Black Foot root’s of this American land mixed with my father’s African root’s of a land I probly will never know mixed with my mother’s mother White Greatgrandfather whom family I don’t know at all, and still exist in the world as a culter of man, and women,……….and I know EACH ONE of my Creator’s of man Indian, Afican, and White worshipped their own God’s to their own Culture, but to say a culter of man did not exist because they are not you IS A INSULT ; When did the fist Indian come to America so they do not have God’s or beleafe of their God’s ? “What Ever” God is one God, but he forgives the One’s who do not Know so I pray God forgive YOU because you do not know!!!!!, but when you die, and your in front of your ceator GOD, and the many cultures of man, and women, and beast are their also ; what will his name be because you think you know, but the truth can hurt us all. Some say God made man to look like him because he say GOD made man in the image of he…….that’s right he as in male because MAN, Gorrillah, Ape’s, Lion’s, Tiger’s, and Bear’s plus the many other animal’s across the world that are made as male in the form as he so make no misteak of the God of Cultures, and his name is GOD…. so many names so many view’s yeah it’s a crazy world, and I see why it’s WAR in the World. Respect, Live, and let live is the LAW OF GOD………because I know if you or me was to be attacked by one of the animal’s from above the only name your gonna cry is GOD……….. this is a reply from IVAN GOD’S CHOSEN ONE, SHUA-SHUA the born Savior, NA’HEEM your SUN the SUN, ALLAH – ARM, LEG, LEG, ARM, HEAD……… A MAN of Culture’s! Keep pointing your view’s God is working right now he making me write this to you because he controll all thing’s I know him as God, and I am he in his DIVINE mercy. I was told death is all we have that’s surtane, and the only thing we have in comon on Earth, but thats not true …. thought, worship, money and God is apart of free will, and choice………..we can go through this all day or Forever! Satan has his follower’s, and that’s the balance of LIFE!!!! What is sin do we all have it? GOD OF THE UNIVERSE….. the creator so when the earth is destroyed or if ; will man talk of God or will we all know, and live with GOD in THE UNIVERSE OF GOD whether it’s Heavon or Hell because what you are tought or lurn may not be the coplete truth because every thing is for a reason this life is just a resting place between Heavon, and Hell in flesh that can also recieve one of the two while on Earth so choose your free will………because what you beleave is just ONE beleafe out of Billion’s.
January 12, 2009 at 9:13 am |
well as my grandmother once said ive looked around everywhere and havent found anything that teaches like the idmr.i personally have not gone to a class in well over 15years but you cannot deny there is some real knowledge there.as i have found in all religions you take the good and leave the rest.as i tell my son get spirituality not religion.over the past 40 years i have watched the idmr and much of my family is in the class or once were.and i do admit pretty much all in he idmr are well intentioned and are truly good people to spend as much of there time as they do to try to pass on what they have learned .as in any orginization you get people that get confused or misinformed over time and discrepencies occur.predictions of an end date should never have happened nor should the reinvention of dantes hell as t seems some had .what happens is people bring with them thier old ideas .they are told a messiah has come but yet still believe maybe he didnt conquer death and hell.to conquer is t own and there is no room for the negative spirit in a heavenly state as it is transformed from darkness to light the tools are no longer needed if our creator truly is the perfect father we all have no problem bowing to him we need not perpetuate this pure love into something negative.the idmr has an aims list and it encorages people to look into all ideas…for we learn from each and every one of us anyone can forget our goal and what we truly need the love of our creator so lets focus a little on lifting up instead of tearing down .when in doubt use your fathers eyes there is only one….i love every last one of you even those that are hard to love …good journey
January 12, 2009 at 3:48 pm |
Kered says,
He gave Moses a different one, he gave your Founder a different one, He gave Yisharyl Hawkins the founder of the “House of Yahweh” a different one……..and he gave many other people of today who use YAHWEH as their CREATOR Different “Doctrines” of himself…….
Does “Yahweh” know how he want his people to worship him?????…..It sounds like “Yahweh” is very confused….
So that right there should prove to you that what you have in these BIBLES of today are nothing more than….”PLAGARIZATIONS” of the TRUTH…….
Sam says,
Yahweh is the all in all. You forget this passage:
Isaiah 45:7 (Holy Name Bible)
“I form light and create darkness: I make peace, and create punishments: I Yahweh do all these things.”
*side note Holy Name Bible is just KJV with the SCARED NAMES put where they should be*
Also Yahweh has allow all that happen. Why because he has a purpose, a pattern and a plan.
Check Isaiah 55:8-9 (Holy Name Bible)
8For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith Yahweh.9For as heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways,and My thoughts than your thoughts.
Now like we been saying not everyone is on the same team. Like ive been pushing and trying to get you too see. There is a negative force working as well, and it is up too you to find out and distinguish fact from fiction. Now everyone that calls upon the Name of Yahweh is not with him,we know that because Satan is his adversary and he does the exact opposite. Yes Yahweh can cause many people to have visions but what seperates those from others is……whether they tell a lie, if he lies then he is just a mere phrophet who makes mistakes therefor be careful. But when one doesnt lie and keeps telling true he is truly from above.
He allows things to happen because its his way, he wants it too happen this way. From the beginning we were already setup, because of our forefathers lack of knowledge and we have been handed down the same ol rubbish fake lies. Check this passage:
Hosea 4:6 (Holy Name Bible)
6My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge, because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to Me, seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy Elohim, I will also forget thy children.
*Boom because of our forefathers lack of knowledge back in the day, we were already lost, he allowed it happend because of our ancestors ignorance but he still made sure that there was still a way.
2 Thelossians 2:10-12(Holy Name Bible)
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish;because they recieved not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.11And for this cause Yahweh shall send them strong delusion; that they should believe a lie12That they all might be judged who believed not the truth; but had pleasure in unrighteousness
*Boom he sends delusions to people so that they would believe a lie. why do you think the world is in the state it is. One satan and Two Yahweh has people (the folks that rather not look for the truth and believe lies) lost because they care not to grow close to the creator and believe everything that the preacher says. Does the church world talk about the Almight and how he works both sides of the field. No they talk about how loving and caring he is, and Ohh dont forget to give too the church. Please dont let me go on how we equate holiness with driving a BMW, Mercedes, Lexus and having a Mega Church. Oh a blog for its own.
Thats all i got, keep seeking and you shall find the truth, let the spirit guide you and not your own thoughts. Stay Up Yall!!!
January 12, 2009 at 9:39 pm |
Me being put in the middle of all Rightiousness of GOD, and being TRUE to my CREATOR is a wicked exsperiance I mean WORKING with my GOD in TODAY, TOMORROW, and YESTERDAY, but TRUST ME of MOSTLY TODAY . YOU looking for UNDERSTANDING of GOD ; how far do your mind allow you to traval…….. can your mind traval directly to GOD? If so you a PART of GOD’S PLAN, and in his MERCY !!!! ARMAGEDDON is real, and we all most seen it, but GOD has pulled us PAST that, and put it back on stand still. Now you probly want to know what Im talking about well again pay ATTENTION hericain Katrina, and the New Orlean VICTIMS was supsose to be the biginning of ARMAGEDDON!!! When MY PEOPLE, and MY FAMILY was going through that the PRESIDENT called in the National Gaurds for MY PEOPLE, and the National Gaurd was GIVING THE ORDER TO KILL, if Men, Women or Children was cauhgt stealing even though all property, and belongings was already considerd a total lost ; THIS is WHERE GOD, and I come in you see if ONE person was shot, and killed OUR FAIMILY would have had no choice, but to follow GOD’S ORDERS, and “EVERYTHING” that is considerd not the CREATOR’S, and AMERICA WOULD have had WAR on this SOIL because you speak of the UNIVERS as if it’s on earth, and MAN CREATED it ; so man made the STAR’S? IF ONE DIE WE ALL DIE are THE WORD’S OF THE RIGHTIOUS!!!! IN GOD’S NAME! So my brother’s, and sister’s do you want to know how to be obidiant to your GOD well it takes more than just beleaving in him ; you must give your self back to the CREATOR in all you do. I wrote Barack Obama, about new program’s that should be placed into all school’s across the country, but who’s plan is it Mine or Obama’s neather one GOD gave me the PLAN I gave it to Obama. CHANGE THE WORLD!!!! I THINK I CAN so I do as Im told of my HIGHER POWER THE CREATOR. Who can do that? Any man or woman can change the would, but only the RIGHTIOUS will be PRAISED for it by the CREATOR as a TOOL of GOD. WE are left with the past beleafes of GOD to make up in our own mind if it’s true or false what we are told, read or lurn, but truly IT’S THE WORLD that GOD is WORRIED about “not just” man KIND. I AM not perfect because I AM man, and with sin so I must DIE in order to leave sin behind so GOD can forgive me, and have mercy for YOU, but GOD also tell’s me the only way he can defeat the Devil’s control over man is to become GREATER EVIL. I FEAR GOD because earthly pain can end………… GOD say’s, but after death it do not have to end because there is still HELL some must go through. THINK about way’s to better TODAY, and TOMORROW for the world around you, and GOD will WORK with your PLAN because we are all related from our CREATOR, but if you gonna go day by day discusing what is true or a lie from a bible that GOD gave those men the WILL to WRITE together, but what ever religion you have is only a TEACHING. MY WORDS COME DIRECTLY FROM THE CREATOR GOD no teaching’s can determain my faith in the MASTER or of “any” of his TIMES, and still up till now on earth. YOU can say the BIBLE is a lie, but thats your opinion! BASIC, INSTRUCTION’S, BEFORE, LEAVING, EARTH – BIBLE………. that is all it is be obediant to GOD. Do you have your INSTUCTION’S?
January 12, 2009 at 10:57 pm |
To all blogers I want to stay on track with why we are bloging about this parculiar BLOG. The topic or the Writer of the Topic state that:
Father Time (ahsoisee) Says:
1, Idmr is a cult.
Edrina Answer: “Institute of Divine Metaphysical Research” IDMR
Cult define: a particular system of religious worship, with reference to it rites and ceremonies. 2. an instance of an almost religious veneration for a person or thing 3. a group having an exclusive sacred ideology and an a series of rites centering around their sacred symbolsfine:
IDMR is a School We hold 3 PUBLIC Lecture that are 2 hour long each. Now I said it was public which means the doors is always open to anyone whom may want to hear Yahweh our Elohim and Yahshua the Messiah. There are no ceremonies held at the school. We (IDMR) teach in the Truth Name of Father Yahweh his Son or Word Elohim and the Holy Spirit or the Savior of the world which is Yahshua the Messiah.
Father Time (ahsoisee) Says:
2.That the Savior of the World is Jesus.
Edrina Answer:
The Question we need to Ask oursevles what the Savior Name when he walk this earth plane.( Acts 4:12 – And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”)
Yahshua whom he is call Jesus that name DIDN’T and WAS not the Savior Name. The Messiah whom died on the cross over 2000 years ago was not Name Jesus. In the Herberw language the letter J was NOT there. There is no J (Ja)sound in the Hebrew language. The bible was translated from Hebrew to Greek to Latin. In the Greek nor the Latin there was a letter J. The Letter J is the Newest letter in the English Alphabet. The Letter J come from the I that is derisive from the letter Y. In 1611 You would not fine the letter J in the bible but you fine the letter I (Iesus or Iesous). And you would not find the Name Jesus in the bible either.
Also, Hebrew names have meanings if FATHER TIME (ahsoisee) did some little reseach and Look up the Name Yahshua which means Yah: Yahweh and Shua in hebrew mean Savior.
Yes, Jesus does have a meaning: I break it down to its simple forum: “ Jesus” is a corrupted name derived from Greek Iesous, Ies, or iysh in the Hebrew means man.
While sus-soos mean hores “man horse” or “man beast”
The Name Iesous or “hey-soos” means “hey horse”
G-Zeus (Jesue)
Ea-zeus meaning healing Zeus. Then you have Iesus, and Iesous which are pagan origin.
Ge- means earth or soil in Greek. Sus means Swine or pig in Latin. So Your saying “earthpig”
Father Time (ahsoisee) says:
3.The IDMR believes Jesus is one of many incarnations of God in man. They deny Jesus was resurrected from the dead in a body, but in spirit, only. (Another statement) Destroy this Temple, and in three days, I will raise it again”. He was referring to his body prior his crucifixion and death.
Edrina Answer: REREAD John 20:
In John 20 It talks about Mirian seen two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of (Messiah) Yahshua had lain. They ask ask why does she weep and her answer was they take away Rabbi and I know not where they have laid Him. In the 14 verse And whe she had thus, said , she turned herself back, and saw Yahshua (Messiah) and knew NOT that it was Yahshua. In the next verse she think he is a gardener. Keep reading in the 19 verse said, “ were the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for the fear of the Jews, came Yahshua (Messiah) and stood in the midst”. Then Yahshua does this again 26 verse, “ then came Yahshua (Messiah) , the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said Peace be unto You.” Then is the next chapter 21:4 but when the morning was now come, Yahshua (Messiah) stood on the shore; but the disciples KNEW not that it was He. Now after they draw the fish from the sea and bought it to the shore, 12 verse Yahshua (Messiah) saidth unto them, Come and dine. And none of the disciples durst ask Him, Who art Thou? Knowing that it was He.
Now the question now should be ask if Mirian new the Messiah before he died on the cross way doesn’t she know who is now if he raise a physical body it would still remain the same body. And How does a Physical Body enter a room when the doors a complete shut. Why doesn’t the disciples know who the Savior is when they walk around with him if he rasie a physical body? Because the Savior didn’t rasie a physical body but spiritual body.
READ I Corinthians 15
44: It is sown a natural (phsyical) body, it raised a Spiritual body. There is a Natural (phsyical) body and this is a spiritual body.
It is written, The first Adam was made a living soul, the last Adam was made a life giving SPIRIT.
Now I say, bretheren, that FLESH and BLOOD CANNOT inherit the KINGDOM of Yahweh (Lord): netiher doth corruption inherit incorruption
Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be CHANGED, In a moment in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be CHANGED. (So what CHANGED is he talkin about?) For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
Another statement should be examine “Destroy this Temple, and in three days, I will raise it AGAIN. The word Again mean Before So What is the MESSIAH TALKING ABOUT when he saids AGAIN.
Like I said, before in the blog that Yahweh is spirit and to understand or to receive in Understanding about the Creator He Must Give you A Vision and Revelation unto rightness. Now Yahweh has always give Man Vision and Revelation of himself from Adam all the way to now.
To understand what Our Creator is Talking about we must go back to Law Under Moses Now in Exodus there was a Man name JosHua the son of NUN (NONE) Remember what I said that there were NO letter J in the Hebrew Lanugage So Moses minster could not have been name Joshua. We (IDMR) though the grace of Our Heaven Creator Yahweh gave our Found and Dean Dr. Henry C. Kinley a Divine Vision and Revelation in the Year 1931. He, Dr. Kinley prove that Joshua of who is Yahshua was back there with Moses. By the scriptures:
Exdous 24: And He said unto Moses, Come up unto Yahweh (Lord), thou, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu and seventy of the elders of Israel; and worship ye afar off. 2. And Moses alone shall come near Yahweh(LORD).
Now Yahweh (Lord) is tells Moses do something bring his Brother Aaron and his two son plus 70 eldres to the Mt Siani so they will worship Yahweh a far off Which mean not as Close or High Up on the Mt as Moses. Remember Yahweh (Lord) tells Moses to Come alone by yourself nobody should be with me if Yahweh said to bring No one.
Drop down to 13 verse And Moses rose up, and his MINISTER Yahshua (Joshua): and Moses went up into the mount of Elohim (GOD). That Minister Joshua who is Yahshua told him to come or invite him to the Mt. How do we know this: Exodus 33:11 – Thus the Yahweh (LORD) used to speak to Moses face to face, as a man speaks to his friend. When Moses turned again into the camp, his servant Joshua the son of Nun, a young man, did not depart from the tent. Deuteronomy 5:4– The Yahweh (LORD) spoke with you face to face at the mountain, out of the midst of the fire, Yahweh is talking about his servant Moses
To verify that was Yahshua (Joshua) I Corinthians 10: Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; 2 and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, 3 and all ate the same spiritual food 4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank from the spiritual Rock which followed them, and the Rock was Messiah (Yahshua).
That is why you read in Exodus Yahweh said, this or Yahweh said, that, that is a reoccuring theme in Exodus or the first 5 book of the bible.
We (IDMR) teach that Yahweh is the Word or Son Elohim and Yahshua the Messiah
John 17:3 This is life eternal, that they (Everyone) might know that, Thou (is Yahweh, Lord) only art (ARE) the True Elohim (God) and Yahshua the Messiah, Whom Thou hast sent.
Deutormeny 6:4 Hear, O Isreal: Yahweh (Lord) is Elohim (God) is Yahweh a Unity.
Or Listen my people Yahweh is One Or Yahweh is Elohim and Elohim is Yahweh and Yahshua the Messiah is Yahweh.
Now One more thing that Must be Understood Dr. Kinley did not write a new bible nor Change the words in fix what he stated. His JOB was explain the mystery of Yahweh Purpose Pattern and Plan of Salvation Revelation 10:7 – But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of Yahweh should be finished, as He hath declared to His servants the prophets.
Because Yahweh had it seal up until a point in time which He gave unto his sons, The understanding of the bible or HIM. Colossians 1:26: the mystery hidden for ages and generations but now made manifest to his saints (sons).
Sorry to say Yahweh did not say the world so, that means Everyone will not have a understanding and Knowledge of whom the Creator really is. Like Sam has said, It a Mystery going down hand and hand The Mystery of Unrighteous (corrupted or Death) and Mystery of the Righteous (Life or Immortality).
Like Yahweh (Lord) said, In the begin Elohim (God) created the heaven and the earth. And darkness was upon the face of the Deep And said let there be light (Life, Understanding) and said it was good and call it Day. The he says, the darkness (Death No Understanding) He called it night. And this was in the first Day and Night and Elohim said, “ It was good.”
Isaiah 45:7 – I form light and create darkness, I make peace and create punishments: I Yahweh (LORD), who do all these things.
Again IDMR is a school and it’s has an open door to the Public anyone whom wants to know who the Creator of heaven and earth really is.
There can only be ONE.
January 13, 2009 at 3:06 pm |
Edrina………..You are taking my words out of “Context”…………
I said there were “No Civilized” people when the “First Dynasty” of Kemet/Egypt came into existence around the year 5000b.c.e………Some Scholars would say there were no one on the face of the earth besides the people of Kemet but I would not take it that far……..I gave you a definition of the word “Civilized” so that you would not get confused….but seems as if you are confused.
In 1931a.d……….YAHWEH came to Henry C. Kinley with a vision/revelation of the truth…..Thats what the members say.
it is a “FACT” that “Yahweh” already revealed his “Vision/Revelation” to “Moses”, “John”, “Saul” and countless others “BEFORE” Henry Kinley was BORN…..
“History is best Qualified to Reward All Reseach”……..
There is a book called…”The Sixteen Saviors of the World”……….This book reveals fact of the PLAGARIZATION that is taking place with all the “Different” cultures that will tell a “Diferent” story of their “Religion” and their “God”…….
“BUT”…..this book will also tell you, “like countless others will”, that the “FIRST” people to have a story of a “SAVIOR” and “CREATOR” was those people of Kemet/Egypt…….and there is no denying it
There is “NO” eveidence what-so-ever that a (“Civilized”) “Hebrew”, a “Greek”, “Roman” or a “Muslim” was on this earth “PRIOR” to the year 1800b.c.e……..
Peace in the name of the one and only CREATOR of ALL……Amen-Ra
January 13, 2009 at 3:18 pm |
Now Lets get to the “Nitty-Gritty……………..
According to the HNB/KJV……..Moses lead the Hebrew slaves out of Egypt…….Correct?
According to the HNB/KJV……..The slaves “BUILT” the “Pyramids” of Egypt…..and they must have built the ones in “Sudan”…….
My question still remains un-asnwered?…….
Someone please tell the year this happened……..
Give us the name of the Pharoah that held the slaves…….
Once you do that……
I will give to you…….”Unaduterated Physical-Biological-Archealogical Evidence” that you are WRONG………….
The truth that was here in the beginning………will come back in the end of times………AND THAT TIME IS NOW.
January 13, 2009 at 5:42 pm |
We who believe in the Religion of Kemet have no ILL feelings of anyone…..We respect others and their religious belief……
Our Mission is to bring forth the “Truth” that has been “Hidden” in “PLAIN SIGHT”…to those who believe in a CREATOR……If you believe there is a “GOD” above all then we have something in common…….
Our difference is we use “Facts” based on “Evidence”……as opposed to those who just use “Faith” and “Belief” based upon what someone has told them.
Here is another website from Gerald Massey…….A noted Historian AND a Former “Christian Priest”……..
http://www.kemetway.com/massey1.html
I gave you a link to “Sigmund Freud”…..and you should know who he is……He practised “Judaism”…..And he wrote a book about the “Facts” of the “Hebrew” and how the “Hebrew Plagarized” the Truth of “Kemet”…
We have countless people from all religious backgrounds writing about the “Truth” of Kemet/Egypt…….Where it ALL came from….
January 13, 2009 at 10:27 pm |
I honestly Hope and my desire is that You Kered really do some good Research on the Human Body it function and it Purpose. Then you would have the need to ask If Aman-Ra is the Creator of Heaven and Earth Because there is NO Evidence that A MAN of the Ray of the Sun Forum Your Body.
Kered says:
1.I said there were “No Civilized” people when the “First Dynasty” of Kemet/Egypt came into existence around the year 5000b.c.e………Some Scholars would say there were no one on the face of the earth besides the people of Kemet but I would not take it that far……..I gave you a definition of the word “Civilized” so that you would not get confused….but seems as if you are confused.
Edrina answer: Remember what I said, “ Sooner or later Some One comes alone and Correct them and say no thats not the way it happen.”
Look You repeat that old record about Kemet I reallly don’t think that you have done simple reseach. Now Kemet are not the oldest or CIVILIZED people who were in Egyptain. Like I said do your research. It Simple Research.
Wrong AGAIN: Now Kemet Religion Start around 4500 Bce But I don’t Know if you Knew That ARCHAEOLOGY has RECORDED History of DRAVIDAISM from 6000 to 3000 BCE. Now that would PRE-DATES the raise of Sumerian, EGYPTIAN and Babylonian cultures. NOTE: Hinduism come from DRAVIDAISM.
So does DRAVIDAISM make it the Original Religion. I say No Again. But Kered should says Yes. Why because Kered says, “ that the Original Religion should be gods Religion or the Olderst or CIVILIZED.” And I Hope you Knew that Kemetism and Dravidasim are similar to. They Have gods and goddess that are structure in apart and each one service a different purpose in the purpose of Hindusim.
Here another question because KERED is so into saying that there is no- Evidence of Hebrew before a certain time. So were did they come from if not from? I guess they (Isrealities Just POP UP from OUT of No were?)
Kered says:
1.In 1931a.d……….YAHWEH came to Henry C. Kinley with a vision/revelation of the truth…..Thats what the members say.
Edrina answer: Remember what I said, “ Sooner or later Some One comes alone and Correct them and say no thats not the way it happen.”
Now I try explain this in the most simple way that you may understand You, Me and Everyone not Just Henry C. Kinley, Moses, Paul Etc… MOST be apart of the VISION and the REVELATION. Which means That Dr.Kinley Did not see anything Different or Say anything different then Moses, John or anyother of the person in the bible. Now When Yahweh give you the Understanding of Him you wouldn’t be able to say anything different Unless Yahweh choose you to play a different role in the Mystery.
I have told you that KEMET was not the first on the Scene and I wait to say that because I want to see have you done any other resreach on the Egyptian in the whole. You need to look a word which be use now Egyptian History Monolatrism or monolatry.
I have always state that Yahweh is One monotheism (belief in a singular god). And Yahweh says that there NO OTHER GOD to believe in or that exist.
Kemetism is the belief of Monolatry IS the WORSHIP of one god even though other gods are believed to exist.
Kemetism believe that there are other gods around but they (Kemetism) just don’t worship them that a more simple way of put it.
You yourself has made this statement about AMEN-RA “This One God was Never represented.”KERED SAYS:
2.The Ancient Egyptians believed in One God who was self-produced, self-existent, immortal, invisible, eternal, omniscient, almighty, etc. This One God was never represented. It is the functions and attributes of his domain that were represented.
EDRINA ASNWER:
That One God You said Never represented. So that Could not been God.
Let us Old Fashion Common Sense If your Immortal Why does RA age? He is said to leave and remain up in the SKY and leave Osiris to the earth.
I don’t Know if Kered is a Kemetic Orthodoxy but if you are you still worship or carry out the Same out stuff that Christendom Does. Kemetic Orthodoxy and REV(clergy, temples and shrines) and Mother of all Christendom have Prest, Kemetic have the Ritual of the Dead and the Service of the MOONS and Holydays. So there still a worship of Working out of YOUR OWN SALAVTION.
I Don’t Work about my own Salavtion. I can Say again with proof That Ancient Believe in Many gods. But, One thing is True about The Ancient JEW That They Have always believe in The Almight Provider (ELOHIM) and that Story has never Changed. And After Moses Received the Name of YAHWEH it has always still remain in the JEWish Faith.
You can not say that about Egyptian History They got a god for everything from the Sun all the way down to a Cats and Dogs it over 2000 is it. And each god and goddess is do something and some are do nothing at all.
Let examine a couple to see what there Purpose and function were RA.
RA’S position in the pantheon is unusual. He is the only god, apart from Osiris, who is definitely said to be not on the earth. Ra, it is said, is an aging god, still powerful, but too old to deal with his children any longer, so he has gone exclusively to the sky to watch over the world. Horus rules over the earth and the gods in his stead, demonstrating the divine right of kingship.
So if Ra’s ages and rules the sky and let another rule the world. Why does God age if he is a God? Plus Kered said there IMMORTAL. I says There is no physical time in IMMORTALITY. So, who does a god age?
Osiris rules over Commerce, success initition, death and REINCARNATION, Religion, power, codes of law its about another 20 things Osiris Rules over. REINCARNATION is Physical.
Horus rules over Prophecy, war, revenge, justice, success, problem solving, the Sun, music, the arts, beauty, weapons, family, home. Horus RULES the SUN. RA the Sun god Or the Number One and Only god? So how can the Only god by Rule by another god which in down on the earth or is Horus up in the sky to.
So I guess at the end of the Day 2000 gods and goddess meet up with Amen-Ra Which are Two gods put together and Say what happen what occur and what going on in Mankind (KERED) today. And make a discussion on it.
There is NO Proof From Any REAL ARCHAEOLOGY that Ancient Egyptian Had only One God.
1.Kered Says: January 8, 2009 at 9:59 pm in which Ra states….”I have multitude of names, and multitude of forms”. January 13, 2009 at 3:06 pm Edrina………..You are taking my words out of “Context”…………
Edrina Answer:
You make these statement I don’t take the out of “Context”. Means what you Say and Say what you Mean. Because I am talking about the Soul Our Creator give Us a Soul He has ONE NAME NOT MANY NAME(S). In ALL Faith Religion SECT Cults True and Believe is One Universal thing that They all Have In COMMON. That the DEVIL, HADES, SATAN COMES IN MANY NAME(S).
Now Yahweh is ONE YAHWEH there is NO NO OTHER gods idol help mates be side Him. There are NONE. Again YAHWEH is ELOHIM ELOHIM is YAHWEH and YAHSHUA IS YAHWEH.
So you say you have read the bible that is why the Jews seek to Kill Yahshua because He made himself One with Yahweh not for the Miracle or the works that he done but because he made himself ONE with Yahweh.
I have try to explain the UNITY OF THE SPIRIT to you. How that You have a head, chest and Abdomial Area but there is Only One Body (KERED) not Many. And You Cannot Divided the HEAD, CHEST OR ABDOMIAL ARE With out Death occur. Now if You did divided Yourself up or give prasie to the unknow part of you. Doctor would have a Name for that LUNACY.
But that is what Kered is say when It come to Egyptain BELIEF.
You don’t KERED Put ENITITY together, When ENITITY has it OWN being and Existence. from Kered: January 8, 2009 at 9:59 pm “Unity that comprises the putting together of the many diverse entities, i.e. The One Who is the All. And you say DIVERSE (many Different, MULTI).
Yahweh is Spirit we can not understand Spirit in it Pure State. Just like we can not understand H2O in it Pure State. Now Yahweh Knowing this broke his down as Elohim. Just like that H2O breaks itself down into Liquid. But See Yahweh Love us even more did it again Broke hisself down that you could have touch him Seen him examine him with your OWN Hands as Yahshua a Solid Forum. So does that H2O it breaks it self down just for us so that we can examine hold it see it. Its Solid. On Earth there are Big Oceans out there of water take a glass of that water in that glass all the same substance is still in that glass as it was in the Big Ocean. So that goes for Yahweh to the same substance in Yahweh Our Elohim through Yahshua the Messiah Our Savior.
Now look There is not 2000 different state of H2O. Water H2O are only 3 states but One WATER H2O.
I Only go to say this One more time because there is, GODS AND GODESS In Egyptian History and Kered CANNOT CHANGE That.
Nor CAN KERED Explain AMEN-RA IN the HUMAN body because A MEN is not a god he just a man. A man can only be A man. That why its so important to find out whats in a Name.
See that is why Kered Only can Hold on to a Phsyical thing that is made with hands. See the Human Body is not Fashion by A MAN. NO Man went into my mother womb and said, I place in arm there, and I place in eye Here. See only the Creator of Heaven and Earth can do that One. And When Yahweh Created HIS Creation HE Yahweh Put his STAMP HIS NAME On it and Will Not Let another be Praise or give Thanks to.
So Kered, You Keep Your Faith of Many gods and goddess working togethier in a collective state of existence than coming togethier to collective thought. Prasie to this part of Amen-Ra gods hort. Then waiting til that day that Your Heart can be weighted is against a feather. Believe Natural So the Heart Weight at Least than a pound The average weight of a female human heart is 9 ounces and a male’s heart is 10.5.
I guess there AINT gonna be NO body up there With AMEN-RA Because a Feather in weight is under light weight. It cannot even be measure with a normal scale. So a Human Heart will always be Heavier then a feather.
GOD IS ONE NOT MANY
Yahweh Our Elohim is a Unity (ONE) Det 6:4
Now look there is a BIG BIG BIG different between Yahshua Seb, and Jesus. Yahweh Elohim Yahshua is not a holy trinity. That is were you going wrong at. IDMR does not have a Trinity structure like Christian or like AMEN-RA. That Trinity structure has 3 gods working together in a collative just like Amen-Ra.
Yahweh is One: Hear OH Israel Yahweh is One (Unity).
When you can Explain Amen-Ra in the human Body from start to finish then He is the real god because It doesn’t matter if evidence was destroy even made up the Evidence of the Human body will always be there it the evidence of the Only and Real Heavenly Creator Yahweh.
When I look at my self and that One statement was made in the likeness and image if bible was so called PLAGARIZATION of Amen-Ra so I should be able to define my self by Amen-Ra.
When I strenth my hand out or look at a tree I see that great big Letter (Y) I don’t see the Letter A for Amen or the Letter R for RA but what (Y)ou will see Naturally that Letter Y. Why is YOU with a Y and I can just say u. just another thought I might just throw in there.
We come into this world asking Mom Why (Y) this Daddy Why that (Y) and when a person dieds Guess what That EXAMINER DRAW that GREAT LETTER (Y) and what is call the Y INCISION.
January 14, 2009 at 3:10 pm |
EDRINA…………..
I asked (2) simple questions? And you can not answer one of them……..You go into these “Absurd” explanations of Yahweh and his “Purpose”…….
Fact #1……The “Human Body” was on this “Earth” before “Yahweh” was made up by the Hebrews…..so how can Yahweh claim it????
Fact #2……The first “Hebrew” was “Abraham” and he came on the scene in 1800b.c.e….
Fact #3……The Pyramids was on this “Earth” before “Abraham” was born……so how could a man/people build something before he/they are born????
You said the “Dravidians” was on this earth 6000b.c.e…..Are you serious???……Give me a link to that?
Edrina do you know who the Original Dravidians are?????
They are “Ethiopian/Sudanese Decent……Can I prove it Yes…….here is ONE link of many………. http://www.essaysbyekowa.com/dravidians_sudanese.htm
Edrina……Everything I say to you I can give you a link to it and prove it…..You have yet to prove ANYTHING to me other than that which is written in the BIBLE and the teaching that your LEADER, Dr. Kinley told you…….and you should know by now that the BIBLE is 95% FALSE and Henry Kinley was JUST another MAN…
WAKE UP……………..
January 14, 2009 at 3:48 pm |
Edrina…………..
When I said you are taking my words out of “Context” I was referring to what I describe as “Civilization”……….Not what The Creator said about having many names and forms………..
But he does have many names and forms…….Your mind has to be “Unlocked” to understand NATURE…….
The word “God” was not used in Kemet…….The word “Neteru” (ntr) was used to describe the CREATOR…………
The ward “Nature” came from the word “Neteru”(ntr)…….which the Greeks transliterated into the word “GOD”……..
Can you see it NOW??????
Is it not true that “God” created “Nature”????????……..Do you see the connection???
I said a few post back……..THE TRUTH IS HIDDEN IN PLAIN SIGHT
If he CREATED everything in the UNIVERSE……He has a “Right” to give it a name that “Connects” with his “Essence”…….
All the “Dieties” that the people of Kemet used was only “PERSONIFICATIONS” of him……………….
As Carter G. Woodson said:
“When you control a man’s THINKING you dont have to worry about his actions. You do not have to tell him not to stand here or go there. He will find his proper place and will stay in it. You do not need to send him to the back door. He will go without being told. In fact, if there is no back door, he will cut one for his special benefit. His Mis-Education makes it necessary.”
January 15, 2009 at 1:39 am |
Lets start at the begin of Moses Vision on top Mt Siani, Exdous 24 Then went up Moses Aarron and his 2 son and 70 of the elders and Saw in a Vision the Elohim of Isreal. Now Moses was on the Top and the others were below Now they saw Elohim but did not receive the Understanding of Elohim because they went down and built the Gold CALF.
But Moses saw more He saw ELOHIM Transforum or Explain himself by that Tabernacle (PATTERN) Thats why you read in Gensis Man is made in the likeness and Image of Elohim. That Tabernacle which was pitch in the wilderness of Siani is 3 fold so is the Creator 3 fold. But still that Tabernacle is One Tabernacle and Yahweh is One Yahweh.
Tabernacle had a Most Holy Place (YAHWEH) a Holy Place (ELOHIM) and Court that went round about or Outer Court (YAHSHUA) There where three compartments but one Tabernacle. In the Most Holy Place was Ark of the Covenant and it s 2 cherubims of Glory with their wings overshadowing the Mercy Seat. (Now 3 here) In the Holy Place was Alter of Incense, 7 Branch Lampstand and Table of Shewbread. (Now 3 here) In the Court that Went round about was the Cup of Holy Anointing Oil the Brazen Laver and Altar of Sin Sacrifice. (Now there 3 here) 3+3+3=9.
There are 7 plane in the Taberancle It the number 7 Denotes Perfection. The Number 8 means New Beginning. The Human body has 9 System: There are 9 Plants All these thing abide in One Universe.
There are Only 3 STRUCTURE that YAHWEH told Man to build: Noah Ark, The Tabernacle, and Soloman Temple.
Kered says:
1.Fact #1……The “Human Body” was on this “Earth” before “Yahweh” was made up by the Hebrews…..so how can Yahweh claim it????
Edrina Answer:
That Is the QUESTION How Can something that Is made UP be explain by something that was already here? That is what I trying my hardest to make you SEE The Human Body was before Dr. Kinley the Egypt Your AMEN-RA. Before any structure could have been Made a Human must make it. Before Man could understand the body Yahweh had around describe in detail. With a Vision and Revelation You can understand it to.
Like I will say again if AMEN-RA made me Y cant His handywork be found in the Human body? Because he did not make a man.
When a human makes something physical a pair pants a House Naturally so that person will put there NAME on it. Y because that person doesn’t want ANYONE, NOBODY getting the praise or the acknowledgement for it. Naturally so You Say I made that.
So does the Creator We are in the likeness and Image of the Creator. Yahweh made a HOUSE for the Soul to dwell in. That Tabernacle that You Carry around That has a TEMPLE.
Fact Or True Wittness IS THAT HUMAN BODY so let EXAMINE or SEE Whats in it.
The Human Tabernacle has 206 bones with arm and legs around it. The Tabernacle which was in wilderness of Sinai had 12 tribes around it. The Tabernacle which Yahweh pitch and not Man Yahshua who was 33 had 12 Aposlte around Him.
Remember I talk about That Tabernacle which Yahweh pitch and Not man. That Tabernacle in Sinai 149 pillars boards and bars and had 12 tribes around It and Yahshua was 33 with 12 Aposlte around him. 149 +33+12+12= 206
Let stay on the body Spinal Nerves has 31 pairs (31x 2) 62 and 1 Terminal Thread of the Cord called the Filum Terminal. Which would give you 63.
This is how I Know that Adam was first Soul from Yahweh There are 63 Generation from Adam to Yahshua.
There was a Covering that on the Tabernacle Rams’ skin dyed red, badgers’ skins above that and there was goats hair for the tent was inside(3). You have skin and it has 3 layers outer layer is called the epidermis second layer (located under the epidermis) is called the dermis Under these two skin layers is a fatty layer of subcutaneous tissue.
The Tabernacle had Tenons and sockets. Don’t the Human body have Tenons and sockets.
Remember what I said about the Tabernacle in the Wilderness of Siani and whats it had in.
It had 9 Vessel in it. Let examine some of them to see if any go by the Human body;
In the Most Holy Place was the two Archangels represented Michael, a warrior he took action and Gabriel the deliver messages and the Mercy Seat.
Now You have a Most Holy Place which Your Head Cavity. In the Brain there is a Left Side and Right Side. Left does what? Action (Motor function). Right does What?
Messages (Sensory Function)
The brain which is composed of gray and white matter:
Now remember You said that you have been to Class So in the Moderation,
WE HAVE YAHWEH IN HIS PURE SPIRIT STATE SYMBOLIZED ON THIS CHART AS A CLOUD. YAHWEH IS NOT A CLOUD, HE MERELY CHOSE A CLOUD TO SYMBOLIZE HIMSELF BECAUSE A CLOUD HAS NO PARTICULAR OR DESCRIPTIVE SHAPE AND FORM. WE HAVE DRAWN THIS CLOUD ALL AROUND THE EDGES OF THIS CHART TO SHOW YOU THAT EVERYTHING ON THIS CHART IS WTTHIN THE CLOUD. IN LIKE MANNER, EVERYTHING IN THE UNIVERSE ABIDES WITHIN THE PURE SPIRT STATE OF YAHWEH.
Remember in Exodus A Cloud was on top Mt. Sinai. That Cloud Which Yahweh overshadowed the Mercy Seat. A cloud can be decribes as a Grayish white Color.
In the Holy Place (Chest Cavity) was Alter of Incense, 7 Branch Lampstand and Table of Shewbread.
Lets examine the Alter of Incense The high Priest would make a 4 principle ingredients called stacte, onycha, galbanum and frankincense which were sweet odoriferous spices. The Incense gave a sweet smell unto Yahweh. It perfumed the entrie Tabernacle. And it burn. No one but the High Priest know the ingredients and Yahweh forbade anyone else to know the composition of it.
What Perfumed or gives of sweet smell into the Human Body. The Lung gives us that How is that? The Air that we breath in and Oxygen for Our bodies. It has 4 principle ingredients Called Nitrogen, Hydrogen, Cardon Dioxide and Oxygen. That a burning action in the lungs to with the oxidation is unite with the oxygen. And guess what again NO MAN know the right composition to but that together Neither.
In that Mosaic Taberncale, where Vails it divides the Most Holy Place and the Holy Place these Vails were blue, purple (violet) and scarlet (red) in color.
So let see Whats in The Human Taberncale That blue purple and scarlet in color. In Your body You have blood Vessels that another word to look it to Vessel in the Human body was there Vessels in the Taberncale in the Wilderness of Siani.
Any Way the Vessel passing to head are gathered together in the neck in one great profusion, the veins in colored blue, the arteries are red and the thyroid gland and iodine filled the thyroid is violet or purple in color.
No Ye not that Your Body is a Tabernacle….
Let think of some other item or things that are in a body or Tabernacle, The 7 branched Golden Candle Lampstand which was in the Holy Place. This Lamp provide LIGHT (life) the light has a flicking action that take place when a candle is lit. Your Heart has a flicking action to it. Also, there are 7 branches in the heart.
Kered says, “ book reveals fact of the PLAGIARIZATION.” Or “ 95% of the bible is Made up”.
Plagiarization or Plagiarize define as to copying or imitating the language, ideas, and thoughts of another author and passing off the same as one’s original work.
Now Remember Moses Wrote the 1st five books of the Bible. The Book of Exodus Was 1st Gensis was tooken out of Exodus by Bible Scolars. (That another Blog)
Now Moses grow up in the House of Pharoah and Knew he was a Hebrew Knew who his brotheren was (Reread my blog about How he knew.) There is NO TABERANCLE describle by a Pharoah that I knew saying Aman-Ra dwell there. And that Tabernacle is describle in the bible there are about 40 charts denote to this Tabernacle.
Still keep in mind what I said, about that Pattern which is the explaination of Yahweh Elohim and Yahshua the Messiah.
Now Everything Seen and unSeen goes by that Pattern. From the Simple item in the Universal to Profound item. Because Yahweh declares it so. So if Yahweh says it let examine to see if it true.
Yahweh says he is 3 fold but 1 Yahweh. Tabernacle is 3 fold but 1 Tabernacle.
ATOM (ADAM) is 3 fold but 1 Atom. Atom has Proton, Neutron and Electron
Proton and Neutron are join together and the Electron goes around about the Proton and Neutron.
Guess what That TABERANCLE had The Most Holy Place and Holy Place they were join together and a tent cover it and the Outer Court was open and went Round about.Or cricle the Most Holy Place and Holy Place.
Why is ATOM and ADAM pronouce the Same I guess that must be happen stands to?
Remember what I say about that Why it is important to SEE whats in a NAME: Let just examine the Word NAME: In the Word NAME there are only two vomels Why is That? And that Letter A comes before the Letter E. Why because (YHWH) YAhwEh Declares it so. Remember in Hebrew there are NO Vowel letter they us Marks to point out the vowel sound.
Also, it Show that Man (Adam) was before Womb Man (EvE) . In the Male body there are Hormone its Androgen there that simple letter A for male again. And in a Female the Hormone is Estrogen there that simple letter E for female again.
Now let go back to Atom: Atomic Bomb was cause by spliting the Atom (Adam). Or better Knew unto the Son of Yahweh spliting the Unity of the Spirit. Now Yahweh says you can split him Up or Divide him Because its death unto man. Just like you can divide your Head from the Chest or Abdominal death will occur.
Lets see what occur when the Atom is split (divide) or drop There is a Red Consuming Firery and there is a Cloud all around. And what happen Death Occur.
Now Yahweh saids, Lamentations 2:3 He has cut down infierce anger all the might of Israel; he has withdrawn from them his right hand in the face of the enemy; he has burned like a flaming fire in Jacob, consuming all around.
Heb 12:29 for our Yahweh is a consuming fire.
I Yahweh is all these thing I forum the light and Create darkness.
Now What Yahweh has Cause NO MAN to have an excuse. That everyone should know him from the least to greatest.
But see it just doesn’t end there with the Human Body. Yahweh can be explain though the Earth the Plants Even the through the Process of learning. When Yahweh said, “Heaven is my throne and the earth is my footstool; what is the house which you would build for me, and what is the place of my rest?
Which mean you cannot confine Yahweh.
You take these example and examine the for yourself. Like said if Amen-Ra is the true Create of Us all explain him by that Human body which was before any thing Humanly thing made.
That why I keep try to explain to you that Yahweh made a living soul 1st ( Adam) than 2nd A Man (Cain) or (AMAN).
If Yahweh came so late it would be totally be impossible for that Tabenacle to have anything I mean anything concern the human body and it function and it structure. Your body is in the Likeness and Image of the Creator. Yahweh, Says what he means and Means what he says.
I could type for days and show the simple thing of this world is Yahweh from the time go to bed to time you get up in the morning.
Love peace in the NAME of True and Only Yahweh our Elohim and Yahshua the Messiah
January 15, 2009 at 3:33 pm |
Edrina………
Mental Slavery got you much more than I thought.
“History is best qualified to reward ALL research”…….
If the IDMR is a “School of Metaphysical Research” then why aren’t you or any of the members doing “ANY” research?????
To research something you must know the “History” of it…….The HNB or KJV or any other Bible will “NOT” give you anything close to “Accuracy” of “History”…..You must go “Beyond” all the BIBLES and do some “Soul Searching”…….
We have too much—-Archealogical, Anthropological, Biological and Physical Evidence to make the BIBLE look like a Fairy Tale story……and that is just what these BIBLES are…….Fairy Tales
If the BIBLE is the way for you to save your spirit and get back to the CREATOR……Then as people of a “Metaphysical Research School” you “MUST” ask yourself these questions which are:
1) Why the BIBLE does not contain any reference to Dates and Correct names of People and Places?????
2) Why the BIBLE have so many contradictions in it?????
Example: The BIBLE will not give the name of the PHAROAH that held the Hebrew slaves—-and it gives no DATE when this took place—-it only gives a guess of the lenght of time they were supposedly held in Bondage….
Anybody with any common sense should ask if they know the LENGHT in time of the Bondage then they should know the DATE this took place….
ITS ALL A “PHALLACY”…….TO KEEP PEOPLE LIKE THOSE IN THE IDMR in mental slavery……….
Peace in the name of the ONE AND THE ALL and ONLY…….Amen-Ra
January 15, 2009 at 3:55 pm |
Edrina…..THE TRUTH IS LOOKING YOU DIRECTLY IN THE FACE AND I WILL USE ONE OF YOUR QUOTES IN CONTEXT TO PROVE THE EXISTANCE OF “RA” who is the CREATOR:
Now let go back to Atom: Atomic Bomb was cause by spliting the Atom (Adam). Or better Knew unto the Son of Yahweh spliting the Unity of the Spirit. Now Yahweh says you can split him Up or Divide him Because its death unto man. Just like you can divide your Head from the Chest or Abdominal death will occur.
These are your words EDRINA……..
Please look at this link Edrina.
http://www.egypt-tehuti.org/books/sacred-geometry-inside-look.pdf
Now from what you just said about ATOM(ADAM)…..this article will prove to you what I have been telling you ALL along…….
All what you think is correct and the truth is nothing more than a “Plagarization” of the TRUTH…….
That Symbol of the “Atom” represents “RA” in his “Hidden-Incorpereal-Spirit Form”…….
And it has been “Plagarized” to mean something totally different……It has “NOTHING” to do with a Man…..Especially “Adam”…..
Edrina…..I continue to give you “Evidence” of what I am saying…….the only thing you can refer to is the BIBLE…….
January 15, 2009 at 5:30 pm |
Now just keep on the Subject You have a Soul i have a Soul If Amen-Ra is the Make of Us All. Give me the physical Evidence of the Human body?
I have show You that Yahweh can be proven because he left us a Pattern that is True.
I reference to the Human body and examine the Human body which was before anything that was made If Aman-Ra is the Creator of All show Amen-Ra explain himself by the body.
I us the bible to show that the Body confirm the trure about Bible. The Writer which is the Human person comes before the the thing which is written.
See Every last Structure comes after the Human body. Because a structure is made by a Human that is what You are unable to understand.
If Amen-Ra is the only true god the Your body would say so. Because it so simple We as Human wouldn’t allow any other person say I made that when they didn’t.
Again which you still can not Answer keep beat around the question keep going in circle about Why Amen-Ra can not be proven by that body. Because, It so simple so is easy because A Man did not make the body A RA or Ray from the Sun did Not make the Body. I dont walk A Man Ra. My heart does beat to a 3 count.
That Amen-Ra was not the first god of Egyptian he a god that came about lately. There again was Only One King in Egyptian History that belief in One god and One god Only Not Many Gods. And that Name Was ATEN. Why would god have to keep Change his Name if he Not try to Hind from the Truth.
We as Human being Know When a Person Keep changes His Name From John to Greg to Will and so and so. We Know that He a thief and a Robber People like that are Jails and prison do that one.
Peace Love In the Name Of My Savior Yahshua the Messiah
January 15, 2009 at 6:09 pm |
Edrina….You contradict yourself CONSTANTLY……..
In one blog you SAID its not about the PHYSICAL….yet you stress the “Physical Body” as proof of yahweh….
The last post I made I gave you reference to the “ORIGIN” of the “ATOM”…..which you tried to link it with “ADAM” and “YAHWEH”..
The “ATOM” in its Purest Form can not be seen…..
BEFORE “YAHWEH” CAME ON THE SCENE…..
This was already “ESTABLISHED”….The “ATOM” or “ATEM” or “ATUM” or “AMEN” or “AMON” or “AMUN”…..whichever NAME you prefer is the “Physical Form”…..cause they are “ALL RELATIVE”……..
(“RA”) in his PUREST SPIRITUAL form represents the “ATOM” or the “COMPLETE CIRCLE” in its PUREST form….that which you CAN NOT see…….
Yahweh was not even BORN YET when this was established……PLEASE GET YPUR MIND RIGHT
January 15, 2009 at 6:29 pm |
Spell Check….PLEASE GET (YOUR) MIND RIGHT….
Edrina…..here is another link from a different source explaining the “ATOM” (ATUM) in its PUREST state…..Which was ESTABLISHED in “KEMET” Thousands of years before “YAHWEH” was even a THOUGHT.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/afr/stle/stle12.htm
And since you know so much about the HUMAN BODY do you know that ALL THE Lymphatic Fluids and BLOOD travel in a “CIRCLE” like the “ATOM”…..this gives PROOF of (“RA”) as the CREATOR since he is represented as the COMPLETE CIRCLE or the “ATOM”………
ALSO did you know that TIME TRAVELS IN A CIRCLE LIKE THE “ATOM”…
Time DOES NOT travel in a “Y”……….
The BLOOD or Lymphatic Fluid DOES NOT TRAVEL IN A “Y”………
PEACE
January 15, 2009 at 10:05 pm |
One more thing Ms. Edrina…………..That BLOOD that flow thru your Arteries/Veins have what shape of CELLS??????
Those RED BLOOD CELLS that carry “OXYGEN” or “AIR” is in the shape of a “CIRCLE” or (“RA”)……..
Remeber Edrina…….The name “Atom-Atum-Atem-Amun-Amon-Amen” represents the “Physical Form”……….(“RA”) represents the “Circle” in its “PUREST FORM”………
If the HUMAN Body was made from Yahweh…..my question to you is why he did not make those “LIFE” giving RED BLOOD CELLS in the shape of a “Y”…??????????
January 15, 2009 at 10:22 pm |
http://videos.howstuffworks.com/hsw/6299-organ-systems-the-circulatory-system-video.htm
Here a Web site that You really need to See Simple that You can Hear and See with Your own 2 Eyes How That You Breath in the Count of 2 and If You Listen You will Heard Yah Wah.
Plus you will see those Veins and Arteries in that Y branches and See How the blood goes Round about that body. You can See those Y in his hands. And if you check it check how many bones you have. Check out what I wrote in blog January 15, 2009 at 1:39 am
And compare it to what I Wrote. Because to see if it match up.
You need to reread My blog because almost in all my blog I am talking about the body. And I miss spell a word or two I Human sorry. Because You have miss spell words and I still understood what Your are says. I will make sure that I recheck my check spell Just for You.
That Is why I paste every thing you say and I don’t type it. Please show me were I said it not about the Physical. The whole Universal which include You and I is Physical manifestation of Spirit. I don’t worship Yahweh physically, And this is life eternal that they might Know that, Thou only art the true Elohim, and Yahshua the Messiah, Whom Thou has sent John 17:3. So eternal is to have a Knowledge.
Yahweh is Spirit He is the Source the Substance the limits and the bounds of EVERYTHING.
Again Humans CANNOT understand Yahweh in his PURE SPIRIT state because we are limited. We only have 5 senses. Yahweh (Spirit) knows that, He TOOK on a shape and form as Elohim then He came into his own Creation as Yahshua the Messiah.
Elohim is seen in Vision and Understood by revelation. He is the WORD or SON.
Yahshua is the Messiah (Holy Spirit) in the Flesh. (HUMAN) He is Yahweh in the FLESH.
Yahweh just steps right on down in His Creation because he made it and walk right around in it.
Then as Yahshua the Messiah Died on the Cross-for our Sins.
Then he raises a Spiritual Body and pours out the Holy Spirit unto Man, Then Went to Heaven. Or back to his Pure Spirit State.
I cut that up because I want to show You its a round trip. Just like that blood that goes though out those Veins which branch off into Y’s. (It a round trip.) Remember What I said, about that That Tabernacle (Outer Court) The Court that when ROUND About. Remember for anything that goes in a Circle it must go Round about in a Circle. You can not get Outside of Yahweh Everything is in Yahweh.
YAHWEH Elohim and Yahshua are One not 3, ONE Spirit and 2 manifestation of that ONE Spirit.
Love in peace in the Only True Creator Yahweh Our Elohim and Yahshua the Messiah.
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January 15, 2009 at 11:12 pm |
Edrina are you kidding me?????………That website says nothing about the BODY being in the form of the “Tabernacle” or “Yahweh”……..
Edrina I said this over and over agin……
“THE TRUTH IS HIDDEN IN PLAIN SIGHT”
That website you have…..what is the name of the system it describes????
The name of the system is called the…..”CIRCULATORY SYSTEM”……Correct?……Hence the word “CIRCLE”……Why is it called the circulatory system???????……..BECAUSE IT REPRESENTS THE CREATOR IN HIS SPIRIT AND PHYSICAL FORM…..
Edrina……..You keep shooting yourself in the foot.
Why the RED BLOOD CELLS that carry life giving “OXYGEN” to the “WHOLE” body are made like a CIRCLE and not a “Y”??????
I gave you websites that will tell you that (“RA”) represents “AIR” or “OXYGEN” in its PUREST FORM………And the “ATOM” which is CIRCULAR represents the “Physical Form”……
Yahweh has nothing to do with the CREATION of ANYTHING in NATURE……
I gave you proof and evidence of the existence of CIVILIZATION Before “Yahweh” was even mere thought….So he can not have been the CREATOR of anything………..
January 16, 2009 at 2:24 am |
So your saying that Your Veins dont branch out into a Y? I guess that another thing you need to rewrite in a Medical Journal. And make sure You tell that they have the inhale and exhale wrong to. Also, tell them that the way we walk is wrong to. Oh yeah tell that I heart doesn’t beat at a 2 count either.
Tell that EXAMINER that draws GREAT LETTER (Y) that is call the Y INCISION. That he is wrong to.
And the go outside your door and look at that tree and Say Tree stop standing in that letter Y with those branches that go out in to a Y and makes sure You say Tree don’t You allow no more leaf to form because it Vein go out in a Y.
And root of Everything that in the ground don’t form that letter Y.
Oh Animal Kingdom You dog and Cat You better not bark or Birds flap those wings. Because they all prasie Yahweh.
Let everything that has breath Praise Yahweh.
January 16, 2009 at 3:33 pm |
Edrina……Its obvious you cant read or you just like taking things out of context…..Where did i say the veins do not branch out to “Look” like a “Y”????
I said the body “DOES NOT” reperesent a “GOD”(Yahweh) that was “NOT” here when the “HUMAN BODY” (Civilization) was here thosusands of years “BEFORE” him (Yahweh)……….
“Yahweh came after the fact…..So how can he be the CREATOR??????
Edrina……Everything that you “SEE”, “Taste and Smell” are made up of “ATOMs”(Atum)…….and the structure of the “ATOM”(RA) is a “CIRCLE” in its “Purest Form”….correct, now then, if that is true….and it is…we can “SAFELY” say that the structure holds “Prevalence” over that which it “Forms”…….
Example: Red Blood Cells are “Circular”…correct? and they hold “Oxygen”…correct? They are “NOT” made in the shape of a “Y”…Hence the term “Sickle Cell Anemia”…..meaning if they are any other shape than the “CREATOR” in his “Purest Form” it will “NOT” hold “Oxygen” then you “DIE”….because “ATOM” (Atum) “RA” is the CREATOR of ALL…….And ALL living THINGS have “Circular Red Blood Cells”…….
Remember the NAMES “Atom, Atum,Amen, Amon and Amun” are one in the same…these names represent the “Physical Form” of (“RA”)…and all the other names of the “DIETIES” are the “ESSENCE” of his “NATURE”..
Edrina if you like you are welcome to come to one of our lectures…..
PEACE
January 16, 2009 at 9:08 pm |
Again the Subject is the Soul and WHATS is the Human a Soul, contain in a body which is a Tabernacle.
The Tabernacle, which pitch in the Wilderness of Sinai, Is the Explanation of Yahweh Our Elohim and Yahshua the Messiah.
I go to Start with Moses again Exodus 25:8 And let them make Me (Yahweh) a sanctuary; that I may dwell among them. 9. According to all that I shew thee after the PATTERN of the TABERNACLE, and the PATTERN of all the instruments thereof, even so shall ye make it.
Hebrew 8; Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have a such an high priest (Yahshua) who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; A minister of the sanctuary, and of the True Tabernacle, which Yahweh pitched, and not man.
For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man (Yahshua) have somewhat also to offer.
For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:
Who serve unto the example [that which is a copy] and shadow of Heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of Yahweh when was about to make the Tabernacle: for See, saith he that thou make all things according to the PATTERN shewed to thee in the mount.
It says in Hebrew that the PATTERN or TABERNACLE is an EXAMPLE or COPY or SHADOW of Heavenly things.
Also, said that the True TABERNACLE that Yahweh pitch and not a man is Yahshua because he is the reality of the physical tabernacle that was pitch in the wilderness of Sinai.
Roman 1:19-20 Because that which may be known of Yahweh is manifest in them; (EveryOne) For Yahweh hath shewed it unto them.
For the INVISIBLE things of HIM (Yahweh) from the creation of the world are CLEARLY seen, being UNDERSTOOD by [perceived through] the things that are MADE, even his eternal power and Supernal nature (Godhead); so that they (EveryOne) are without excuse.
Now there is a way to understand, Yahweh, which Spirit, which is INVISIBLE by the THINGS that are Made. And understand it Clearly or thoroughly.
Now That Tabernacle Pattern is points to Something or Points out something: So what is Point to? It points to Yahweh our Elohim and Yahshua working by a Pattern of Operation. Elohim is the Archetype or Original Pattern of the Universe.
Yahweh says, that he is One Yahweh. Which mean that Yahweh is Elohim and Yahweh is Yahshua. There are No other gods beside him. Just like that Tabernacle it had 3 compartments but it was One tabernacle. Just like all Human have One body and One soul. That’s the Unity of the Spirit. Yahweh is a Unity or One.
Now if Elohim is the Archetype or Original Pattern of the Universe. Or if Yahweh Elohim said, He made man in the likes and the image of Elohim. Should All not just one thing point to that Pattern. And be explained in detail by that Pattern also.
So let example the Atom:
Every Element is made up of an Atom its smallest piece of the element that keeps its chemical properties. It doesn’t CHANGES it chemical properties or what you see in one atom it must be in another atom. It can become bigger or large but the property does not change. Or the manifestation of the changes but the principle of the Atom remains the same. The Atom Has a Proton Neutron and Electron. But the is still One Atom. That Proton and that Neutron are together and the Electron goes Around and about the Neutron in a Circular. In a chemical reaction Atoms are not made, destroyed or changed in any compounds the atom remain the same.
So let just take some of those attributes and characteristic and examine them with Yahweh. Yahweh has chemical Property, which is Spirit. Spirit doesn’t change the Manifestation changes the Principle remain the same. We have Yahweh Elohim and Yahshua there are One Yahweh. NOT MANY GODS OR MANY NAMES. Yahweh can manifest himself as a Cloud Yahweh is not a Cloud but chose a Cloud because, it has ( the Cloud) no particular shape or form. That Cloud was on Mt Sinai and that Cloud was in that Tabernacle. Like I said, the Tabernacle is the explanation of Heavenly things So what in Heaven Yahweh so the Tabernacle Has to show you the ATOM: Remember that Tabernacle had Most Holy Place and Holy Place and a Court that went Round about. It was One Tabernacle with 3 compartments. One Atom with 3 compartments.
The Most Holy Place and the Holy Place was Joined together and cover with goatskin and the Outer Court went around and about and it was open to the element. The Priest could walk around inside the Outer court in a Circle and the 12 Tribes of Israel camp Around and about that Tabernacle. Or How the 12 Apostles went Round about Yahshua who is the second man Adam.
Let examine The Circulatory System and the Pattern together If Everything must go by Yahweh Elohim or the Tabernacle let see if it fit the Pattern. The Circulatory System plump blood it Circulate or goes Round about the body. That blood is RED Why is it Red because it is point to Something Adam mean RED. It just doesn’t stop there remember what I stated about that Prism and How that Prism has Color the First Color is What Red Why is that because the first Human was Adam.
Where still on that Circulatory System it must fit that Tabernacle Pattern Why because Everything goes by that Pattern. The blood Vessel (There that word again Vessel) carries blood though out the body There are only 3 types. We have Arteries (Yahweh or Most Holy Place), Veins (Elohim or Holy Place) and Capillaries (Yahshua or Outer Court).
If you examine the HUMAN BODY you can fine that the Circulatory System is has a branching of TREE it look like it has Roots. Remember what is carried through out the System BLOOD. Now there are 3 types of BLOOD Corpuscle or BRIGHT RED blood Cells, the colorless Corpuscles or White blood Cells and the Platelets are sticky irregularly-shaped colorless bodies that are present in blood also the Platelets goes in action to protect the body has in open cut.
Yahweh said, he is a burning Fire what the color of fire Red. Moses saw Elohim in the body of his Clearness White blood Cell colorless and the Platelets are irregularly-shaped, colorless bodies that are present in blood and that is Yahshua who is the HOLY Spirit.
Let Examine the Platelets the Platelets represent Yahshua in the human body also,
The principal function of platelets is to prevent bleeding or Stop you from bleeding to Death It a clot action taking place. The Platelets are produced from a very large bone marrow (MegaKaryocytes) It undergo a procees of fragmentation. Which mean it just a piece of the MegaKaryocytes. Also, Platelets are shape like a Plate (that Y they call them platelets) and when platelets are stimulated by a break in the blood the blood vessel wall they change shape.
Now Yahshua the Messiah took Death (Sin) upon hisself or Prevent or Stop Sin in the world when he died out there on the Cross. When Yahshua raise from the Dead a quicking Spirit or Spiritual Body it was a Change.
And one More thing what was also in that Tabernacle Exodus 28:36 – “And you shall make a Plate of pure gold, and engrave on it, like the engraving of a signet, ‘Holy to Yahweh.’
And Who else had a Plate Yahshua is the breast PLATE of righteousness and salvation.
Your Body is a Tabernacle and it Points to the Real Tabernacle Whom Yahweh pitch and NOT A Man.
Yahweh Elohim is a Pattern of Everything not something but Everything and Everything will conform to that Pattern.
January 16, 2009 at 10:44 pm |
GEEEEEEZZZZZ……….Edrina
Here is a LINK so you can get a PICTURE of what a “Megakaryocyte” look like………..
PLEASE TELL ME IF YOU SEE ANY THAT ARE SHAPED LIKE A “Y”……..
Platelets are “Spherical” in shape not a perfect circle but “Spherical”…..LOOK AT IT
Edrina……”Yahweh” was not here when CIVILIZATION started……SORRY
January 16, 2009 at 11:00 pm |
Here One More thing about a NAME:
January 16, 2009 at 11:00 pm |
“How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star, son of Dawn! How you are cut down to the ground, you who laid the nations low! 13 You said in your heart, ‘I will ascend to heaven; above the stars of God I will set my throne on high; I will sit on the mount of assembly in the far north; 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will make myself like the Most High.’ 15 But you are brought down to Sheol, to the depths of the Pit. 16 Those who see you will stare at you, and ponder over you: ‘Is this the man who made the earth tremble, who shook kingdoms, 17 who made the world like a desert and overthrew its cities, who did not let his prisoners go home?’ 18 All the kings of the nations lie in glory, each in his own tomb; 19 but you are cast out, away from your sepulchre, like a loathed untimely birth, clothed with the slain, those pierced by the sword, who go down to the stones of the Pit, like a dead body trodden under foot. 20 You will not be joined with them in burial, because you have destroyed your land, you have slain your people. “May the descendants of evildoers nevermore be named! 21
I will be like the Most High: That Fallen Angel The Devil Satan Hades and etc…
Kered says:
1. Remember the NAMES “Atom, Atum,Amen, Amon and Amun” are one in the same…these names represent the “Physical Form” of (”RA”)…and all the other names of the “DIETIES” are the “ESSENCE” of his “NATURE”..
Edrina Answer:
So let See what in thoses Names:
ATOM Origin: from ofr. ATOME from Greek atomos which means ‘indivisible’, based on a-‘not’ + temnein ‘to cut’.
Atum Origin is Egyptian centred on the city Heliopolis. His name is thought to be derived for the word ‘tem’ which means finish.
Amen derives from a Semitic root meaning “Fixed or Sure”.
Amun (Ram) “that means the hidden One. 11th dynasty 2133-2000 bce.
Amon may have originated as a local deity at Khmum in Middle Egypt. A primeval personification of air and breath; worshipped especially at Thebes
Now let Examine the word Ra or Re
RA or RE is the ancient Egyptian sun god.
In later Egyptian dynastic times, Ra was subsumed into the god Horus, as Re-Horakhty (and many variant spellings). He commanded sky, earth, underworld. He was associated with the falcon.
In Norse folklore, a rå is a keeper or warden of a particular location or landform. The different species of rå are sometimes distinguished according to the different spheres of nature with which they were connected, such as huldrå (forest), sjörå (freshwater) or havsrå (saltwater), and bergsrå (mountains). As a group, rå could also be referred to as þokka, a name roughly equivalent to nymph.
Ra is the symbol the chemical element radium. Its APPEARANCE is almost pure white, but it readily oxidizes on exposure to air, turning black.
Let See what Egypt means Kemet or Kmt or Black Land or Dark Place
So lets put all that together and See what we get.
To be a Sure Fixed as A Man that is Hidden Among (Amun or Amon) with the Head of a Ram (there Your Horns) that lives in a Black Land or Dark Place With the gods of Appearance as LIGHT (life) but when exposure to Air (life) turns Black (Death) and will be Finish (Atum) or Complete done Over.
Now that is what I see in a NAME: Everything
This is why Akhenaton but away his father gods.
Akhenaton directed his reforms against the cult of Amon, but with little success, and Amon’s status was restored in the 14th–13th century BC. In the New Kingdom, Amon came to be seen as one of a triad with Ptah and Re, and in the 11th–10th century BC as a universal god who intervened in affairs of state by speaking through oracles.
There can only be One.
Yahweh Elohim Yahshua Mean To be the Almighty (Provider) Savior
Yah means Verb meaning to be
Elohim meaning is Almighty
Yahshua Shua mean Savior
January 16, 2009 at 11:14 pm |
That was text is from Isaiah 14:
Research does mean search the web and just find that One thing but Read and Understand Learn and Comperhend What you seeing what you are reading. Research must be Compared to Other Research.
Again Yahweh goes by a Pattern. A pattern that Has a Funcation and Operation. Just like Your Body.
So please Explain why Your body is 3 Fold.
I already say that Platelets are irregularly-shaped, colorless bodies that are present in blood and that is Yahshua who is the HOLY Spirit. ReRead what I said…
January 17, 2009 at 2:01 am |
well according to the idmr this forum may not be the best idea …the shake the dust off your shoes philosophy …and its starting to sound more like a rant than an uplifting situation but if thats what you all need here …so be it
January 17, 2009 at 7:55 am |
This is a matter of great importance that situations of this nature are approached with some extent of patience and careful consideration for yahweh’s purpose. I was pretty much raised in class, brought up under a man by the name of Aaron Bryant as well as various other deans in the state of Louisiana. And it wasnt till this very moment when the creator of all things…big and small, every concept, opinion and everything named and unnamed, pulled me of the phone and away from my favorite tv show and led me to this website……I was goin joggin with another friend of mines this morning…we are young ladies in our twenties, justa joggin and talkin and she told me that her mother had seen a site like this on the internet and it stirred her up a bit…Well i thought id take the initiative to prove all things and see what was up…..i’ve read just about every post from start to finish…..Most of us know that there are various branch schools thats have fallen astray…..and i say that loosely, because these things are gonna happen….Yahweh controls all these things. He created Time to be an illusion of events that have already occurred…..So, Chill out friends, calm down, neither you nor i can grant anyone the holy spirit. this thing is a gift….a very nondeserving gift if i may add! The thing that is of the most utter and urgent importance is remaining in this spiritual battle awaiting the moment that this holy spirit we speak of is formed in YOU!! dont be distracted by wondering whether or not its in the next fella….thats just a way to get you caught up in the moment and the next thing u know that OLD negative spirit has distracted you from that which u need to recognize, and thats the holy spirit winning this battle IN YOU………….See….he IS going to win. He can not lose. That thought alone should be a comfort, a burden of sorts lifted off of you. Several of you are holding a winning ticket, so to speak, Instead of letting that old thing called vanity cause u to start defending that which needs NO defense, use this time to be thankful. Thankful that it aint YOU lost to chaos…..We have these emotions being a major distraction from the ONE thing that is of utter importance and that is The Holy Spirit IN YOU before it is eternally TOO late…….. Yahweh did NOT create no crappy rootie poot devil…He made this devil to be Smart, informative, subtle, sometimes sweet, handsome, intellectual, well traveled, u name it he is ALLOWED to do it!!! The creator that i worship had to make a devil so doggone perfectly deceptive for his own good pleasure, to excercise his own self!!! What are YOU fighting for him for??!! Humble yourself!! And if u cant u BETTER ask him to do it for you. he is POWER, he ISSSS INTELLIGENCE, he is LOVE, he is PATIENCE…he dont need us fighting for him!! Let the devil do his job he was created to do it and he was created to do it VERY WELL….but only in ignorance…..
You cant win over no souls…u aint the soul collector! Time is short…..And ill say one more thing…dont be worried about it endin 1996, or 2000, whenever u was shakin in ur boots!! Yahweh can end YOUR world RIGHT NOW!!! u fighting for him and u cant even control your own heartbeat, u cant even tell that drunk driver that u dont wanna die tonight so dont come down my street!! WE cant stop a terroist from droppin a bomb on all our behinds RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!! WHo do we think we are??……..I’m not mad, im not even talkin to the previous young man or woman who thinks that i may be talkin to him or her……I am speakin to my true brethern in the body of yahshua the messiah out of love…..Use this undeserved grace period to concentrate on ur ownself.
Im just a 27 year old college girl. Who has recognized that to survive any antics of that luciferic spirit, im gonna have to listen to my still small voice, my conscious, which is my creator…my bodyguard, my decision maker…..the one thing that keeps me protected from physical and spiritual danger. That voice is the law that he died on the cross for me to have!!! He is the law and his sons have him as their conscious. When he died the death of an outcast dog it was to fulfill the law! He had to do it…For You…For Me….to be able to then place that law within the confounds of our hearts and our minds so that you and i can render decisions and make the necessary choices……… When i was a kid my mama would say WASH THE DISHES and id say “WHY?? I DID EM LAST NIGHT” and she’d simply reply “cause i said so”….. and that was a type and shadow of how our father deals with us…..SOOOOO for my friend above that asks why do i hold a job, or buy a house, or go to college….i have a simple reply…….because my father said so. Halleluyah
P.s.
I love my brothers and sisters that are not in class i am the youngest of 7 and only us last three were given the divine invitation to attend the institute of divine metaphysical research, ill stand for the ones outside of class just as much as the ones in class, but if any of the ones that aint in class try to distract me from what thus sayth Yahweh THEN THEY GOT TO GO! but i can guarantee u that Yahweh has blessed me with family that would never do that to me….only by his mercy they dont, See even tho they are not in class…my saviour issues out enough physical love to them to be able to support me, on my journey to salvation…..Stay in the fight young soldiers
January 17, 2009 at 10:38 pm |
So what you are saying is that we should not tell people about yahshua and just be selfish and keep it to ourselves.How did you end up in class ,maybe someone shared it with you and you went.We are Yahwehs vessels and he may use various methods to get his message out.The problem with IDMR is that has perverted what Dr.Kinley taught .Dr Kinley never taught members to worship him.He was givin the gift of prophecy by yahweh ,he was only the messenger.When IDMR started replacing yahshua with Dr. Kinley I stop going to class.Many people in Idmr blindley follow everything Dr. Harris says.They must confuse him with the Pope.I prefer to do my own research and share what I know via internet or by talking to people
January 18, 2009 at 8:25 pm |
yahweh never said get a job or go to college or buy a house but if you need that so be it according to the new testament he did say love him and your bretheren…people are always pickin on dr harris ….he never even wanted this job he has …ive known him since i was a kid and hes always been a great soul…as far as i always was told the only difference between doc kinley and us is nothing.we are all the holy spirit its just that doc knew it.remember we are all still human..this business about no one making mistakes on the floor is bull my dad was a dean for years and i watched many a fight by my parents over my dad sayin the wrong thing at times we all need someone to keep us in check …theres alot that happens in any group of people we are not infallible neither is the idmr or anyone we are taught to investigate all things not just that bible if that was the whole thing alot of us wouldnt be here any longer yahweh is vast as his children we need to look at all aspects of him to really understand him…or her whatever…good journey
January 19, 2009 at 3:54 pm |
Quote from Edrina:
In Norse folklore, a rå is a keeper or warden of a particular location or landform. The different species of rå are sometimes distinguished according to the different spheres of nature with which they were connected, such as huldrå (forest), sjörå (freshwater) or havsrå (saltwater), and bergsrå (mountains). As a group, rå could also be referred to as þokka, a name roughly equivalent to nymph.
EDRINA…..THE RELIGION FROM KEMET WAS HERE BEFORE “Norse Folklore” EXISTED…..and by the way THIS IS NOT “FOLKLORE”……
Folklore is a “Tale” that has no “EVIDENCE” of its existence other than that from the STORY TELLER…..SORRY
I dont care how you slice it, dice it, chop it, toss it…….”Yahweh was never mentioned in any text in KEMET until somewhere around the 12th century b.c.e”…..AGAIN its IMPOSSIBLE for “YAHWEH” to be the CREATOR of ALL when its OBVIOUS he is potrayed as the “GOD” of “ISRAEL”……correct????
Since he is the GOD of ISRAEL which he is…..Do you people KNOW when ISRAEL was “FIRST” mentioned in the HISTORY of CIVILIZATION?????……….And REMEMBER civilization was here THOUSANDS of years before the FIRST Hebrew “Abrahm” was born…..
Have any of you heard of the “Israel Stella”……In this “Stella” ISRAEL is mentioned for the first time in the HISTORY of mankind……Under the “King Merenptah”……in the 19th Dynasty….
READ THE LAST PARAGRAPH UNDER HIS CAMPAIGNS………
Like I said…..EVERYTHING has a DATE, TIME and PLACE……And you can find that “QUOTE” in the HNB………if it has “NO” date-time-place……Then how can you say its the TRUTH?????
Its so sad to see so many people that believe in a “GOD” of CREATION without having any HISTORICAL DATA of the EXISTANCE of that “GOD”…
I dont know about you…..but when it comes down to saving my SPIRIT so I can GET BACK TO MY CREATOR…..I will make “CERTAIN” that i have all the EVIDENCE I need to get an understanding……
WE REFUSE TO ACCEPT THINGS “BLINDLY”……
And since they are “SO MANY” sects of “YAHWEH”……I would expect people to look hard and deep for the truth….the IDMR is no different than the “House of Yahweh”….or YAHWEH ben YAHWEH….or “The Prophet Yahweh”…..and the list goes on……..And what makes it so “PITIFUL”……ALL these sects use the same SOURCE/BIBLE…..and then they have a different “Doctrine”………
It will not KILL you to pick up some books and do some research…..find as much evidence of what is being taught in your respective religion….make a comparison…..compare DATES-TIMES-PLACES and Names……BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW “SATAN” IS VERY DECEPTIVE….and if you know this then doing research should be a part of your daily lives….
PEACE in the name of the “ALL in ALL Amen-Ra”…….
January 19, 2009 at 4:29 pm |
My Brother MATT……You are by far the only one who make sense of the IDMR…..Yes the members has CORRUPTED what Mr. Kinley taught….I think some of the members need to take a crash course from the beginning of the IDMR…..I think you all have a website of the “EARLY VIDEOS” of Mr. Kinley……I suggest that those members who have taken Mr. Kinley as the “Messiah” should look at these early videos……
But I should point out again……We are not trying to change anyones belief system…..If praising Yahweh is your THING……then do what you do…..
Just remember what was in the “BEGINNING” will be in the “END”…..and that beginning was in “KEMET”.
PEACE
January 19, 2009 at 8:27 pm |
The “ISRAEL STELLA”…….can be seen “AS IS” in the Cairo Museum…..
This is NOT Folklore or a Story being told…..THIS IS HARD-PHYSICAL-EVIDENCE…..
It was found in “Thebes” in the 12th Centuryb.c.e…..it was erected by AMENHOTEP III in the 18th Dynasty in the “middle or Late” 13th centuryb.c.e…
Here is the LINK to it again…..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merneptah_Stele
January 20, 2009 at 1:26 am |
well i respect the fact you have a lot of knowledge on ancient history as i love the subject i dont know why i have been looking at this sight lately and im probably about done …anyway i dont know the whole story but i believe one of the last kings of egypt did switch the religion to a monothiestic system that is suspected to be directly because of the hebrews it is thought this efectively put the priests out of power and was not very well embraced …anyway idmr believes that in a spiritual sense returning to egypt is a spiritual type of hell or slavery ….the bondage of the mind…ignorance …this has no bearing on like or dislike of modern day egyptians it is a learning description you will find on the moses chart ….anyway my point is i doubt anyone in the idmr would go backwards to a many god system….i do not attend the idmr anymore nor will i ….that doesnt change the fact that a large part of the info i recieved there over a 20 year period is still used in my everyday living ….i am more into looking beyond religion at this point to look at other aspects of our creators creation …i wish you well with your kemet spiritual base and hope it is very enriching for you anything that is nonviolent and brings people closer to there creator is fine by me ….i no longer nor did i really ever believe in an afterlife hell but i do believe the negative attributes definetly disrupt our spiritual progress sooner or later we will all be done with this world of schooling then we will be off to other things in the many mansions of our creator ….good journey
January 20, 2009 at 8:04 pm |
Thank you Mark for your Opinion……..
I must clarify some things for you. We do not try to make anyone change their belief system. If someone wants to worship yahweh or Allah or any other god that is their preference…not ours.
Our Doctrine is based on “Historical” Data that has been “Verified” thru Research of “ALL” Religious documents that we can find that concerns the “Modern Day” Religions we have in the world…..
We compare Ideologies….We compare Doctrines….We compare Historical-Archealogical-Anthropological-Biological-DNA Evidence.
The fact of the matter is “ALL the Religions of today are BASED upon what was being TAUGHT in KEMET…….Like it or not
The BIBLE is 95% Fiction……It “Does Not-Will Not” give you any “Proof” other than what the “WRITER-Translator” will give you……
In order to have an understanding of “Yahweh” or any other “GOD”…..You must “FIRST” have an understanding of “History”……and history will tell you along with “EVIDENCE” that the PEOPLE IN KEMET was practicing “Spirituality” and Praying to “A” one God/Neteru….LONG BEFORE any of these different DIVISIONS of RELIGIONS came on the SCENE…..
Now you must have a undestanding of “Kemet” when I say they prayed to “One God”…….
In sumation……If you notice in “Kemet”…..you will see various names…Like Amen-Aten-Heru-Atom-Amun so on and so forth…..BUT, you will also see a “Connecting” name….”Ra”……
(“RA”)…is the CREATOR in his “Purest-Unseen-Uncomprehensible State”…..
Satan has TRIED his best to “Demoralize” the Civilization of KEMET……To no avail……AND FOR THOSE WHO CALL KEMET “HELL” is living in a SATANIC spirit…….
KEMET IS THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD…….where civilization started
Peace
January 21, 2009 at 11:52 pm |
I was a member of the IDMR for a long, long time. Emphasis on WAS.
The IDMR claims to be a “religious and scientific research organization”. However, any true research . . . other than reading the Bible and the Institutes’ own literature, is discouraged. Dr. Robert Harris, the current leader of the group, has publicly stated that “everything you need to be saved has already been revealed” & therefore research is pointless. For truth’s sake, the IDMR should stop posturing otherwise . . .
The IDMR denies science when it is inconvenient or conflicts with their teachings. For example, they deny the historicity of the fossil record, saying that Yahweh-Elohim planted the dinasaur bones, etc. to make it appear that the world was older than 6,000 years . . . essentially to deceive “the smart boys”!
They have always professed to be able to answer any question “to your satisfaction.” But if you ask them some difficult questions, you may not be satisfied with the answers. Eventually, you will be accused of being “carnal minded”, i.e. satanic simply for asking.
Here’s an example of a question that has never been answered to my satisfaction: If the Bible says that “by grace are ye saved”, and that you are not judged by your works, then why does the IDM require that you attend 3 lectures / week? What is getting dressed up and driving to a lecture hall if it is not a “work.” If it is a work, then it cannot be grace at the same time . . .
The IDMR has its own system of thinking and logic that is incredibly controlling. Carried to extremes, it can be very destructive to family and personal welfare. If you are a member of this group, or a cult, you should read John D. Goldhammer’s book, “Under the Influence – The Destructive Effects of Group Dynamics.” You will be enlightened if you read it objectively, because it has no agenda, i.e. no anti-religious bias. Based upon summary of traits of destructive groups, the IDMR does very, very poorly.
The IDMR kept sway over members for decades: the founder said “you will not live to see the year 2000″ and the present leader, Dr. Harris, publicly stated that the world would end before 1996.
Well, here we are — almost 2008 — and the group has never bothered to admit that it was mistaken. Other prophecies that did not come true have been similarly swept under the rug, in denial mode.
To me, the truth — as best as we can understand it — trumps everything else, especially dogma
January 21, 2009 at 11:57 pm |
I too was bamboozled by IDMR and experienced the same thing you did…. questions did not get answered. Is it just me or do these people have the highest divorce rate and they get “drunker” than anybody I’ve ever seen. I was under their “spell” for about six monthes and felt like something was choking the life out of me. Not only that I had my children involved and even they knew something wasn’t right. Thank God for his Holyspirit and for his son Jesus Christ for deliverance out of the pit of hell in which these people will continue to experience if they don’t wake up and know that their is only one way to God and that is through his son JESUS CHRIST
January 22, 2009 at 5:33 am |
I hope this will answer your question about what you ask. For the Sons of YAHWEH OUR ELOHIM AND YAHSHUA THE MESSIAH Yahweh is One Yahweh.
Frank asks:
1.The IDMR kept sway over members for decades: the founder said “you will not live to see the year 2000″ and the present leader, Dr. Harris, publicly stated that the world would end before 1996.
Edrina Answer: Yahweh place time or create time. But, Remember Yahweh abide with eternity. There is no physical time in eternity.
When Gregory XIII had Auguste Comte to design the Gregorian Calendar, which we use today. There were 2 errors in it. One error was that he had Yahshua born in the Present Kingdom Age or the Age of Grace. And the 2nd error was that he starts with the Messiah at the age of 4.
Now in the book (bible) says, Galatians 4:4-5 But when the time had fully come, Yahweh sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons.
When Yahshua Died on the Cross-at the Age or 33 usher Us into the Present Kingdom Age or the Age of Grace.
That 4-year error: 2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with Yahweh as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
Yahshua the Messiah came in on the 4000 year not the 4004-day as Auguste Comte has him in. Which Auguste Comte starts counting Yahshua at the age of 4. Or he was not 4 year old in the year 4000. Now looking at Yahweh time from Adam until Yahshua died on the Cross was 4033.
So you have to take the first error out or subtract (33) Since, we Know that the Messiah was born under the Law. 2008-33= 1975
Then you must Add 4 year back in 1975 + 4 = 1979 That is what there are talking about when you hear 2000.
Now this if you believe that there was a Messiah and what the book says.
Also, Look up Information on How Gregorian Calendar and Jewish calendar.
Now that goes back to the Question by Yahweh time No we have Not Seen the Year 2000. Because A Man again if Yahweh hasn’t given a Vision and Revelation of Him will but himself or what he think in it.
I hope that Answer the Question about that 2000 date.
You have the give right to be satisfy by a question we may not agree on the answer give by proof should be give allow with the Question. So, you need to Researcher Calendar Auguste Which we See and us what it is base on.
Frank ask:
Here’s an example of a question that has never been answered to my satisfaction: If the Bible says that “by grace are ye saved”, and that you are not judged by your works, then why does the IDM require that you attend 3 lectures / week?
Edrina Answer:
John 14: 1-3 When Yahshua had spoken these words, he lifted up his eyes to heaven and said, “Father, (Yahweh) the hour has come; glorify thy Son that the Son may glorify thee, since thou hast given him power over all flesh, to give eternal life to all whom thou hast given him. And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true Elohim, and Yahshua Messiah whom thou hast sent.
Everybody out there in the world is look for some type of Eternal life, I come to understand that to inherent Eternal you must have some Knowledge and understanding of who your creator is. And how do you get Knowledge by going to a school or by a teacher.
Or lets say it another way if you have Children and they have to go to school 5 days a week plus come home and do homework and study about what they have learn so that they can have good a understanding of the Natural. So, just turn around and look at Spiritual Your Father has made a way so that you and I can have a true Understanding of Him.
We, all may not like what’s going on in different branches of IDMR. But, that does not dismiss Yahweh. Again Like I said, before Yahweh doesn’t want you look at A Man but Him as the Savior. Dr. Kinley is not the Savior; Dr. Harris is not the savior YOU NOR I ARE THE SAVIOR. They each, as You and I play a role in the Purpose of YAHWEH.
3 days week is 120 minutes Yahweh put time on Man during Noah AGE as 120 years. And then the flood came. Try to look at all things as in the Purpose of Yahweh.
Frank ask:
1.The IDMR denies science when it is inconvenient or conflicts with their teachings. For example, they deny the historicity of the fossil record, saying that Yahweh-Elohim planted the dinasaur bones, etc. to make it appear that the world was older than 6,000 years . . . essentially to deceive “the smart boys”!
Edrina Answer:
How can you discover something that was already here before Reverend Plot so called discovery. Ancient Greek and Roman had are finding and also, Wucheng, Sichuan, China this is you get story of Dragon form because they had found bones also way before 1676. Historical evidence.
So let look at what Yahweh says bones are Remember, all life comes from Spirit. (Things seen and unseen.) Genesis 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and the earth when they were created. In the day that the Yahweh Elohim made the earth and the heavens,
Now Yahweh did not say Day with (s) or DayS Yahweh said, In the DAY so like I said before Yahweh abide with in Eternality. The Creation abides within Yahweh. So to Show forth that Eternality that Why Science keep add millions and millions of years to the earth because that cannot but time on Eternality and those Bones or fossil represent the Angelic Creation. And Physical Creation was just draw out of the Angelic Creation. Remember the Sun Moon and Stars were first before Animal life. Sun (Son) is Yahshua because it was place on the 4 day or 4000 year because Yahweh says, Zero has no value.(Or 400 4000 400000 means the Same to Yahweh.) Now that Moon Represent Anti-Messiah because it Appears to have Light or (life) of its own but it Light comes from the Sun. And those Star Represent the Angelic. That’s why some (stars) have a long life and some don’t and that’s why they don’t brighten the sky at night. Because, the stars are not the True light or life that Lights the Whole word.
Now Science by looking out into Space has found that there is another light source, Which they are calling the Unknown light Source. They don’t know were it is coming from or why its there.
That goes back to what Yahweh says, Genesis: 1:3 And God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. 4 And God saw that the light was good. Now that light, which Yahweh is talking about to Moses here, is not the SUN but is Elohim remember the SUN was on the 4 day so what light is Yahweh talking about. Elohim is that or Yahweh Elohim.
Also, Bones represent the enter man or the Soul.
Another thing can help look for a good search engine program that allow you to search the on line, bible and reference and history etc…
Keep asking those question and just dont expect anything but also ask Yahweh for the understanding and Purpose of all thing.
January 22, 2009 at 7:57 am |
From Mary and other had blog this:
divorce rate and they get “drunker” than anybody I’ve ever seen. I was under their “spell” for about six monthes and felt like something was choking the life out of me.
Edrina answer: Yahweh who you call Lord and Elohim you is God and Jesus who is Yahshua. December 5, 2008 at 4:23 reread on the Name.
Also, IDMR the Whole World is Playing a part in the purpose of Yahweh so let see what happen during the time of Moses in the Wilderness of Sinai.
Exdous: Moses was on Mt Sinai and he left Aaron his brother to deal with the people. They said, I don’t know what has happen to this Moses that has brought us out of the land of Egypt (darkness) The people of Isreal thought he was dead because. He was up there without Natural food or water for 40 days.
So Aaron tells the people to break off the golden earrings which were in their ears, and they brought them unto Aaron. Aaron fashion it with a graving tool, the molten calf of gold. Aaron told the people but on to morrow we will make a feast (worship) unto Yahweh.
Which means the lost the Hearing and gave it over to image a false image. Because they had to See something Physcial they had to worship something seen.That was not what Moses Aaron with his 2 son and and the 70 Elders in 24 chapter Exduos said what they saw a body in it clearness it had hands and feet.
Now that gold molten calf is a Egyptian god called Apis or Hapis it was a dull idol or deity worshiped in the Memphis region.
That calf had horns it was a 4 foot beast and it was adorn with jewelry. Or it look or appeared pleaseing to the eye.
In the camp they were dancing and drinking or (drunken) and worship of another god Anti-messiah. And that beast did put a spell on them to make them think that was the Elohim that brought them out of Egypt.
Now that don’t look like of flame of fire or a Cloud does it which Yahweh said that he was. That I Yahweh took you out of Darkness because Egypt mean dark Place or black land. (Or no understanding.)
So they divorce themselves from there Husbandman Yahweh. Remember they were marry unto Yahweh when they said all they I have heard I will do at the Mt.
One more thing about this Aaron who made the calf turn around and told Moses this, “ Let not the anger of my master wax hot; thou knowest the people that they are set on mischief. For they said unto me, Make us gods.(idols) And I said unto them Whosoever hath any gold, let them break it off. So they gave it me; then I cast it into the fire, and there came out this calf.”
So the story had change Aaron said one thing to the people and another to Moses. Aaron Fashion that calf. But later in the story it just came out of the fire.
As the story continue Moses made them to eat that calf which they worship and then he said, “to out the camp every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate througout the camp and slay every man his brother and every man his companion and every man his neighbour.”
But who was still stand here after this the one who fashion that golden calf. Levi Aaron.
(Mary: divorce rate and they get “drunker” than anybody I’ve ever seen. I was under their “spell” for about six monthes and felt like something was choking the life out of me.)
I said all of that just to say this One thing when you want worship the creature a person and not the Creator he will give what you want. Service of the man and not Yahweh you become divorce and lose of your true Husbandman and drink with the drunker and you become under that spell of the Anti-messiah or Back in the Darkness which he brought you out of.
Every thing derives from Spirit so In order to understand Spirit Yahweh place something physical to represent it. It can represent good and bad or life (truth) and death (lie or false) Understanding or No Understanding Yahweh or the Anti-messiah.
All things are good and very good unto Yahweh.
I hope this answer your question.
January 22, 2009 at 2:37 pm |
Ana this website is mind boggling…I told you that!! Growing up in IDMR I used to always here them say that people call us a C-U-L-T and I had never believed or phathomed that people thought that until my mother STUMBLED… And i do mean stumbled upon this site and she yelled for me to come here and that is when I finally was able to see with my own eyes of what people think about “US PEOPLE” (the people of the IDMR)
People are quick to knock our teaching but fail to realize, or maybe they dont fail to realize, but are just simply ignorant or blind sighted of the truth, primarily because he hasnt allowed them to see….For those affiliated with IDMR who post on this site. It doesnt matter how much you try to make someone see…If he has placed blinders on them WE as a physical people can not make them see…no matter how hard we try, we just cant make them see…we know that when the devil is on you Yahshua can get him off of you, but when Yahshua places his wrath upon you, nothing can get him off. We all know his wrath is just as great as his love. Is it not simply obvious that he despenced his love u
January 22, 2009 at 2:59 pm |
(im sry i made a mistake and clicked the mouse)
But is it not simply obvious that he is dispencing love to us…primarily because he has allowed us to see. Some will see and some will not and that is the bottom line of it all. I am just thankful that he has allowed me to see and you should be to!!!
For those who dont understand…. Im sorry for you, but I am much, much more thankful that he has allowed me to see… That is were we all should be at spiritually, just focusing on what is dwelling within you and what Dr. Kinley has you going through…not on the next man. I have this CD that came out a few months ago…A Conversation With Dr. Harris, and he briefly states that we are busy being caught up in the next man rather than what he is allowing you to go through, which is going to cause you to lose your soul .
Focus on him and no one else just be thankful that he is allowing you to see, be thankful that he is still dispencing his love upon you!!!
January 22, 2009 at 4:14 pm |
In support of Kered, my brother in faith. Kered, you know we have traveled around the globe searching for answers. We visited places those who belong to the IDMR have yet to see.
I have a question, but I think Kered asked it already and that is, how can a people the “Hebrews” or “Israelites” claim to be “Yahwehs” chosen when in fact the first hebrew did not exist until 3000 years after the first dynasty of Kemet?
The first dynasty of Kemet started around 5000b.c.e. You can go anywhere in the WORLD and I will guarentee you will NOT find any Physical-Archealogical-Biological evidence of a “hebrew” or any other “civilized” people living during that time period.
It amazes me how we accept things from the KJV-HNB or any other Bible that has contradictions from Genesis to Revelations.
For those of you TODAY who belong to IDMR and who beleive in the god of “Israel” I have a question?
The first “Phallacy” is the hebrews built the Pyramids when in fact the Pyramids were built by the people of Kemet themselves.
The first pyramid “the step pyramid” was “designed and built” by a man named “Imhotep” around the year 3500b.c.e. And for those of you who do not know of him, just do some research and be AMAZED.
There were no hebrews back then, no Israel back then and No god named “Yahweh”.
So how can “Yahweh and his people” be the chosen?????
With all this evidence of civilization looking at us in our face, yet we still have some of us “Afraid” to move out of their “Comfort Zone”.
We give all our praises to “Ra”
PEACE
January 23, 2009 at 4:01 am |
Wayne–Why we are afraid to leave the “Comfort Zone” Says:
1.There were no hebrews back then, no Israel back then and No god named “Yahweh”.
So how can “Yahweh and his people” be the chosen?????
Edrina Answer:
I going to say this like this Yahweh is the god of Everybody it doesn’t matter if you like or not That just the way it is. Now Yahweh was before anything physically made and to prove that you can us anything. Because Yahweh is Spirit. And Every derives from Spirit. Yahweh is in the Human body the Animal the Plants, the Elements and so on and so forth.
Like I always say, If we have a Creator and He made a Creation wouldn’t you be able to see him in it or Couldn’t you be able to define him in? Wouldn’t we be able to declare him in it?
So let see if Science and Yahweh mix. With most people belief system about Creator they would say No. I said, you can with the understanding of Yahweh because it comes from Him.
The Periodic Table is a Tabular arrangement of the chemical elements according to atomic number as based on the periodic law. Now a law is a fact of Evidence. That is use to describe the elements you can see Yahweh in us and around us.
HWHY is Seen in the Hebrew because Hebrew read from Right to Left. If we examine the letter H would be first letter in English Write from Left to Right.
H on the Periodic Table is first and it stands for HYDROGEN it value is 1. (Yahweh our Elohim is One Yahweh not many gods.) Hydrogen weight, 75% of the Visible Universe it is Colorless GAS (Spirit). Its 90 % of ALL atoms — three quarters of the mass of the universe! (Yahweh has 9 divine attributes) This element is found in the stars, and plays an important part in powering the universe through both the proton-proton reaction and carbon-nitrogen cycle. Stellar hydrogen fusion processes release massive amounts of energy by combining hydrogen to form Helium.
In the space you can see what is call the EAGLE Nebula Because of the reaction Hydrogen between the starlight. (Here that banner of the Eagle that was around the Tabernacle).
On a side Note: Its also is refer to the Pillars of Creation. And Only can be seen In Extra Vision or with X-ray.
W on the Periodic Table corresponds to TUNGSTEN is value is 74. Pure tungsten is Steel-gray to tin-white metal. (Here those color of that cloud again, In Yahweh Pure Spirit State He is Incomprehensible. Yahweh is 3 fold)
It’s the only metal third transition series that occur in bimolecular. In its pure form is mainly in electrical applications. Tungsten has the highest melting point of all metals, and at temperatures over 1650C has the highest tensile strength.
Now that brings me back to the Letter H, which also means HE in Periodic Table. Which already mention in Hydrogen to form HELIUM it value is 2. This Helium is colorless inert gas that glows (understanding or light).
Helium has the lowest melting point of any element and is widely used in cryogenic (storage system) research because its boiling point is close to absolute zero. Also, the element is vital in the study of super conductivity. (Now Yahweh said HE is ELOHIM, Still that a shape and form ELOHIM is SUPER INCORPOREAL (angelic) form of a man. Elohim is what Moses saw on the Mt it was colorless it was the body in it Clearness.
Except for hydrogen, helium is the most abundant element found in the UNIVERSE. Helium is extracted from natural gas. In fact, all natural gas contains at least trace quantities of helium.
Then it brings us to the Letter Y, which is on the Periodic Table as YTTIRUM it value is 39. It has a silver-metallic Luster and is STABLE in AIR. It is RARELY seen in is PURE STATE. It is a RARE-MINERAL. When ignited in air exceed 400 C. Now Yahweh has a Pure State His understanding of Him is RARE. Yahweh is Yahshua the Messiah that came into this World on the 4000 year and Place the Sun in the Universal on the 4th day. Zero has No value to Yahweh because 4 days is the same as 400 or 4000.
So we have elements of Hydrogen (H), Tungsten (W), Helium (H) and Yttrium (Y).
Yahweh said, that He is Spirit (Gas). Now Spirit is the Source the Substance that all life comes from. With are Natural 5 Sense will are unable to comprehend Yahweh in his Pure Spirit State. Yahweh said he chose a CLOUD because it has No particular shape or form. A Cloud is has a grayish and white color or tint. That is why Yahweh took on a shape form as Elohim. Elohim can be seen in Vision and Understood in Revelation.
When describing this element you can see that some of the element give off a Luster or Glow So Yahweh give you light. (What gives a Luster or Glow something that shines or has light, or LIFE) There is No darkness in Yahweh, Yahweh had to Create Darkness.
And then Yahweh our Elohim just step into his Creation on the 4000-year as Yahshua the Messiah.
Those Elements are (old then 5000 BCE) foundation of many things in the Universal and there Were here long before us. I did not write the Periodic Table Nor describe the element where Science and other Research did that one. Those words and phrase about the elements come from the Periodic Table Chart, which anyone can look up and also, look up that Eagle Nebula and what does the proton-proton reaction and carbon-nitrogen cycle.
Everything that is Physical has a Spiritual Meaning.
January 23, 2009 at 3:23 pm |
Its amazing how we accept things that does not make sense. Before any of us knew about a Yahweh, or Amen-Ra or any other God, we were either a Catholic or a Baptist. If you are a Baptist you say you are “christian” and if you are a Catholic you say you are a “christian”.
Those who now believe in “Yahweh” was once christians. I dont think any of you started out believing in Yahweh since the name Yahweh was removed from the KJB and the majority of us grew up as christians.
I was raised in a christian family. I believed what was told to me that pertains to the BIBLE.
But one thing always perplexed me and that was: When GOD cursed HAM and his decendents turning them BLACK. Now I am a black women and I DO NOT PRACTICE RACISM.
I always questioned myself. If GOD, “Yahweh” since he is the GOD of the modern day bible cursed me for an eternity, then that tells me that I am NOT one of his “Chosen” people of Israel and it is virtually IMPOSSIBLE for my SPIRIT to be saved since “Yahweh” never said that curse would be removed and I would turn back to my natural color.
My “common sense” finally kicked in and I started doing research. I found evidence upon evidence of civilization and a place called “Kemet” erroneously named “Egypt” by the Greeks.
The people of Kemet was practising and teaching about a CREATOR long before a Hebrew walked the earth. Like I said I do not practise racism. But I must ask those of you who believe in YAHWEH who are of “Color” how can you still worship a GOD that cursed you for an eternity, yet you still believe he is the CREATOR of YOU?
It clearly states that Yahweh is the GOD of the Hebrews and of Israel. The Hebrews nor Israel existed when the people of Kemet was teaching of a CREATOR. So how can he be the CREATOR of ALL?
IN THE MINDS OF A SELECT FEW HE IS “THEIR” CREATOR……but he is NOT the creator of the UNIVERSE and all that is in it.
The people of Kemet taught about a god named “Ra”. “Ra” is pure spirit and of matter that exist in all living creatures. ALL LIVING CREATURES ARE MADE UP OF “ATOMS” or in the essence of “Atum”. The GREEKS came up with the name of “Atom” to describe “that which is unseen matter”. But the People of Kemet used the name “Atum-Ra”.
“Atum describes the “Physical” and “Ra” describes the “Spirit” which is in that physical body. The name “Amun-Amen-Amon all describes the Physical not the Spiritual.
Now the Greeks did not come into existance until 1000b.c.e. But we know civilization was here LONG before that. And the GREEKS themselves will tell you that.
I am thankful that i was able to Discern “Facts” from “Fiction. We give praise to the one and only CREATOR od ALL
“RA”
January 26, 2009 at 4:59 am |
Luke:
Please check out the following website promoting original teaching of Dr Kinley. It also contains mp3 lectures and transcripts.
http://www.soundingthetrumpet.com/true.htm
If you would like to ask questions, you are very welcome to write to yahshuan@gmail.com.
January 26, 2009 at 3:11 pm |
I live in the Los Angeles area and was invited to a class session in L.A. I must admit I was very offended when the people of this group call Dr. Kinley the Messiah and Yahweh in the flesh. I do not belong to any religious group, however I am a very spiritual person. What I can not understand is we still have people today in this age believing that GOD will step into a human body and give that person a NEW vision or a NEW doctrine to preach.
I read the BIBLE on a daily basis and in one of the chapters it CLEARLY states that “nothing should be added or taken out of this content”.
Dr. Kinley and countless others have done the contrary. They have taken the bible out of “context” and added their own belief. And those who follow such teachings will end up in that place which they talk about; the lake of fire.
The whole BIBLE is “gods” word from genesis to revelations, these are “gods” words. Why would countless people claim to have a vision/revelation from “god” when “god” has already given the vision/revelation to “moses” and “john” and “saul” long before Dr. Kinley was born or anyone else claiming to have a vision from “god”???
Satan said he will be like the “most high” and he will come in peace.
Sorry to say to my friend who invited me but I will NOT return to that place to hear any of that foolishness.
January 26, 2009 at 9:45 pm |
LOL whats funny is how different names pop back up saying the same stuff over and over Kered said at the top of this Blog. So to be honest if you are re-posting things please stop, i can see the pattern. (ie Frank, Lisa, Mary crap)
Also Edrina like ol girl said you stated your point, it is time to shake the dust off your shoes, you really tried. I understand some people get the understanding that we dont want to share but we do share and we keep sharing, but like all things there is a time when you must shake the dust off your shoes and move. We dont have the final decision, ultimately it is up to Yahweh for them to see or understand what we are speaking. I have friends i get in arguements with everyday, and i use the simple True or False and they still dont understand.
Kered I understand your point, but if the Kemets arent even the first culture around your basis is incorrect, since you feel “the first civilization” is right. Since its not the Kemets you should worship something else or change your point.
Most people like ive been saying fail to realize that there is a negative force working within, and will always work within. One class doesnt speak for the whole institute, some classes have fell off others have not, some proclaim Dr Kinley more than they claim Yahshua, i for one hate that, but the devil is not going to stop me from getting the word. I get up and proclaim Yahshua and Yahweh no matter what!
Most people worship the messenger and dont get the message, thats what seperates the real from the fake. I hope you guys all got something out of this. In the end you can only speak for yourself bottom line! Stay up!
January 26, 2009 at 10:55 pm |
Sam……I dont know what pattern you see with my post and others……
Sam if you read my post closely I said KEMET WAS THE FIRST “CIVILIZED” people/culture on earth…….now SAM I also gave you a definition on the word civilization……and you still missed it.
If we have a group of people who cant read or write or domesticate cattle or distiguish right from wrong then they are NOT considered “Civilized or Culturally Civil”…….
Its proven fact the human was on this earth tens of thousands of years…..
And the fact still remains……..The first hebrew came on the scene at least 3500 years after the first “Civilized” dynasty of Kemet…….
Yahweh/Yashua has nothing to do with Salvation-Creation……They were made up by the Hebrew…….but you have the right to praise what god suits you……..
but your common sense should tell you that something is wrong….ESPECIALLY WHEN WE HAVE PROOF THAT THE PYRAMIDS WERE HERE BEFORE THE HEBREW…..SO HOW COULD THEY HAVE BUILT THEM????
Peace
January 27, 2009 at 12:07 am |
Ronnie,
I was saddened to read your story. I know many IDMR classes teach that Dr Kinley was the Messiah. To have the Messiah in you (Colossians 1:29) is not the same as to be the Messiah. If the speaker in the class you attended knew that a new person was in the audience and was making these statements without explaining, it is spiritual negligence (in the best case scenario) or wickedness. In the IDMR at present, there are those who have twisted Dr. Kinley’s teaching.
Dr Kinley never taught that he was the Messiah who died to save sinners, or that he was above other believers. He never taught that his vision was different from the visions given to Moses, John and Paul. In fact, he stressed that his vision and revelation were the same as those written about in the Bible and if he was teaching anything different he would be a liar.
You indicated in your post that reading the Bible is sufficient, but many religions based on the Bible disagree about virtually all subjects, for example water baptism. 99% of Christianity teaches that God wants us to be water baptized. Some teach that it is necessary, others that it is important merely as a symbol. Some teach full immersion, others sprinkling. Definitely a vision is needed. In Romans 10, Paul writes that faith comes by hearing, not by reading. Someone has to know how to teach the gospel according to the law and the prophets (1Cor15:1-4): it is not explained in the Bible. That is why Yahweh gave a vision and revelation to Dr. Kinley and that is how the true gospel has been preached, even though now it is corrupted in many (not all) classes.
There are at least two classes near LA that still teach as Dr Kinley taught: Oceanside and Ontario, CA.
Please check out the following website promoting original teaching of Dr Kinley. It also contains mp3 lectures and transcripts.
http://www.soundingthetrumpet.com/true.htm
If you would like to ask questions, you are very welcome to write to yahshuan@gmail.com.
January 27, 2009 at 5:38 pm |
I WILL BE WHAT I WILL TO BE…….this statement is what Yahweh said
I HAVE MULTITUDE OF NAMES AND FORMS…….this statement is what “Ra” said.
Now lets look at this.
We can trace back the religion of Kemet to 5000b.c.e……..
The first hebrew which was Abraham came on the scene between the 18th-17th centuryb.c.e…..
The name YAHWEH did NOT EXIST until the 12th-11th centuryb.c.e. Thats when the “Israel Stella” was found mentioning the name of a people called the “Israelites”. This stella was created during the Reign of Amenhotep IVth but it was found during the Reign of Merenptah.
NOW, it must be an ‘Enslaved Mind” to beleive that Yahweh is the CREATOR of ALL when we have that same statement being used by “Ra” who was being PRAISED thousands of years before ABRAHAM.
The Hebrew Religion and ALL other Religions are PLAGARIZING the Religion of KEMET…..
We have pictures of A Jesus/Yashua the christ with his “HEART BLEEDING” correct? I know some of you HAD that picture when you were practicing Christianity.
That bleeding heart was supposed to represent the “Purety” of Christ…correct? Why would they use the “Heart” to represent “Purety”?
Now pay attention……..Its is written in the Religion of Kemet that when you DIE…..your “Heart” will be Weighed agaisnt the “Feather of Goddes Ma’at” or the feather of TRUTH…….
And what was the TRUTH? The truth was the “42 Virtues of goddess Ma’at”…..this is where YOU get the 10 commandments from…….
I am just thankful that I was “AWAKENEND” from my “MENTAL SLAVERY”…..
PEACE to ALL of YOU in the name of
January 27, 2009 at 5:41 pm |
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PEACE to ALL of YOU in the name of “Amen-Ra”…….The Original ALL in ALL
January 27, 2009 at 8:25 pm |
Live2bLive
I will respond to you. I went on the link you provided. Are you a satellite of the IDMR? The IDMR have a saying in their openeing with the moderator who says “powers latent in man”. I see you use that as your title.
Thats good. But the truth remains. Before any hebrew walked the earth the people of Kemet was already praying to a Creator God named “Ra”. The Pyramids were already here BEFORE Abrahm came along. I know the members of the IDMR think they have the TRUTH. Just like the Jehovah witness and those of the Islam Faith and the rest of them.
All these religions are only BABIES. They are the “Offspring” of the parent religion. The parent religion is that which started in Kemet some 6000 years ago.
January 27, 2009 at 10:22 pm |
YAHWEH and AMEN RA ARE NOT The SAME THING you’re totally WRONG: NOR JESUS
See that is you are confuses at See YAHSHUA AND Jesus are 2 different thing that the only way I can say it.
People whom worship JESUS and Kemetism they still are working out there Salvation. They believe that the Jesus is coming back on a Physical Cloud. Most Christian, belief that Jesus raised a physical body after he died on the Cross. Christian belief that God and Lord are Names and that they are not Titles. They also belief that Lord, God and Jesus are a trinity. Now their still getting baptizes in physical Water and Christian are Still Tarring for the Holy Ghost. They Christian worship the Creator Physically Just like People of Kemetism. Christian and Kemetism Practitioner tend to us TRADITION of Ancient Pagan Gods Perform some type of Rituals. They have Jesus born in the Dead of Winter December. Christian and Kemetism in the Age of Grace still built Physical ALTAR that Hold their idols in something and worship PHYSICALLY. The Mother Mary Picture of Jesus, Kemetism with their figures of Gods, Amulets Symbols and other religion attributes. Christian has JESUS setting up a Christian Example So they can be Christ Like. They Christian walk around with there Cross or bearing of the Cross in there Homes. And they go off worshiping of the Xmas Tree and The Easter Bunny and Santa Claus and so on so forth. Those are same idols that back there during Ancient Times. Or walking around in a Robe with a white collar (Christian) or white clothe (Kemetism) on To say some words to a god and praise it.
Kemetism and Christian both do Physical Water Purification. Which still is a type being baptize. (Likely water can purify the outter body) And the Worship of some hand made thing that they Say is a god or a form of Ra.
IDMR is not a CHRISTIAN Organization Yahshua is not the Jesus whom they Christian think they are worshiping. You can Read the King James Version or the Holy Name Version. The Savior in both of the book said One thing that I came to Fulfill which mean to complete to finish.
Yahshua says I come to fulfill. We (Idmr) do NOT worship Yahweh PHYSICAL because he is Spirit. So can’t put Yahweh attributes in a physical figure of Amulet or a Symbol. Have a Figure that you hold in your hand or put in pocket or place on the hood of your car. Yahweh is not in IDOL he is not a Short Arm Elohim OR a short Arm god that you get on you KNEES and Cross your Arms and Pray to.
The Word Yah mean something is or is a Verb that means TO BE. Yahweh said, Det:6:4 HEAR O ISREAL I AM UNITY ONE. Yahweh did not say I Have multitude NAMES. He Yahweh make sure that His Name is not take in Vain which mean to be to Naught or to Nothing. I Yahweh don’t give my Name to another.
I WILL TO BE WHAT I WILL TO BE
Let give you a better UNDERSTANDIBG about this I will to be what I will to be. I will to be the Almighty Provider Savior. Which is Yahweh Elohim Yahshua This is ONE NAME. This NOT MANY NAMES. So that a HUGH different between Ra and YAHWEH.
Ra is a compound or Factual of combine or Add to Names. The History of Ra was first all as the MORIN SUN, Later it Rule over the change of the day then later on in Egyptian History is was also relative to the Night.
So The Word RA or RE doesn’t have the Same mean; You said, “I HAVE MULTITUDE OF NAMES AND FORMS…….this statement is what “Ra” said.
Now Ra or Re Was Not the First god of the Kemet it was Not because the first god of Kemet has or is in ORDER from the predynastic or BEFORE a DYNASTY. Remember There was a Upper and Lower Egypt that had a god One was Nekhbet Upper Egypt and Wadjet cobra goddess of Lower Egypt. And RA was NOT a Major deity until later.
To UNDERSTAND Egyptian History or GODS and GODDESS it Runs along side with a DYNASTY or a PRE DYNASTY.
The UNIONIFCATION of the Upper and Lower Egyptian. Was the beginning of UNIONIFCATION or a pairing with a god or a goddess. They the gods and goddess Stood along in there means and was not pair to Ra or until or around the 5th dynasty.
In order to believe that RA was first in Kemetism You must wipe out or erase the the Predynatic History Kemet.
The One line You took from the bible to say it is in connection with Amen Ra.Or to say or they and have the same belief structer or was Copy.
Yahweh in the bible DOES NOT want you praying to in Engrave Image. Yahweh does want his praing in other NAMES. YOU don’t have to bath yourself or purify in the Daily Ritual like that have in Kemetism.
There is no god for Nature or for the Sun for the frog the goat and field out there. Which Ra has or Egyptian belief structor was and is. Because, when you pray to Nature as a god you saying Nature cause plant life to be. Not the one who Create it in the first place.
So, I don’t know if all Kemetion believe in a RECARNATION beause that is NISUT is. The Nisut is the Authority between man and Aman Ra to keep it simple. Or sovereign (ruler). That is the same thing, which the POPE of ROMAN says that he is the Sovereign rule or the go between god and a man and Preacher that on the Neighbor Corner or Church that Priest is too.
So, Christendom and Kemetism have the similar belief structure. IDMR DOES NOT belief that A man is the go between of the Creator.
If AMEN RA is Spirit there would be no need for a physical purity your self in this day and Age.
Most of Kemetism practitioner believer just have draw a dead Language and dead written languages (hieroglyphs) and trying to belief in something that is dead and gone away just like POPE of Roman has done They read in a dead Languages which is Latin.
Who writes in Ancient Egyptian Or Latin not even the Egyptian who live there because some of my family live there for 5 years. Who can read in Hieroglyph not that many in Worlds or Latin? And another thing before the 1st Egyptologist came on the Seen most of the Egyptian people didn’t Even understand the Step pyramid or the Great pyramids.
And the step pyramid is not a TRUE pyramid and The Great Pyramid is True Pyramids. The step Pyramid and the Great 3 Pyramid which was design by Father Son and Grandson has different Composures or different ingredients. No mummies are found in the Great Pyramid, which were made 150 years after the Step Pyramids. So there’s that Change again in Egyptian History which all study cannot agree about. Just like they can’t come to agree why Only One Pharaoh Change the god system completely and was ERASE.
But it so EASE for the Egyptian Pharoah to Erase a God of there own when they Change a belief structure just as Akhenaton. They Erase a God, which is a pharaoh. (You forget all pharaoh were as gods also)
So if you love Amen-Ra that find because still that’s in the purpose of Yahweh because Yahweh said he CREATE a Worthy Adversary. To Show his (YAHWEH) Power.
Like I said, Before Yahweh said he Forum the LIGHT (Understanding, Life)and He Create DARKNESS (NO understanding, Death).
January 27, 2009 at 10:27 pm |
Wayne:
The site (provided 3 messages above) is not a satellite of IDMR, but an initiative of one person, with help of some others, who decided to present on the Internet the original, non-corrupted teachings of Dr. Kinley, as was taught by IDMR before the doctrinal split.
As far as Kemet and Ra are concerned, I don’t know much about it, but let’s say this is the truth. You state, “the parent religion is that which started in Kemet some 6000 years ago”. I have no problem with that. The problem is with the logical application.
Your and Kered’s argument is that if the religion is original, or parental, as Kemet, it is the truth. I see a big fault in this argument. Because the early civilizations, including Egypt, believed that the earth was flat (http://www.geocentricity.com/astronomy_of_bible/flatearth/doesbibleteach.html), should we believe it and reject contemporary evidence? If this and many other physical theories of early people are proven to be wrong, why their religious views are right? Your argument reminds me Roman Catholic Church: “Because our church is the oldest, all protestant religions are wrong”. The protestant religions are wrong (as well as RCC) not because they are younger, but because they don’t know the truth about the Creator and consequently don’t teach it.
As many human beings, I want to know about my Creator. How can I do that? Yes, I can study the history of men looking for God. There are many civilizations and many religions. How do I know which one is right? I don’t mind studying the religious books of Kered civilization, Bible, Koran etc. I would especially listen to those who claim having the direct vision from the Creator: how else would I know Him? I assume that if He wants me to know Him, there should be a way to know. The key is to have the evidence.
The Bible describes the visions of the Creator given to different people. There are no contradictions in the Bible if we see a big picture. There are historical prophecies which came to pass as the Creator said in the Bible. There is a pattern of the Tabernacle which correlates with atom, cell, human body, Bible stories. Dr. Kinley saw this Pattern (similar to Moses and John) and was able to present many details and evidence for the Creator given the scientific advances of XX century, proving that he did see the vision. What Dr. Kinley taught does not contradict the Bible, does not add to the Bible’s message, but confirms what is written in the Bible. To me, there is a proof that Our Creator is real and we can know His Purpose, because of these and many other witnesses.
Certainly, Our Creator was worshiped by Kered and all civilizations as they knew Him. But what are the witnesses they new the TRUTH about Him, and did not just speculate? If they knew the truth, their beliefs should correspond to the Bible (if we have established, based on the witnesses following personal investigation, that the Bible is true). If Kered or other civilization describes God according to His pattern, this is great: He must have revealed Himself to them as well. If not, their religions can be old, but as false as flat Earth.
January 27, 2009 at 11:14 pm |
Live2bLive and Edrina……..
Why do you take bits and pieces of what wayne and I are saying then twist it around?
What is being said to you is that before there was a HEBREW, A CHRISTIAN, A MUSLIM and any other religion……Religion was already here.
Why is that so hard for you to GRASP???……I have given you numerous LINKS to read about what I am saying. The truth is starting to come forth from various people with various backgrounds……..
We have various people back in the 16th-17th-18th century A.D…..who wrote books about what THEY have seen when they traveled to KEMET……..and I am amased that you say you never heard of it. That is proof that you and your religion is in a vacuum.
I used to take the book of the bible at face-value just like you……but once you get serious about your CREATOR and where did all this talk about a creator came from then you will see……
Now speaking of the BIBLE……Live2bLive you gave a website link……do you know what you gave????…….That website is about what the “BIBLE” teaches….your BIBLE, THE KJV AND THE HNB……Is it not a fact that the IDMR uses a BIBLE in CLASS?????……….That link just proved MY POINT about how CONTRADICTORY it is and the PHALLACY it provokes….In the BIBLE you have the OLD and the NEW Testament……The OLD testament is used by the Hebrews and the NEW testament is used by the Christians…..but YAHWEH is the GOD of that book and he is the god of the Hebrews……And you still are blinded by the CONTRADICTION there.
We do not use any modern day bible in our SPIRITUAL growth……Our Doctrine is not based upon the Hebrews or Israel……or any GOD of Israel because Israel did not EXIST when CIVILZATION started……The only civilized people at that time were those people of Kemet.
Our Doctrine is based upon the Virtues of Ma’at………
I know its hard to GRASP for the non-believer…..
Now give me a Link to Kemet were those people said that the earth is FLAT………
The only thing you have to hold on to is the BIBLE and what Dr. kinley taught you and he really did not teach you anything……..
January 27, 2009 at 11:48 pm |
Ok i do not usually like to blog about my religious belief but i must step in here and correct ms. edrina.
Edrina you said the pyramids are not real pyramids so please tell me what is a real pyramid?
Edrina you said the pyramids were built by father-son-grandson. its obvious you do not read any other book but the bible. The step pyramid was built by Imhotep. The average “jewish” person would tell you that. And if it was built by a family whats wrong with that? But we know that the hebrews had nothing to do with its construction.
Edrina you said something about how the egyptians changes its god relating to Ahkenaten.
If you knew anything about history you would know that Ahkenaten and moses was the same person. We have no evidence of a moses YET we have evidence of Ahkenaten whose mother Queen Tiye was a semite. But better yet that god that Ahkenaten prayed to “ATEN”, well he was actually praised by Ahkenatens grandfather Tuthmoses III. Tuthmoses III would pray to “Aten” whenever he would go into battle. And since “Aten” represents the Disk of the Sun these battles almost always took place during the day.
And hence the name “Tuth-Moses”. This is where we get the name “Moses” from.
Edrina my dear please do some reading and get beyond the bible. The bible will not get you to where you want to go SPIRITUALLY.
And after Ahkenaten was banished from Kemet what Creator was prasied again? “Amun-Ra”.
Remeber “Ra” describes the Spiritual which is in the “Amun” Physical.
January 28, 2009 at 12:05 am |
correction:
It was Tuthmoses IV and Ahkenatens’ father who first talked about God “Aten”.
And Edrina you try to make fun at all the diffrent gods they had back then.
How many GODs do we have here today and how many religions do we have using the same bible BUT with different doctrines? Its pathetic.
January 28, 2009 at 6:18 am |
You Amen-Ra people must have this site on Speed Dial. Because, it truly look like this is the same person that is responding to What a person blog about:
Example blog Which say ms Edrina that is what Kered us then you it must be a happen stands by another blog Lisa. The same Quotation marks are begin us in and the almost the same speech pattern of writing.
But anyway I spent almost 20 years of my own lifetime about Kemet or Egyptian History or Africa History. Before I ever step in the Door of IDMR. So, do think that I say any other the stuff about Egypt came from IDMR I already KNOW that.
So to answer another Question If you feel that I making fun of the MANY idols that Ancient Egyptian worships that between you. (That not the way I see it.) See you have a soul I have a soul that Soul need to be heal and That foolish of worship the thing and not the Creator should be done away with.
It just like when I was a young child I play with dolls and toys but, when I grew up a put away those thing and had children and brought dish and home and so on and so forth.
It the same with those figure that Kemetism has of the Ancient Gods and Goddess of Egypt for the HOME MADE ALTER (shrine or naos – a shrine cabinet.) So that you can put one you white clothe and make up your Natron which Sodium carbonate And sodium chloride (baking soda & salt). Then begin a pray that is from someone else. Not with in Your own HEART and MIND. (That only happens at the END.)
1.Edrina you said the pyramids are not real pyramids so please tell me what is a real pyramid? (LISA ask)
I said the STEP Pyramids are Not True Pyramids they have the shape or forum of a Pyramid but are not The GREAT Pyramids which came later about 150 years are TRUE Pyramid there are not off as the STEP Pyramids.
The prototype for the pyramid are the mastabas of the Old Kingdom (2680–2565 B.C.), which are rectangular in plan and have only two sloping sides. After these came the step-pyramid at Sakkara, built c.2620 B.C., which soon evolved into the straight-sided true pyramid.
Also, it goes back to what I said before I am not a CHRISTIAN. NEITHER is anyone in IDMR. WE, (IDMR) don t worship our CREATOR Physically.
That what I try to explain before the Word Jesus that you see in the bible just ERASE that from your mind ERASE because that person NEVER did exist to KEEP any simpler back then there was NO J (GA) sound back there when the Messiah walk the EARTH. So, if there wasn’t a J (GA) sound there could have been NO JESUS.
BUT there was a YAHSHUA the Messiah.
YOU Nor Animal Breathe JESUS you don’t breath RA or RE You Don’t breathe A MAN, BAAL, Buddha, ALLAH and so on.
If all these idol where the only and True god WE could breath there Name and PRASIE there NAME because that is the true worship of the Creator because the Creator is Spirit and HOW will Yahweh get his praise from the Least to the greatest is by the Praise of HIS NAME
YAH is a inhale or the feel up of the lungs. Weh is the exhale is the exit of the lungs. Now Close your mouth and breath and don’t say a word and hear that 2 count of a beat.
Try breath LORD GOD JESUS CHRIST, Try and BREATHE AMENRA Which is a 3 count of the breath.
See the problem with US all before Yahweh had is Mercy on the One to come a TRUE understand of the Creator was that we had to see something physical we had touch in order to worship it. We just could believe in Something that we couldn’t see. As my son say now I cant believe in anything that I cant see.
But look NOBODY on this EARTH can comprehend H2O in it PURE and Natural STATE of Exist, which is GAS.Or SEE GAS state. It has to break itself down into a LIQUID form to be understood. Then it still has to be put into some kind of container to be contained. But, still that same H2O breaks itself down again into is Lowest Solid form. That WE can examine it can be touch it keeps it shape. In order for that H2O to break itself down Soild must be below 32 degree if goes to 33 degree its goes right back to a Liquid state.
Now that is what we at IDMR call the UNIITY of the Spirit.
Because that H2O is still H2O an all-3 state of exits. ONE WATER Not Many WATERS with the (S).
Yahweh is breaks himself down or takes on a shape and form as Yahweh Elohim because Yahweh is Spirit. Then he comes into OWN CREATION as Yahshua at the age of 33 died on the Cross.
Yahweh did not come into this world, as many gods. So, that is Where I differentiating with you saying that Yahweh is a copy for Amen-RA belief.
If you want to Know the REAL and Only One Creator LOOK at that TREE out side your Window or Door. And SEE with Your OWN to EYEs which see as One. That TREE STAND there Praise the CREATOR with a Y and those branches go forth in a Y.
I guess RA made the Tree to Praise another god too.
Because that is Amen-RA M.O. or Pattern of Operation.
Why is ONLY 3 Kingdom on Earth The Plant, Animal and Human? Why is that we move by land, Water and Air? Why does A Man only have Head, Chest and Abdominal Area? Why do Everybody Speak Past, Present and Future?
I not going to go though the Moses statement again because Moses Name means to be DRAW Out so why Name TuthMosis (1524-1518 BC) means born of god Thoth. Thoth was the god who overcame the curse of Ra. Now its that something about Egyptian History How can you over come the God that is suppose to be the god of the Universe. That should say something about Amen-RA. Because there is not One going to be a god get over in the History of Yahweh Sorry?
So if Amen-RA believer belief that TuthMosis is Moses that should be a thought to think about.
I am not On this blog to agree with everybody I here to say Father Time the writer or to You or to anyone else that Say that’s What Yahweh said it not True.
That Yahweh is the Only and TRUE Elohim and the Yahshua the Messiah And can be proven.
January 28, 2009 at 2:40 pm |
Edrina you admit to the step pyramids being built around 2500b.c.e…….Who are you to say the step pyramid is not a pyramid???
Thats the ARROGANCE that satan has. It has three sides, its design is just diffferent by using steps. But you can climb on any pyramid.
Edrina have you ever been to Kemet????……..and you said you have studied the culture of Kemet. Our study group have been there. If you want I can send you pictures in Email of us “Climbing ” the Great Pyramids of Giza.
Then you should know that in 2500b.c.e……..There was no hebrews on this EARTH. The bible you read said the hebrews built them.
ALL THE PYRAMIDS IN KEMET WAS ALREADY BUILT “BEFORE” ABRAHAM CAME ON THE SCENE…………i gave you evidence of that.
All the IDMR have as evidence of their Doctrine is the BIBLE……and that bible did not exist in the beginning because there were NO HEBREWS around…….
Its been a pleasure debating….we shall move from this blog.
PEACE in the name of The all and all………..”Ra”
January 28, 2009 at 7:32 pm |
Kered: “According to the HNB/KJV……..The slaves “BUILT” the “Pyramids” of Egypt…..and they must have built the ones in “Sudan”…….”
“but your common sense should tell you that something is wrong….ESPECIALLY WHEN WE HAVE PROOF THAT THE PYRAMIDS WERE HERE BEFORE THE HEBREW…..SO HOW COULD THEY HAVE BUILT THEM????”
Wayne: “The first “Phallacy” is the hebrews built the Pyramids when in fact the Pyramids were built by the people of Kemet themselves.”
The “Pyramid” issue is not valid for criticizing IDMR and the Bible as being non-historical. There is no mentioning of “pyramids” in the Bible, let alone Hebrew slaves building them. Kemet proponents, please get the facts strait.
January 28, 2009 at 8:48 pm |
Live2blive
are you saying the story of the hebrews building the pyramids and working in the stone quarries of Egypt are false because its not mentioned in the bible?
Lets give Live2blive the benefit of the doubt. The bible also fails to mention when Moses was born and buried. It also fails to mention the name of the Pharoah during the exodus. The bible also fail to mention the date Adam/Eve was made. It fails miserably in all facts because it gives no facts.
Live2blive if you want to use what the bible does not mention to prove facts then you are ackhowledging the existence of Yahweh as FALSE.
We know more about your religion than you do and we do not believe in a Yahweh as the creator. The bible does not give any accurate data. The IDMR nor Dr. Kinley is telling FACTS. Everything you have is a plagarization from what was here before any modern day religion came into existence and that is a fact that can be backed up with evidence.
You keep justyfing our stance. But you are right Kered its time to move from this blog.
January 28, 2009 at 9:49 pm |
Kered ask:
1.Edrina you admit to the step pyramids being built around 2500b.c.e…….Who are you to say the step pyramid is not a pyramid???
Edrina Answer:
Who I am I a Son of the True GOSPEL. That has done some research just not about What Yahweh has said but about a things what A man has said to. Now Archeolgoist State what is a TRUE Pyrmind and what is a Step Pyrminds. Now Step Pyrminds can be seen in South American over in Asia and other place. But the TRUE Pyrmind can only be seen in Only place which are Only 3. They came 150 years after the Steps and 3 Pyrminds are not made with the same substance as the step. No mummies have been found in them like the Step Pyrminds.
IDMR is not a fly by Organization its been around for along while. Now in October of 1971 Dr.Kinley and some IDMR member went on a peace mission London, England; Cairo, Egypt; Amma, Jordom; Athen , Greece; Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, Israel; and Rome, Italy (the Vatican).
That why I keep repeating that this is not a Cult. When a New President come into Office the Los Angles branch sends Him the Elohim the Archetype (Original) Pattern of the Universe. Common Knowledge would say if you’re a CULT there information is would be hidden it not Open to the Public. Like Our lecture are. You can come and go as you please. Also, this book is on a web site which you can read which has been already posted.
The ARROGANCE come in when you have blind faith in something that is NOT True. With True Evidence (Not A Man Version) of some Hard Core Evidence that can’t be change from one Century to the Next.
Yahweh Elohim and Yahshua says he is 3-fold. One Spirit and 2 manifestation of that One Spirit. And Everything in Unviersal is made after that 3-fold. Or Elohim the Archetype (Original) Pattern of the Universe. Yahweh says this, this must be true.
They Why I Keep go back to the TREE because A Tree can Not be bulit by A Man.
So if Yahweh is 3-fold that Tree will be the same way. So lets Examine True Evidence that out side everyones door or window.
Tree are made up of 3 main Components: The Roots, the Leaves and Woody.
The Roots which are in the earth bring the water and minerals to the rest of the tree. The larger roots at the trunk anchor the tree to the ground and stabilize it, while the small root-hairs at the ends of the rootlets absorb the water from the ground. The roots strength though out the ground making those Y’s. The foundations are the Roots of a Tree. Yahshua by that Pattern is the Foundation. The sons can Only go though Yahshua to be with the Father Yahweh. Or Yahshua just absorb us with the Holy Spirit Once it in You. Yahshua is the Water that will cause you to never thirst Spiritually.
Tree leaves absorb pollution like carbon dioxide from the air and use sunlight to BREAK IT DOWN, make a GAS, which combines with moisture from the tree roots and makes nutrients, which are used by the tree. Again these words are from a Structure of a Tree. Now like I said Yahweh has to BREAK himself Down from that Spirit or GAS State so that he can be understand. Which Elohim is it that Moisture (liquid) that you can see.
The woody structure, including the trunk, branches and twigs (3) hold the trees leaves in position to receive the life-giving sunlight and carbon dioxide; they also act as a means of carrying the raw materials and nutrients back and forth between the roots and the leaves. See even the woody structure is 3-fold. See how there is a go back and forth or a go between actions. Now the only go between on this earth, which is the Holy Spirit Which, is Yahshua the Messiah He is the Only mediator between man and Yahweh. He is the True High priest.
The trunk of a tree is made up of the bark, the wood and the pith. (3) Now that is 3-fold.
The PITH is the middle section surrounded by the wood. Between the WOOD and exterior BARK is a thin layer that creates new wood on the inside and bark on the outside.
Like I said before Elohim is the Archetype (original) Pattern of the Universal and The Physical Tabernacle, which was pitch in the Wilderness of Sinai, is Explanation or How to explain Yahweh makeup.
The Physical Tabernacle had a Most Holy Place a Holy Place and a Court that when Around about (Outer Court). It was 3-fold but One Tabernacle. So everything in the Universal Seen and Unseen will testify to Yahweh our Elohim and Yahshua. Because he is the only and True Yahweh and there is not no other god beside him.
January 29, 2009 at 6:52 pm |
Edrina kered has given you evidence upon evidence proving the impossibility of Yahweh as the creator. You have the right to believe what you want. But the proof is in plain sight and you and the members of the IDMR have yet to recognize.
Just remember edrina:
The first Civilized culture on record and it can be verified started in the Nile Delta of Kemet around 5000b.c.e
Imhotep was born around 2600-2500b.c.e and built the first pyramid at Saqqara called the “step pyramid”. The people of Kemet built the remainder.
There were no hebrews prior to 1700b.c.e thats when abraham came
The name “Israel” did not exist until the 11th century b.c.e which is documented on the “Israel Stella”
There is no proof of a man named moses recorded in any papyrus/document/monument of Kemet
Ahkenaten/Moses was driven out of Kemet for his changing of the state religion in Kemet. Ahkenaten ruled in the 13th century b.c.e and yes they had people called “Semite/Hyksos and those who had Leprosy that followed him.
Even though Ahkenaten was banished you can still find evidence of his existence—-we cant find not one shred of evidence of a Moses.
We have yet to find evidence of adam-eve. the IDMR say adam was Yahweh? then who was eve, satan? Dr. Kinley has brain washed you people. It does not say in any version of the bible that adam was god.
But the fact remains: Adam-Eve is a made up story by the Hebrews.
I had a good time debating with you all but like kered said we must move on from this blog.
Peace in the all and all name of “Ra”.
January 29, 2009 at 11:45 pm |
Lisa says:
1.We have yet to find evidence of adam-eve. the IDMR say adam was Yahweh? then who was eve, satan? Dr. Kinley has brain washed you people. It does not say in any version of the bible that adam was god.
When you have a Version and Not a VISION you would never Know that The Messiah said that He and the father is One I in He, He in Me. The Jews sought to kill him because he made himself ONE with the father.
1 Corinthians 15:
45 Thus it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 46 But it is not the spiritual, which is first but the physical, and then the spiritual. 47 The first man was from the earth, a man of dust; the second man is from heaven. 48 As was the man of dust, so are those who are of the dust; and as is the man of heaven, so are those who are of heaven.
So, what is he or who is he talking about here. IN the beginning of the 1 Cor 15:1 You will find that he is talking about the gospel and the gospel is: How the Messiah died and was brined and his Resurrected.
If you keep reading in 1 Cor 15: Paul is talking about Yahshua the Messiah and that He is the 2nd man Adam that is from heaven.
To the second statement Who was EVE. Eve was taken right out of Adam. I guess that most people don’t Understand that A WOMAN is Just a Man with a Womb.
2.3rd question LISA SAYS It does not say in any version of the bible that adam was god.
Your Wrong again John 1 In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with Yahweh and the Word was Yahweh.
Like I said without a Vision You wouldn’t understand anything right here. But with a Vision Yahweh will say that book that is not the Word. Which Christian and other Religions would believe that that book just is the Word.
That Word it came unto Jeremiah, Isaiah and Moses was NO book. That Word is Elohim because Elohim is the Word or Son.
If you keep read it will say that Everything was made by Him;
Another important thing to Understand when you are trying to read the bible when you see Capital letter on a words like He Word Him in a sentence That person is refer to Yahweh or Elohim or Yahshua.
Then you drop down to the 14 verse of John you will see that same Word was made flesh, and dwelt among, us (and we beheld His glory, the glory of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and Truth.
I really don’t think that Amen-Ra or the people who worship Kemetism can add and subtract There a very large GAB between the Kemet and the Union of Upper and Lower Egypt and the First Step Pyramids be built. It Almost 2500 years. If you use what they keep saying 5000 b.c. to 2600-2500 b.c.
Lower Egypt was known as Ta-Mehu which means “land of papyrus.” It was divided into twenty districts called nomes, the first of which was at el-Lisht.
Upper Egypt was known as Ta Shemau which means “the land of reeds.” It was divided into twenty-two districts called nomes.
A nome (from Greek: Νομός, “district”) was a subnational administrative division of ancient Egypt
King Narmer was the first to unite Upper and Lower Egypt
giving birth to Egypt in 3100 B.C. & laying the foundation for the first Pharaonic Dynasty, which is the beginning of the first Egyptian Dynasty 0.
During that long GAB of the Upper and Lower Egypt there were different ways of Worship they did not worship the same gods or goddess. Or the gods and goddess change because the different Rulers or changes which were gods also.
Now, I says that you Have One body One earth One Sun One Moon One SOUL. You don’t have CREATOR(S) with a S you and a CREATOR without the S or Singular. With the S add to CREATOR means many or many gods or many ways to worship.
If you are made in the likeness and the Image of the Creator which means One you will have one body one Soul one mind One heart.
If you want to believe that You worship a Creators that has many gods and goddess that work together in collective way of thinking and that you have to worship with some physical way of worship.
You are just wrong… There is No and Buts about the thing.
Because you have the Human body which was before anything that is made without A MAN hands that is True Evidence you can make it up you can erase the information about the body because it always is here. Is an example or way to come to in understanding of the Creator.
As child when a person asks me what’s your parents NAME I only knew Mommy and Daddy. By the time I went to school the teacher ask you what’s your parents name that thought changed and I gave them a Name. Or say my mother Name is Kim and my dads name is John and give them a last name.
Or other words you only have One mother natural so and One father natural so.
And both have a Name they don’t have many names. I not talk about those nick name and surnames that people make up. I’m talk about that legal name.
So, That the way the Creator is He has one name Yahweh Elohim Yahshua. You worship Yahweh only One-Way which by Spirit or though knowledge. Yahweh is the mother and father of us all.
January 30, 2009 at 5:07 pm |
Here is a website I am sure all of you in the IDMR should find enlightening.
January 30, 2009 at 6:36 pm |
Edrina: I liked your correlation with the tree. I also appreciate you specifying that it was the SECOND Adam who was “god” or Yahshua (1 Cor 15:45-47.
January 30, 2009 at 10:23 pm |
Wow!
So when you get up in class and point to the chart with adam in the garden and call him Yahweh you are confused.
there are three adams:
GEN 1:26
GEN 2:7
and the Messiah.
GEEEEZ, this gets better and better every day.
On the one hand the people of IDMR say they do not believe in the Bible then on the other hand when its to there liking they Believe in it.
its either one or the other.
January 31, 2009 at 12:17 am |
Wayne,
Please find a single quote from Dr. Kinley, founder of IDMR, stating that people should not believe in the Bible (with exception of a few mistranslations in English Bible).
If you do, I will leave IDMR.
January 31, 2009 at 1:11 am |
The problem is that you don’t know the bible. Most people believe that Genesis is the 1st book in bible. But they are Completely Wrong. If you have read this whole blog I keep making a state that Moses wrote the 1st 5 book of the bible. And that Genesis was take out of Exodus.
I can prove that Because that was shown to Us in IDMR by Dr. Kinley.
Everyone who can read and write had to take a English Course sometime during school.
We must understand that colon mark: means, to explain what was before the colon mark.
Example Grocery List: eggs, milk, cheese. Those item explain what’s on the Grocery list.
Let look at Exodus 24:15-16 And Moses went up into the mount, and the cloud covered the mount. And the glory of Yahweh abode up mount Sinai and the cloud covered it six days: and the seventh day he called unto Moses out of the midst of the cloud.
Now were you see that colon: mark there, there is not explain there in Exodus about those 6 days because Scholar took the book of Genesis out right at that every spot.
It would have read like this 16 verse of 24 Exodus And the glory of Yahweh abode up mount Sinai and the cloud covered it six days In the beginning Elohim created the heavens and the earth.
That is the way it should have read. Thats why it takes a VISION not A Man Version to have anything right about that bible.
Wayne Says: there are three adams: GEN 1:26 GEN 2:7 and the Messiah.
Wrong again there was One physical Man Adam. Without a Vision You wouldn’t see that either. But let me see if Yahweh will help you come to some understand about that also.
Let me say this simple: Moses is having a Vision on Mt Sinai if you be read the blog I said the Moses came down from the Mt when the Son of Nun whom is Yahshua. “ I hear a Noise in the Camp”
So right then and there the Vision stops and they Moses and Yahshua (Joshua) come down. (It more to that) but I want to keep it simple.
Gen 1:26 Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every creep thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Then Moses goes back up the Mt and it continues or it just pick up from were he left off at.
Gen: 2:7 And Yahweh Elohim formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed in his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
If you look at both sentence you can see or Ask the Question Gen 1:26 Let us,. Now who is the Us. In Gen 2:7 And Yahweh Elohim. So Moses Understand that Us is Yahweh Elohim.
Now, if you want You can go the http://www.ayahasherayah.org/images/elohim.pdf and read in Dr. Kinley words.
See we all had a problem when it came to Yahweh or whom the world calls Lord God and Jesus Christ.
We (Everybody) had God above the Moon and Stars up there in Heaven and after the Jews or the assembly kill the Messiah, that god just left us to our own devises.
We don’t understand that Yahweh (Lord) is Spirit and what we see physical (seen) and unseen is Spirit materialize.
We can’t comprehend that Yahweh who made the Man the dog the cat the earth and every thing else is in it. So Yahweh (Lord) is in you and in me. That why there is no need to worship a thing a item figure or Symbol. Because the Creator is in YOU…
Wayne Says: On the one hand the people of IDMR say they do not believe in the Bible then on the other hand when its to there liking they Believe in it.
Edrina Answer:
I guess you really don’t know those Chart are the BIBLE in pictorial Form. So you have just made up something or just don’t have common sense. Every I mean Every Class that is of IDMR must say the Moderation which they POINT to the CHARTS. You must Have Scripture read. And that comes from the BIBLE. So I don’t know what your tryin to say.
February 1, 2009 at 9:01 am |
Seven years ago, I was introduced to an organization called The Assembly of Divine Reality, Inc. which used to meet at 4110 Old Dixie Hwy. in Hapeville, GA. There are four branches of this school. It’s headquarters are in Birmingham, AL and the satellite branches are here in Atlanta, GA (presently meeting at the Clayton County Water Authority), in Tuscaloosa, AL and in Anniston, AL. We stopped meeting at 4110 Old Dixie Hwy because that building was burned down to the ground in December 2002. So I was introduced to this organization seven years ago and was immediately intrigued by their doctrine. They encouraged people to “do your own research” and “check these things out”. They often said, “Don’t take our word for it. You check these things out for yourself to see if we are telling you the truth.” The opening speaker at every class (referred to as the moderator) always says, “do a MINOR investigation”. Well, I’ve been checking things out that are said in that class, but I didn’t stop at a “minor” investigation. I’ve decided to do a FULL investigation and so far, I’ve come across a whole bunch of things that will make you say…Hmmm!
I liked the fact that they SAY “do your own research”, but I wondered why they ALSO SAY “your search is over”. Oh really? Says who? If I’m doing my own research, shouldn’t I be the one to determine when my search is over? The ministers in this organization encourage people to question the many doctrines which are taught in Christianity, but they discourage us from questioning their doctrine. How many times have I heard ministers stand up in front of the class and say that we shouldn’t inquire about their parent organization, IDMR(which is The Institute of Divine Metaphysical Research)? How many times have we been told to keep the past in the past, don’t air out their dirty laundry, endeavor to “show the mystery, not the misery” of the organization? Is it because they are afraid that such inquiries will help people see that they are really just another form of the Worldwide Church of God which was run by Herbert W. Armstrong? Which Dr.Kinley was a member of in Springfield Ohio, kicked out of this church cause of an affair he had with another member embarrssed and hurt by the way they treated him after his sin was found out… more detail in this “AFFAIR” later…So he started his own religion… a few names and titles were changed to protect the guilty and a few elements of the doctrine was snipped and tucked here and there, but if you really examine these three organizations (The Worlwide Church of God, The Institute of Divine Metaphysical Research, and The Assembly of Divine Reality), you’ll come to realize that “these three are one”.
In order to see the unity of these superficially separate organizations, you have to take some time to first learn how to DISCERN CULT BEHAVIOR.
February 1, 2009 at 10:05 am |
Who Is Jesus to them?
Then Yahweh moved into a super incorporeal shape and form of a man known as Yahweh Elohim It was in this shape and form that he created the creation, both heaven and earth. He then manifested himself in a specially prepared body known as ADAM and YAHSHUA the MESSIA.” (PASADENA INSTITUTE OF DIVINE METAPHYSICAL RESEARCH )
Now Adam was God, and he sinned. Not since the Mormons came up with new revelation do we find such a distortion under a so-called Christian banner. They hold to Yahshua always being manifested in a physical body, or incarnate in a body, all through the dispensations of time. This is nonsense, and anti biblical and even anti-Christ (excuse me, mashiach to be correct in language). Since the bible says clearly he incarnated once, and only once.
Heb 9:28 “To those who eagerly wait for Him, He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.” Notice will appear a second time, meaning that he incarnated only once.
Adam = Yahshua based on their own discovered pattern. which is absurd. Did sin come through God who would punish himself for doing so. Does not James say that God cannot be tempted by evil. (1:13)
They also believe from making name assimilation’s, that that Yashua the son of Nun is Jesus of the NT. son of Nun or called none by them. All this is arrived at because of the name correlation. Joshua supposedly just “appeared” (since there isn’t much lineage info about Joshua in the bible,). But to be called the son of Nun means he came from that family. His father was An Ephraimite Num.13:8,16 but there is no account given of his life. But this is not that unusual, since there are others no account is given of their lives either.
why stop there with name assimilation? There was another Joshua as well but as a priest he needed to trade in his filthy garments, as we all do. Zech. 3 read this in light of names and see if this makes any sense. But the son of nun was not perfect he made mistakes. All this doesn’t surprise me when people do not believe in the inerrancy of Scripture in the NT.
In IDMR theology have Yashua as Adam, and then Joshua the nun, which means he incarnated twice and once without the virgin which was already prophesied in Gen.3:15 so you have a different Yashua, not because of name, but because of their false teaching. Because the Jesus of the Bible only incarnated once, and he certainly did not come through sinful parents. The bible says he was manifested (made known, appeared) in the flesh 1 Tim.3:16. He incarnated only once via the virgin birth. Christ came once and died once. Joshua was certainly a man of faith but he was not perfect. He was the son of Nun, he did not have a virgin birth which would be the ONLY means the Messiah would be born (Isa.7:14).
Joshua made a treaty with the Gibeonites (Josh.9:3-27.) He was deceived. Can God be deceived? By a strategy from the enemy Joshua and the leaders of Israel were thrown off their guard. Representing themselves as weary travelers from a great distance, the Gibeonites succeeded in making a covenant with Israel. Joshua was deceived and entered too eagerly into covenant with them.
Joshua’s famous statement 24:15″ But as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.” Makes no sense if he is the Lord, he does not ask anyone to serve him, he actually serves Moses. When Moses ascended Sinai to receive the two tables for the first time Exod. 24:13, Joshua, who is called his servant, accompanied him part of the way and was the first to meet him on his return 32:17.If he is the Lord than who is Moses going up to meet up on the Mt., and why did Yahweh tell Moses to not let Joshua come up. When it was told to Moses that Eldad and Medad prophesied in the camp, Joshua asked Moses to forbid them, to which Moses replied, “Are you jealous for my sake? Would that all the Lord’s people were prophets, that the Lord would put His Spirit upon them!” Num. 11:27-29. So now we have Joshua arguing against God who is leading Moses of which he is suppose to be. Make sense yet?
Num. 27:18 And the LORD said to Moses: “Take Joshua the son of Nun with you, a man in whom is the Spirit, Ex.28:3 others were filled with the spirit as well 35:31.
Num. 11:25: Then the LORD came down in the cloud, and spoke to him (Moses), and took of the Spirit that was upon him, and placed the same upon the seventy elders; and it happened, when the Spirit rested upon them, that they prophesied, although they never did so again.
Num. 32:12: “except Caleb the son of Jephunneh, the Kenizzite, and Joshua the son of Nun, for they have wholly followed the LORD.” Joshua is made equal with Caleb, both who followed Yahweh. He did not have any preeminence.
Ex.23:20-22: God sends an Angel before thee, to keep Israel in the way, he states ” Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.” We find this is the angel of the Lord a messenger who is God himself see Exod.3. Yet IDMR claims he is also Joshua son of nun. So now we have two persons God is manifested in.
Joshua son of Nun being the messiah! This is so nutty that its amazing that it would have to be addressed. He was not born through a virgin any more than you were. He was born to sinful parents and he died. Only sinners die! Only one was born with the virgin birth. At that time it was still future, Isaiah was not even written yet. There is no physical incarnation until Isa.7:14 was fulfilled which came by means of Micah 5:2 being fulfilled in Mt.2. The bible clearly states happened only once and in the NT times. That which was prophesied is fulfilled in the NT 2,000 almost years ago. To say otherwise makes God a liar. There is only one incarnation.
Joshua the son of Nun (none) died at 110 years old, proving he was not the messiah They interpret his death as “taking off of the flesh”. (the messiah said he has the power to lay down his life and take it again). But this is not a resurrection when he comes back as the conceived child Jesus. It is instead reincarnation!
When Joshua led the Israelites through the Jordan and left the stones in the middle and also on the river bank? (Joshua 4:1-24) in the NT when Satan was tempting Jesus to “turn these stones into bread” he was coming from the banks of the Jordan. They claim these are the same stones that Joshua/ Jesus left earlier in his previous lifetime.
But it does not end with Joshua or Jesus but with Dr. Kinley being the new Joshua, that’s right he incarnated again and then died.” As Yahweh, the Creator, was manifest in the flesh as Yahshua the Messiah…He (Yahweh) is manifest in one, Dr. Henry C. Kinley, Founder of the Institute of Divine Metaphysical Research, Inc. So now Yahweh (current one) founded a metaphysical Institute. Need I say more!
February 1, 2009 at 10:51 am |
Jerry,
I have never heard of the Institute of Divine Metaphysical Research or of Henry Clifford Kinley. A quick Google search will turn up quite a bit, though.
“Yahshua” is a transliteration of the name “Jesus” as given in Hebrew or Aramaic–and is not the only possible transliteration either. “Jesus” is Greek and has passed into most of the European languages in this form.
Yhwh (I do not type out the full Name of God, just as I do not pronounce it–it’s an idiosyncracy of mine) is the Name of God as given by God to Moses on Mount Sinai. The traditional Jews consider it too holy to pronounce. “Elohim” is simply another Hebrew word for “God.”
The reason anybody says that “Jesus,” “God,” and “Lord” are false and vain names and titles is that he is being a snob. “Jesus” is a perfectly acceptable name for our Lord and Savior Who died on the cross two thousand years ago. “God” and “Lord” are titles for God, not names, but are certainly neither false nor vain.
From my cursory look through the Google results, this appears to be Yet Another Example of one guy claiming “The whole world’s wrong except me.”
- Liberian
February 1, 2009 at 12:56 pm |
Dear Shhh! Your first reply was copied and pasted from another website but yet you didn’t properly give credit to the writer or the link.
http://www.geocities.com/anangel_247/AODR_Cult.html
February 1, 2009 at 5:56 pm |
Thanks, Lisa!
February 1, 2009 at 7:19 pm |
shhh! dont tell secrets Says: “He then manifested himself in a specially prepared body known as ADAM and YAHSHUA the MESSIA.” (PASADENA INSTITUTE OF DIVINE METAPHYSICAL RESEARCH ) Now Adam was God, and he sinned.”
Dr. Kinley’s teaching, unfortunately, has been altered in some, but not all, current IDMR classes. Have you read Dr. Kinley or heard the recordings of his lectures?
Dr. Kinley always taught that Adam was a man who sinned, different from God. Here are two of many quotes :
“It was this man Adam that caused death. Yahshua the Messiah is the second Adam, I said the second Adam, rather than the first.”
(Dr Kinley 1966: JUDGMENT AND RESURRECTION NOW).
“…He can’t build no church on Peter … Adam fell! And from Adam on down, “Death reigned from Adam to Moses after the similitude of Adam’s Transgression, even over them that had not sinned.” Now pay attention to what I’m saying. Now look Freddy! If that man was a sinner, and Peter was a sinner, and everybody was a sinner, now for Him to come along and build a church on a sinner, it don’t make no sense and you know it don’t. Just might as well build it on just anybody, well why, why don’t you just build it on Adam? … can’t build no church on Peter, you can’t build it on Michael or Gabriel or the Angels”
(Dr. Kinley 1974/1975: CARNAL ORDINANCES)
February 2, 2009 at 11:29 am |
i think that adam willfully died for his bride. big difference to do something willfully versus ignorantly. i am referring to the sin, or that he sinned….willfully.
February 2, 2009 at 2:53 pm |
Edrina you are out of your mind. If Genesis is not the first book of the bible then what is? The creation starts in Genesis so that should make it the first.
But when your mind has been corrupted you tend to make up your own perception of things. The bible starts with Genesis. So if you EDRINA believe that Genesis is not the first book then you are saying the bible is a LIE.
Edrina you and the IDMR have contradicted yourself and the doctrine you preach.
You will pick out certain things in the bible to your liking, then say the bible is telling a lie.
And dont say you did not call the bible a lie—-You called it a lie when you said Genesis is not the first book.
You must be an IDIOT to say something like that. In what other book of the bible does the creation story appear?
February 2, 2009 at 3:57 pm |
Quote from Edrina:
“The problem is that you don’t know the bible. Most people believe that Genesis is the 1st book in bible. But they are Completely Wrong. If you have read this whole blog I keep making a state that Moses wrote the 1st 5 book of the bible. And that Genesis was take out of Exodus”.
Please Edrina you are making yourself out to be a total IDIOT.
This is what you are saying Edrina.
Moses had his “so-called vision” in Exodus which is true. Now then, Yahweh showed him all that will take place pertaining to all the 5 books. Right? Thats how he came to write those 5 books, correct?
So what you are saying Edrina that Exodus should be the First and ONLY book since the vision happened in Exodus? So what is the purpose of writing 5 books why not just the Exodus and call it a day?
Edrina of course Genesis was taken from the exodus cause thats were he had his vision. If you are going to write a story you must have a starting point ESPECAILLY when one is talkinig about the CREATION of the UNIVERSE.
You people in the IDMR try TOOOOOO hard to Disect the Bible. Its not that difficult.
In reality Moses wrote 7 books. 2 books were taken out. I can give you a link to this to prove it.
February 2, 2009 at 8:15 pm |
Wayne
There is a higher understanding of that book that you keep referring to. Science and nature support the operation of an exodus before a genesis as is seed bearing seed after its own kind. Sperm must exodus the male species for the beginning of the next generation… 99.9% of the time. Your thoughts must leave or exodus you for me to begin to understand you. 1 corinth 15:46 introduces this law of nature as it does take the natural (natures observed expression) to understand the spiritual.
The natural life of moses is explained in exodus, then we see the beginning as it was written by moses. This formula explains the death of the first born, first adam and second adam, why cain killed able, why king saul represented what he did, why solomons first son died or why the elder will serve the younger for that matter. Why moses could only go so far and son of nun carried on, why john the baptist had to decrease for messiah to increase, why Yahweh said evening and morning were the first day; second day etc., and why you wayne must exodus the world of form (book knowledge) to experience….no form.
February 2, 2009 at 8:34 pm |
Thorpe and Edrina:
Meriam Webster Definition of Exodus/Genesis……….
noun
Etymology: Latin, from Greek Exodos, literally, road out, from
Date: before 12th century
1capitalized : the mainly narrative second book of canonical Jewish and Christian Scripture — see bible table
2: a mass departure : emigration
noun
Inflected Form(s): plural gen·e·ses \-ˌsēz\
Etymology: Latin, from Greek, from gignesthai to be born — more at kin
Date: circa 1604
: the origin or coming into being of something
In order to Exit from, you must First come into being…….
Can a baby exit from the mothers womb without being conceived first?
You IDMR people are TOTALLY NUTS……………
February 2, 2009 at 9:10 pm |
I thought that i addressed that there must be an exodus from the male before conception or a beginning of the baby. Even according to the big bang theory, there must be an exodus from the point of singularity before the beginning of the multiple. i am sure that you agree with these facts, you just dont believe that their signature have anything to do with your understanding of the bible, nature, your body and thoughts. Yet they do.
February 2, 2009 at 9:38 pm |
1.Wayne Says: Edrina you are out of your mind. If Genesis is not the first book of the bible then what is? The creation starts in Genesis so that should make it the first. February 2, 2009 at 2:53 pm
1.Edrina of course Genesis was taken from the exodus cause thats were he had his vision. If you are going to write a story you must have a starting point ESPECAILLY when one is talkinig about the CREATION of the UNIVERSE. February 2, 2009 at 3:57 pm
1.Please Edrina you are making yourself out to be a total IDIOT.
Edrina Question:
How can Wayne agree on One hand that Gensis was takin out of Exodus than on the other Hand I must be an IDIOT or out of my mind because I said so.
Like I told Kered when we don’t have a answer or cannot Except the Truth and want the Truth to look as if it was a LIE. Or even to Justify it, what does a person do revert back to there childish ways of Name calling and what not.
But, it doesn’t matter because Yahweh says it like this, Your thought are not my thought nor your ways my ways.
Just because Wayne thought and Scholars thought that Gensis should be first doesn’t make it Right.
Edrina Answer: I didn’t say the bible was a lie I said that Scholar place Gensis before Exodus. Man is in Error. When man error doesn’t mean Lie. Error means mistake. Lie means in untruth.
I want to keep this simple so that You can understand, Because Like I said Moses Wrote the First 5 books (Exodus, Gensis, Leviticus, Number and Deuteronomy.)of the Bibile.
Let start with what the bible itself. If you have a good bible Like I have the Name of the bible which I use New Analyical Bible Indexed Edition and Dictionary and Concordance by Dickson. King James VERSION. Rending (1901)
In or around about the first page it will state Who was King James and how King James got permission to Write this Version of the bible. Or will give you a history of the bible which ones came first until he wrote the King James Version.
Version means :transaltion. Translation of the Bible or a part of it: The American College Dictionary.
So, Let start again with Moses it State in the bible Concoradance That the first 5 books is Called The TORAH or the Law (Pentateuch). And the LAW or TORAH was Written while Moses was out there in the Wilderness of Sinai. That is a Fact google or yahoo What the Law is Called.
Now Genesis pre-dates Mosaic Times. Which means before Moses. Now question you should ask yourself How can Moses write or SEE something before he was ever born? Second question Moses himself says he was 80 years old when Yahweh introduce himself on the backside of the Mt in the Wilderness of Sinai.
Moses was in the Wilderness went back to Egypt led the Isrealities out Eypgt. Moses had to Exodus or Exit Egypt before Yahweh told Him to come up on that Mt in the wilderness of Sinai. Look up the Word Exodus what it means.
The only thing Yahweh give Moses before he went back to Egypt to take the children of Isreal OUT was a ROD and the Name of Yahweh.
See when Man try to change the Purpose of Yahweh you can get the Understanding of Yahweh you make you Creator a short Arm god or make him less.
There a Purpose why Yahweh had Exodus first. Just like Human life comes into this physical world. That baby or child must EXIT the mother womb before it has a generation. Exodus means to come forth or to Exit or a going OUT.
Moses did not Write anything Until the chrildren of Isreal was in the Wilderness of Sinai.
Yahweh says, to Moses ” Exodus 17:14 – “Write this as a memorial in a book and recite it in the ears of Joshua (Yahshua), that I will utterly blot out the remembrance of Am’alek from under heaven.”
And again Yahweh says to Moses, Exodus 34:27 – “Write these words; in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel.”
So let go back to your Wayne statement, “ the Creation start with Genesis so that makes if First.”
Yahweh says it like this, Revelation 22
(18)I warn every one who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if any one adds to them, Yahweh will add to him the plagues described in this book, (19)and if any one takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, Yahweh will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
Yahweh did not tell a Scholar to rearrange the bible just because he Saw the words IN THE BEGINNING ELOHIM.
There is NO BEGINNING to Yahweh or Ending. Nor did Yahweh say change my Name to LORD, GOD and JESUS.
That why I said, You must have A VISION to understand the BIBLE and not have A MAN VERISON.
I AM GOING TO MAKE THIS CLEAR SO THAT You Wayne nor another bloger says I said the BIBLE is a LIE. I haven’t said that.
Because, I believe in the Bible. Man has made mistranslation from the Hebrew to Greek to Latin to English. And Man has taken out the True Name of Our heaven father Yahweh Elohim and Yahshua.
And has cause Man now to believe in a lie. And that Lie is that Your Creator Name is a Title LORD, and GOD And that the SAVIOR is JESUS. Now that a Lie and can be proven. You cannot change or Translate a Proper Name.
February 2, 2009 at 10:43 pm |
Yep !
Thats rite Edrina.
February 2, 2009 at 11:42 pm |
Kered says:
1.Can a baby exit from the mothers womb without being conceived first?
Edrina Answer: No baby can come into this World first it but it must have a Mother and Father first.
If You believe that there is a Creator which would mean the Creator is 1st. The Creator just gave BIRTH to a CREATION.
It just that Simple the Creator cause us his Children. Yahweh was by himself and conceived right within himself the Creation. And the Creation came forth.
Male and female must come together to Conceive the Sperm comes from the Man and the Egg from the Woman. Both the egg and the Sperm must EXIT from which they Come from the Egg from the fallopian tube. and Sperm from the Man testicle.
They Male and Female become One flesh.
Yahweh which is Pure Spirit took on a Shape and fourm as Elohim than came into this world in the flesh as Yahshua the Messiah. Yahweh is One Yahweh or Yahweh is Elohim in a Shape and forum and Yahweh is Yahshua in that came Flesh in the 4000 year.
Every Human life does this same this in the Mother Womb: the Spermatic fluid which is without shape and forum and has a greyish-white tint (cloud ). After Fertilisation it take
about 4 days ( there that 4 again) to reach the Utreus. Then goes though Cell divison by the 2nd Week you can the Cell formation into three layers 3 (endoderm or Internal Layer, Mesodem or Middle Layer and the Ectoderm Outer Layer.)
That Cell has 3 layer or is 3-fold and it is still One Cell. Just like Yahweh or that Taberncle which was pitch in the Wilderness of Sinai.
The Embryo its around 3mm. This is just the 1st month. Anyway that Embryo is Transfroming its self and taking of the Shape and a form as baby within the Womb.That fetus or baby cannot be seen with the human eye it Takes an EXTRA Vision or Xray or Ultra Sound to See that baby in the Womb. It takes 40 week or 9 months for that Baby to Fully develop. It took the Childern of Isreal 40 weeks or 9 months before that Tabernacle was complete in Wilderness.
When a Woman about to give birth It will be a Show of Blood a show of Water and that Baby will taken in Life give H2O (Air) which is Spirit.
Since we have came to this subject I would like add something also. Because like I said Yahweh said he is 3-fold and everything must go must go by that Pattern. Yahweh (Spirit) Elohim (Water) and Yahshua (blood). In that Tabernacle which was pitch in the Wilderness of Sinai Had a Most Holy Place, Holy Place and Outer Court (or Court that went Round about).
So let see if those Male reproduction organ go by that. The penis has 1 (rod) and the two seeds which are the Testicle. But that is One Penis.
So let see if the Female has the Clitoris (Spirit) Urethra (Water) and Vagina (blood).
I guess that another happens stands….
February 3, 2009 at 3:01 am |
Let’s get something/ a few things straight….
Lisa in one of your blogs you said and I do quote, “That the proof is in plain sight and you(Edrina) and the memebers of the IDMR have yet to realize/recognize that.” What the problem seems to be behind all of this is that it is not us that fail to RECOGNIZE, but the problems begins at home with you….we can always look at someone else, but as I sd before You, I, He, She, They….WHATEVER, will be eternally damned if we continue to focus on another and not yourselves/ourselves. We all can sit at our computer desks and engage in this wonderful topic, but the truth of the matter is YOU, Kered, Wayne and any other who is so set on the Institute of Divine Metaphysical Researchs teaching being wrong AS WELL AS US (THOSE AFFILIATED WITH IDMR) are all caught up in the wrong thing.Being that we are in perilous times our main focus should primarily be on ones self….Honestly to hell with what others think of us!! The only one that matters is Yahshua/Dr. Kinley because they are one in the same. Dr. Kinley is just the PHYSICAL body that was chosen in our day and time, as some think the POPE or AHMEN-RA, BUDDAH or whoever.
It still stands that If you find a lie in our teaching we will close down our school(the entire IDMR) and we will follow you…Dr.Kinley made that statement years upon years ago, and we still uphold that today, which is obviously why we are still here, because know one has found a lie in what we say, have said and will say and I stand firm to that. My faith can not be shaken.
This teaching is irrefutable and the only ones who refute it are those who dont have a true understanding of there heavenly father. He called us individually by name(Edrina, Ana and others in IDMR)and bestowed upon us this marvelous teaching. There are many that want to know the truth but he has to CALL YOU BY NAME and if he doesnt choose you then NO…you will never know…never. Just be glad that he has called you by name!!!!
February 3, 2009 at 3:41 pm |
I pointed out before how there are hundreds of sects using the same bible, praying to the same GOD(Yahweh), but have different doctrines….
You can go to any chapter of people who believe in the religion from KEMET and I will guarantee you will not find one single difference in doctrines…..Why because the religion of KEMET is/was still is the original religion of the WORLD……
Dr. Kinley is just another “MAN” of Flesh and Bones who claimed he had the true religion……just like all the rest of those who claim the same…..
Dr. Kinley wrote a book called “Elohim the Archtype of the Universe” or something like that…..correct? And the purpose of this book is to reveal the true religion of Yahweh….correct?
Now here is a QUOTE from Edrina:
“Yahweh says it like this, Revelation 22″
“(18)I warn every one who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if any one adds to them, Yahweh will add to him the plagues described in this book, (19)and if any one takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, Yahweh will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book”…
So PLEASE tell me edrina that the book your LEADER wrote is NOT ADDING and TAKING out of context the BIBLE in which you just quoted from??????………
You will not find any MAN or WOMEN claiming to have had a Vision in any of our chapters…..Why, because the truth has already been revealed from the beginning…..and if anyone of us try to say he/she had a vision whould be telling a lie…..
In the original “Holy Torah/Pentatauch/Talmud”……the books are written in this order:
Bereshit (Genesis)
Shemot (Exodus)
Vayikra (Leviticus)
Bamidbar (Numbers)
Derarim (Deuteronomy)
The IDMR and all those who are Praying to Yahweh but have different doctrines are just as confused as the BIBLE in which you use…..
Peace in the name of “Ra”……..
February 3, 2009 at 6:10 pm |
hello, i’ve read the blogs here and have noted such gross misinformation about henry clifford kinley and his doctrine. this is where you can read his book which at the time was deemed the ‘world’s most controversial book’. it still is.
http://wiki.thepatternofeverything.org/index.php?title=God_the_Archetype_(Vol._1)
February 3, 2009 at 7:19 pm |
Waynes says: I know the members of the IDMR think they have the TRUTH. Just like the Jehovah witness and those of the Islam Faith and the rest of them.All these religions are only BABIES. They are the “Offspring” of the parent religion. The parent religion is that which started in Kemet some 6000 years ago. January 27, 2009 at 8:25 pm
Kered Sirrom Says: February 3, 2009 at 3:41 pm
You can go to any chapter of people who believe in the religion from KEMET and I will guarantee you will not find one single difference in doctrines…..Why because the religion of KEMET is/was still is the original religion of the WORLD……
Edrina Answer:
I just want to go back and look at this state about all the other Religions was in “Offspring” of Kemet. But there is a BIG different when it comes to being in Offspring of something. And that what Kered said, “ you will not find one single difference in doctrines”.
So let define Offspring The Dictionary say that In Offspring1. the immediate descendant or descendants of a person or animal 2. a product, outcome, or result: Or a family relation. A body follower, disciples or successors.
So what this cause us to Examine What is Kemetism: The development of Kemetic religion started in the United States in the 1970s, around the same time that many other
neopagan revivals and New Age religions got their start.
There are three main groups, each which take a different approach to their beliefs, ranging from eclectic (philosophical movement, artistic movement) to polytheistic econstructionist ( Polytheistic reconstructionism, or simply reconstructionism, is the practice of re-establishing historical polytheistic practices (“paganism”) in the modern world.) Which also includes Monolatrism.
Kemetic Wicca, Kemetic Revivalism and Reconstruction, and Ausar Auset
Kemetic Wicca:
Wicca is related to shamanism and includes various forms of white magick.
Next State that Dr. Kinley rewrote the Bible. That is TOTALLY false. Dr. Kinley point Out were Man took out the Correct Names and Put in a Book, That Elohim Book which must IDMR member call it has been sent all around the world to different Heads of State government. Even to the Vatican.
The book Elohim the Archetype (Original) Pattern of the Universe. Point outs were Man is in Error about Having a Understanding about the Creator.
Example: Chirstian have the Savior (INSTITUTE) Setting up or Starting up a Christian example or how to be Christ like.
Dr. Kinley wrote in the Elohim book and point it out with the Scripture that the messiah said, that he came to Fulfill. To carry out to finish to Complete to satisfy.
Example: Pope of Rome rode around on a Sedia Gestatoria (Chair) That Seat was bear by men and with staves run through it and the men was not able to touch the Pope.
The Ark of the Covenant which was in the Most Holy Place of the Tabernacle which was pitch in the Wilderness of Sinai Was carring by the Only the the Priest of the tribe of the Levi, with staves run through with rings, because it was not permitted to be touch with Man hands.
Dr. Kinley pointed that this act of bearing the Pope, was the act of exalted himself above all this call Yahweh. No long does the Pope ride that Seat.
Example: On Friday if you went to School there use to Service Fish. Why because The Catholic Church said you could eat MEAT on Friday.
Dr. Kinely wrote in that book that the bible or Yahshua call Fish Meat.
Example: Catholic Chruch which is the mother chruch of Christian said that Priest could not get Married.
They were wrong again the Preist which came from the Levi tribe were Married they had Children. Aaron was from that tribe he had sons.
Kered says:
1.So PLEASE tell me edrina that the book your LEADER wrote is NOT ADDING and TAKING out of context the BIBLE in which you just quoted from??????………
Edrina Answer: No Dr. Kinley did not rewrite the BIBLE. He does Have a BIBLE that says Holy Bible Version by Dr. Kinley.
Dr. Kinely said that God is Not a Name He said that Lord is not a Name. He said that Yahweh is a pattern and that the Tabernacle which was pitch in the Wilderness of Sinai is a explaination of the Creator.
Now the bible says that the Tabernacle is a pattern The bible says that the Messiah came to fulfill. The bible state don’t take the Name of Yahweh make it Void or Vain. Which mean to bring the name to nothing. Like when people say it does matter what you call him. You just brought his name to Nothing.
Now what Wayne said the Kemetism is the Parnet religion and all the other are a copy or a reflection of the Kemetism.
Now in Kemetism they believe that Water Cleanse, They Amulets (Sa) was a symbol of protection. The goddess of pregnancy and childbrith is sometime shown carry one. Sistrum was a musical instrument that was shaken like a rattle and the goddess of love and Joy often carries one. They have a Shrine which they have the gods place in. They write the dead names on a jar.
Those are just a few example because I will show You Wayne where the BIG different is With Us at IDMR I not talking about the rest of the World just IDMR and What Yahweh has should Us.
Exdous 20: I am Yahweh thy Elohim which brough thee out of the land of Egypt, ( I have took you out of Darkness because Egypt means dark place or dark land). Out of the house of bondage. Now you and us were in bondage to them because Yahweh put us there. To be so to Show is power.
Thou shalt have no other god (or idol) before me. So there is no need to have those Amulets or those Cross that people walk around with an say that I keep god near to my heart of bow dow to any of that stuff.
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, See Yahweh said, NO GRAVEN IMAGE. So don’t make a idol or thing and say that be to Creator of heaven and earth because your Wrong.
Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I Yahweh they Elohim am a jealous Elohim. Now there isn’t No Need to Serve that thing which You do in your Daily Rite No Need. To Serve the thing or the Creature.
Because the Creator Yahweh is Spirit. So, I don’t have to but on a white rode or bow my knees a say a prayer. Or do a Daily Rite of Water Cleanse.
EVERYTHING that I Do at IDMR is in TOTALLY different in Kemetism.
Kemetism you must see the god touch the god smell the god etc. Examine Your Daily Rite it have every last physical way of worship. So you don’t worship spiritually. If you have to do a physical action as those which I have already stated.
When I say physical go towards how you worship the creator. THE CRETOR knows that we are limited we only have 5 sense. BUT, YAHWEH has left us away in knowing him and it though knowledge of everything that on this earth or universe. SO, THEY WHICH IS US IS WITHOUT EXCUSE.
Now you can’t physical weigh Knowledge which Yahweh says, to inherit eternal life is to KNOW thee the only true Elohim, and Yahshua the Messiah whom thou has sent.
SEE, Yahweh which is SPIRIT is with me at all times. SO, Yahweh knows my thoughts and hears my prayers because he is right within
SO, When the MESSIAH said, I in He and He in me. YOU IN ME. We all abide within the Pure Spirit of YAHWEH.
SO, This goes back to what I said if kemetism is parent religion the bible it states different.
February 3, 2009 at 7:53 pm |
Quote from Edrina:
So what this cause us to Examine What is Kemetism: The development of Kemetic religion started in the United States in the 1970s, around the same time that many other
neopagan revivals and New Age religions got their start.
There are three main groups, each which take a different approach to their beliefs, ranging from eclectic (philosophical movement, artistic movement) to polytheistic econstructionist ( Polytheistic reconstructionism, or simply reconstructionism, is the practice of re-establishing historical polytheistic practices (”paganism”) in the modern world.) Which also includes Monolatrism.
Kemetic Wicca, Kemetic Revivalism and Reconstruction, and Ausar Auset
GEEEEEZ. Edrina you must not have been reading anything Kered have been saying.
The religion of Kemet was here at the beginning of creation. I do not think creation started in 1970a.d.
Wicca is TOTALLY different than the religion of Kemet and all other religions are different than the doctrine of Kemetic Religion. But like we are saying to you, the FIRST religion on earth was/is the religion that was practised at the beginning of civilization which started in KEMET.
I know its hard for you to understand and accept it.
ALL the religions we have today are nothing more than SPIN-OFFS if you will.
The IDMR got its start in 1931 with H. Kinley. The original HEBREWS was praising Yahweh long before KINLEY was born and they did not compare the TABERNACLE to the HUMAN BODY.
February 3, 2009 at 8:49 pm |
I want to make sure I understand what Edrina said:
And I Quote:
Just because Wayne thought and Scholars thought that Gensis should be first doesn’t make it Right.
Edrina Answer: I didn’t say the bible was a lie I said that Scholar place Gensis before Exodus. Man is in Error. When man error doesn’t mean Lie. Error means mistake. Lie means in untruth.
Well Edrina just because Henry Kinley had a so-called vision does not make it right EITHER my child.
REMEMBER……before Yahweh came into existence by-way of the Hebrews and before the Hebrews was BORN or vice-versa however you want to word it………CIVILIZATION was here in KEMET PRAISING a CREATOR.
WICCAN Religion was started in the 17th century a.d…..named the “1700 Tradition”…..Again if you can read dates…..Kemet was here before that…..Wicca came into its own in 1954.
Like I said before ALL the religions of today are only BABIES/OFFSPRING of the parent……and the only similarity is you all believe in a “CREATOR”……just like the religion of Kemet…..But you changed the Doctrine and the NAME of the CREATOR to suit your doctrine.
Peace in the name of “Ra”
February 4, 2009 at 12:14 am |
Let me say this again Everyone in this world has had a Vision of Something. You can except or eject.
That Vision took place within the confine of you or right within yourself.
Like I said before there are great Vision which you and I can see right now. I going to take that example of the motor vehicle again.
Henry Ford had a VISION of the HORSELESS Carriage. It starts right within him. No one understood it and at that time No one even believe him. Now he made that Motor Vehicle. And Put his Name on that Car. Then He Henry Ford just step right in that Car and drove right around in it.
In Artist Has a Vision of a Painting, He alone can see that Vision because it right within him. He take that Vision and Draws it out on a Painting. And he the Artist sign his Name to the Painting. Now You and I can take part of that Artist Vision or See what That Vision was and is. Which started right within Him.
I DONOT worship the Creature or a Thing or A Men or Dr. Kinley. I cannot be SAVE in the Name of Dr. Kinley.
As Ancient Egypt worship Everything just to must sure that then did miss a god or two or three or 2000.
There is only One Universal you have one body, there is only One Soul.
The Creator is One not many Not many NAMES Not something that you can put on a shrine and say this be the god of the Universal.
See, that a short Arm god with limits to when you can fashion it yourself put in a little box, which is a shrine and open that box when you need to pray to it.
That Tabernacle which was pitch in the Wilderness of Sinai was in example of heavenly things. Even in Hebrew 8: talk about who was the true Tabernacle which Yahweh pitch and not man. And that Tabernacle was Yahshua the Messiah.
So Yahshua is refer to a Tabernacle. Or the True Tabernacle was the body of Yahshua the Messiah.
The Creator says he is 3-fold, so every thing must go by that pattern. If, Yahweh is not the Creator why does everything come 3-fold? Explain that?
I have went in great detail to explain the Unity of the Spirit. And how Yahweh Elohim is a pattern and everything must conform to that pattern.
We speak only in Present, Pass and Future. (3) We eat Breakfast, Lunch and Dinner (3). We eat with Knife, fork and spool (3) Earth Has Mantel, Crust and Core (3). These are witnesses that are in the earth that the Creator in 3-fold makeup. The Human body has Head, Chest and Abdominal but it still One body.
Example why Dr. in the Medical Journey and Dictionary quota “Tabernacle: the Human body abode for the soul.” (The American College Dictionary.)
All that was here before Dr. Kinley and NO ONE knew or understood why. Until Dr. Kinley began to preach the Unity of the Spirit and he put it in a book and Explain why We are made in the likeness and Image of Yahweh our Elohim. And that EVERYTHING goes by that Pattern.
When you say that Yahweh is not the Creator You denied Yourself. Your own body.
Yahweh Elohim Yahshua is One. Not many Until You or Any one else can come to agreement within your own self That the Creator is ONLY ONE and Not Many. And does come into Many Names You will still in Darkness or in Egypt.
Egypt or the Kemetism was a dead belief like I said look it up google it do what ever you need to do to examine it.
Egyptian No LONGER makes mummies for the dead. Egyptian No Longer write in Ancients Egyptian its Dead. The President over there is not god. As a Pharaoh was. And that list can go on and on.
If Kemetism started in Ancient Egypt and Kered and Lisa says that they do there practice Ancient Egyptian you really has MODERNIZATE it. Or made because I see no mummies you people are making no gold or wealth or put with dead after they died.
Here is example from one of the Kemetism practitioner:
The most important, and most difficult part of my religious practice is to “Do Ma’at”. I have a shrine in my apartment with images of Djehuty (Thoth), Bast, Anpu (Anubis – in LEGO no less), and Sekhmet.
Each day (mostly) I perform a Daily Rite to fulfill my ritual obligations under Ma’at, to be with Netjer for awhile, and to sacrifice. At the altar, one wears no black (preferably only white), no leather, and no wool. The images of the Netjeru are contained within a Naos box, which is ritually opened. There are candles and incense and prayer. At the conclusion, the Naos is closed.
The year is filled with numerous holidays and festivals, where we try to gather fellow Kemetics together for ritual, feasting, and fun. http://www.thomryng.com/kmt.htm
I says this again When I was child I play with dolls and toys then put them away in my toy boxes when I was finish with them. I could pull them out any time I need them to satisfy that need Of wanting to play with something. When you play with Your toy dolls you had a great Imagination.
Now when I grew up I put away those things and had children brought cars and home.
So, If you got a box full of gods that you take out make sure that your white because it’s a sign of be cleanse or pure and do those prayer with the candles and incense. And make your ritual obligations are right so that Your heart can be weigh against a feather (ostrich) at the day of judgment of the dead.
Now, Yahweh is not waiting til you dead because, You must inherit eternal Life Now. Not later aint Nothing being weigh after death with Yahweh.
Your being judge right now On what You know. It the Cleanse of the Human mind and Heart which in the body. Yahshua must be in You and You in Him. And Yahshua will Cleanse those thought about idols and How to worship him.
There isn’t no need to do any of that stuff. YAHWEH says he is not worship with A Man hands. No you that your body is a temple.
February 4, 2009 at 3:46 pm |
EDRINA…….
lets sum this up:
In every class of the IDMR you have on one of the charts where Yahweh Elohim Yahshua says…..”I WILL BE WHAT I WILL TO BE”, correct?
Now let me QUOTE what you just said Edrina:
“Yahweh Elohim Yahshua is One. Not many Until You or Any one else can come to agreement within your own self That the Creator is ONLY ONE and Not Many. And does come into Many Names You will still in Darkness or in Egypt”.
What Yahweh is saying is he can have MANY NAMES, SHAPES or FORMS.
If the creator says “he will be what he whats to be” then how can you Edrina tell the CREATOR what NAME or SHAPE or FORM he can come in??????
GEN 1:26-27 And “God” said let us make man in our image and in our likeness and give him dominion. So “God” created man in his own image, in the image of “God” created he him; male and female created them.
GEN 2:7 and the “Lord God” formed man of the dust of the ground and breathed in his nostrils the breath of life and man became a living soul.
Now pay attention all you Dr. Kinley followers.
We have “2″ distinct creations of man here. If you notice the first has the title “God” and the second uses “Lord God”. We have 2 different writers of this story.
The first writer is writing according to the “Elohistic” version.
The second writer is writing according to the “Jehovistic” version.
The reason these two creation stories are referred as Elohistic and Jehovistic is because of the different Hebrew names used in speaking of the deity in the two documents or classes of documents from which these accounts were derived.
In the first story of creation the Hebrew word Elohim was originally used in referring to the Supreme Being. Elohim, when translated means God.
In the second story the original Hebrew word for God was Jehovah or Jehovah Elohim, when translated means the God of Gods, rendered in the King James Version of the bible as the Lord God.
So Edrina this is proof that your CREATOR can “be what he will to be”…..BUT wait a minute…REMEMBER that the Hebrew came on the scene in the 17th century b.c.e and civilization was already in its 18th Dynastic Era when The Creator “Ra” says in his litany:
“I have multitude of names and forms”………
This was taken out of context by the Hebrew
Peace in the name of the ONLY CREATOR of ALL “Ra”……………..
February 4, 2009 at 7:29 pm |
After Mr. Kinley had his vision and revelation he still was not certain what had happened to him. So he pointed to three stars in the sky and asked Yahweh if what he had revealed to him was correct, let three stars fall from the sky. According to Mr. Kinley 3 stars fell.
Is it just me or did Mr. Kinley just witness a “natural” phenomenon known as “shooting stars”? Did anyone else see these “falling” stars?
Now the sky covers the whole earth so why did no one else see these stars fall and why is it that every time someone claim to have seen something like a UFO they are the only ones to have seen it?
PLEASE.
February 4, 2009 at 7:35 pm |
Kered,
If you read Exodus, you will find that Moses went 3 times on the Mount Sinai. During one trip he had a vision described in Genesis 1, during the next trip he saw the continuation of the vision, described in Genesis 2 and after. It is one creation story, not two. That’s how it was explained by Dr Kinley.
In Genesis 1 “Elohim” is used. In Genesis 2 “Yahweh Elohim” is used. Elohim is a title, not name. Yahweh is a proper name of the Creator, and He does not change it.
Here is a simple example of these “two accounts” in Genesis. You can read in the news, “President made a decree. In this decree, president Obama made known…”
February 4, 2009 at 8:03 pm |
Kered
It is not like a name is being sold to you or the world. That that has no form, who became form within himself , decided on a name and gave it in the form of the tetragrammaton. By the same token same one that has no form, then became form, he decided on a people to manifest all education of him; the hebrew nation. A nation that he birthed or made an exodus out of mankind.
Remember that mankind had already existed many generations prior to Him calling out Abe and giving him circumcision to create jew and gentile. He (yhwh) did it accordin to his will. It pleased Him to do it this way….why ‘kick against the thorns’. All of these kingdoms that you speak of are irrelevent when compared to the trek of his seed within his people. All of these kingdoms that you keep bringing up are gentile nations that provided contrast for isreal. I had nuthin to do wit it. You had nothin to do wit it.
These are things imposed on all of us by the same one that says ‘heart beat’ or ’sun rise’ or Son rise….or not. These are things not made by mans hands.
February 4, 2009 at 8:38 pm |
Thorpe.
All of those Kingdoms that we speak of gave birth to Yahweh and the Hebrews. They were no gentiles, greeks, romans, muslims or any other religious group of people prior to 1800b.c.e.
Abrahm came in 1700b.c.e
the Greeks came in 1000b.c.e, then the romans then the muslims so on and so forth. The original Hebrews did not worship Yahweh the same as you do now.
The IDMR and all the other modern day sects of Yahweh are creating their own doctrine. We have hundreds of religous sects of Yahweh who praise Yahweh in a different doctrine which means you are a confused group of people.
It says in the bible that ‘no new knowledge or prophecy shall be added or taken’.
That ‘archetype pattern book’ that Mr. Kinley wrote is adding knowledge and prophecy. Mr. Kinley is adding knowledge and prophecy to something is 95% iBut stay in the IDMR. You people know everything.
February 4, 2009 at 9:30 pm |
Lisa, try reading it first, then point out the additions, okay?
Thank you.
February 4, 2009 at 9:47 pm |
Yahweh said Not Edrina said, That He has One Name Not Many Names with in (s) The Name Yahweh is in the bible over 7,964 times in 6,731 verses. So, his name is VERY important to Yahweh.
Yahweh said, Not Me, don’t take the Name of Yahweh and to bring to Naught (Vain) or bring to Nothing. That’s in the Book the Bible. He did not say Don’t take my Names with in (s) in Vain.
Yahweh said, in Det 6:4 “Hear, O Israel: The Yahweh (Lord) our Elohim (God) is one Yahweh;
So let examine this Natural so because what happen About the Name. I live in the United States. Which mean One County. There are 50 states each one Has One Name. There are Cities, Town Villages etc Within the United States but guess what each one has One Name.
There is not One state that has 2 different Names.
Now We live more and have a being Within Yahweh there are many people but guess what they have One Name. We live move and have are being within the United States.
Now if your walking around on this earth And told a person that you have many names. They would say your crazy or you have a mental disorder. Or You’re a thief and robber a liar. Police office would say that they’re Alias, which means not real.
Also there is a reason why there is Only 50 states That means something to. Because, Yahweh Elohim is a pattern and everything must go by that Pattern.
So if Yahweh says he Unity or is not divided up into multi-idols. He means what he said.
Kered Sirrom Says:February 4, 2009 at 3:46 pm
1.Now pay attention all you Dr. Kinley followers.
We have “2″ distinct creations of man here. If you notice the first has the title “God” and the second uses “Lord God”. We have 2 different writers of this story.
The first writer is writing according to the “Elohistic” version.
The second writer is writing according to the “Jehovistic” version.
Edrina Answer: Reread about the two account I have already answer that question Edrina January 31, 2009 at 1:11 am
Your are Compelte way in left field I and other blog have state that there is No letter J in the Heberw language. So that Jehovistic with the letter J is wrong.
Elohim which you are calling “God”. And Yahweh which you are calling “Lord”.
That why it was so important that Yahweh sent someone in this time and Age to say that we were wrong. Because without the correct Name placement in the proper place in the bible you get it wrong.
Wrong again about 2 different writers with that (s) again.
Yahweh gave Moses a Vision of the Creation he is the writer of the 1st five books of the bible.
By the Name of Yahweh has first give to Moses before hebrew called Him by the title which he chose for himself Elohim which mean the Almight provider.
So when you see in the Bible the Words “Lord our God” which is Yahweh our Elohim. Or Yahweh is the Almight Provider.
I going to explain this again in Gensis which Moses wrote chapter One you will see the word “God” in the 2nd chapter the first lines you will see “God” by the fouth line you will start to see Lord God.
Yahweh which is Pure Spirit took on a Shape and form as Elohim. Again Yahweh is Spirit and manfest himself in only two State of that One Spirit. Elohim which can be only seen in a Vision and understood in a Revelation he is the Word or Son. Or he break himself down into Elohim. Because Mankind cant not understand Spirit in its Natural state. So Yahweh knows that. So he break himself dcown to a low state so that we can comperhend him which is Elohim. Or the Almight provider.
See Moses comes down from the Mt which I state on Jan 31, and the vision stops like said because, he had to come down and see what was going on in the Camp.
So, when Moses goes back up the Mt Yahweh or to keep it short just repeat back with the begin of the Vision and shows Moses that Yahweh transfroms back in Elohim or break himself down as Elohim.
So that Why you see Moses write that Yahweh Elohim “ In the day that the LORD God (Yahweh Elohim) made the earth and the heavens,”
Kered says:
1.In the second story the original Hebrew word for God was Jehovah or Jehovah Elohim, when translated means the God of Gods, rendered in the King James Version of the bible as the Lord God.
Let me define what translated means: to turn (something written or spoken) from one languague into another, to change, to bear to remove.
That that ERROR which I keep talking about that translated error. Now if King James would have kept the bible the way it was it would be a problem about the Creator have but One Name.
If you TRANSLITERATE which means; to change (letters, words, etc) into correpondsing character on another alphabet or language.
When King James Version TRANSLATION which was in 1611 You will not see No letter J in it at all. Go to web site: http://dewey.library.upenn.edu/sceti/printedbooksNew/printableformat.cfm?coll=printedbooks&subcoll=kjbible&filename=kjbible_body1241.sid&pagePosition=1317
Yahweh which is the book doen’t Never say that he is Many gods. He said I will be what I will to be.
The Only thing Yahweh Create that has MANY Names with that (s) is SATAN, hades the Devil He the Devil come to Man kind as many Names etc… Says that I will be like the most High. He has his Demons.
Yahweh did not divided his power up into Mult-Names or to A Collectivism Which Amen-Ra and other Culture believe.
Collectivism: the socialistic principle of control by people collectively.
People who worship Amen Ra control or think that they have the control to fashion to buy to make of a A god or goddess. You think that Aman-Ra in principle is all the gods in connection or is in connection to one another because Ra was add at the end of a idols name after the Upper and Lower Egypt came togethier.
Kered says:
1.So Edrina this is proof that your CREATOR can “be what he will to be”…..BUT wait a minute…REMEMBER that the Hebrew came on the scene in the 17th century b.c.e and civilization was already in its 18th Dynastic Era when The Creator “Ra” says in his litany:
Edrina Answer: Before any Human life was on this Earth the Creator made sure that Man was not back there He made sure Why because man would have said that he was back with god making the Creature to.
So Everyone on this Earth (I hope) knows that Earth and every that grows and the Animal were here before A Man.
Which means before the 18th Dynastic Era.
So let exmaine that Plant to Show you that Yahweh was already here before Amen Ra. Because, Yahweh said that every comes from Him and if it does that Plant or Animal must go by Yahweh Elohim Yahshua.
The development of a Plant three basic tissue systems (dermal, ground, and vascular), that (3) but it still is One Plant.
The dermal is the skin of the Plant. Ground is which the root of the Plant. Vascular is the tissue of the Plant.
A plant has flowers and within that flower or bud it produces seed.
Now that development of Seed growth goes by that Pattern of Taking on a shape and form.
The egg cell and polar nuclei are contained within the embryo sac. The sperm nuclei are derived from the pollen grains.
One sperm nucleus fertilizes the egg, generating a 2N diploid zygote.
That One sperm that has the same process as Yahweh, break it self down in to low states with the same property. The same Sperm which is in the One sperm is in the 2N diploid zygote. (The diploid zygote undergoes repeated cellular division by mitosis.)
Sperm nucleus fertilizes a polar cell with two 1N nuclei, generating a 3N triploid endosperm, which provides nutrients to the developing embryo.
Now biology calls this One Sperm that has a Double (which means two) itself for Fertilization.
Yahweh is that One Sperm or that broke Himself down in to two States. Elohim and Yahshua.
Now if Yahweh is not the Creator of Heaven and Earth wel should not be able to see this Process of development in a plant, which was before A Man.
February 4, 2009 at 9:58 pm |
Wayne: “After Mr. Kinley had his vision and revelation he still was not certain what had happened to him. So he pointed to three stars in the sky and asked Yahweh if what he had revealed to him was correct, let three stars fall from the sky. According to Mr. Kinley 3 stars fell.”
Please keep the facts strait. According to Dr. Kinley’s account, he was 100% certain about the vision and revelation he received. The episode with 3 stars pertains to the time BEFORE he received the vision, when he contemplated about the death of his son.
This episode is interesting, but not essential for our faith. We don’t put our trust in signs like shooting stars, but in the revealed teaching explaining Yahweh’s purpose according to the Bible, which can be supported by witnesses.
February 5, 2009 at 12:19 am |
Have anyone Notice on this Blog that I have made some hard Statements about Kemetism is on how they Worship.
And not One Not a single One From Kered, Lisa or Wayne state that said, that it wasn’t true.
We, at IDMR said, that Yahweh is Spirit and the Only way to Worship Yahweh is in Spirit and In truth.
There isn’t no knee bending No put your hands together or praying to idol that was make with A Man hands. We, don’t make Shine to keep a little god in. We don’t put on a white rob and purify are bodies which is a type of baptized. No Need to raise Your arm to the ceil of your home or to building or up to the sky to praise an idol. There isn’t NO physical ritual, feasting.
In the Egyptian Calendar they have Festival/Celebration in February (Month: Pamenot Netjer of the Month: Amun-Ra)
During the Month of Feb 6, which is 3 days Feast of Heru: Heru-wer is a strong Name, and can be called upon to help overcome difficulties in your life.
So when you have a problem you call on the Name Heru and if that problem is solve he will get the Praise. Even though Amen-Ra suppose to be the Creator.
Each month in the Egyptian Calendar has a days when you can to do something a gods birthday, Day of Satisfying the Hearts, Honors offered to Atum, Day of the appearance of the eight Great Names of Netjer there are over 100 things Celebrate or Festival in One Year. Remember there are only 365 days in the Gregorian Calendar.
If that not working out you On Salvation, There must not be a Savior in Kemetism because if its he is a short arm god.
Yahweh said, John 3:17 – For Yahweh sent the Son into the world, not to condemn the world, but that the world might be saved through him.
That son whom Yahweh sent is Yahshua he is the Savior.
So if we have a Savior He must saving us from something.
Now Under the law there was 600 Ordinance plus the 10 Commandments. Altogether that is 613. Which really was 1 because if you add 6+1+3 =10. If you read my blog about How Yahweh says about Zero which has no value to Yahweh. Because He Yahweh said a 1 day is 1000 years and a 1000 years is as 1 day.
So under the Law if you broke 1 ordinance you broke them all. That Law was to point out You need a Savior. (Jews never understood that 613 ordinance and Commandments was always Spiritual even though they were during it physical.)
Now when Yahshua died on that Cross all that old way of worshiping him physical was nail to the Cross. Because he said, Matthew 5:17 – “Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them.” And usher you into a new way of worship.
Now I care whom you are in the World gone be Save unto something. John 17:12 – While I was with them, I kept them in thy name, which thou hast given me; I have guarded them, and none of them is lost but the son of perdition, that the scripture might be fulfilled.
Either your gone to Save unto Yahshua in a Name (life eternal understanding light) or gone be Save unto the Son of Perdition whom has many Name (death eternal no understanding or darkness)
February 5, 2009 at 12:53 am |
Many people think because they know the true name literally that they have salvation and to use any other name, such as Lord, God, or Jesus Christ, is blasphemy.
I used to think that for the first 2 or 3 years after I learned the true names, which was 20 years ago. But as I grew in understanding by the holy spirit, I realized the name represents spiritual principles. My purpose is to teach the masses the principles of the Messiah and not the literal name.
Now Israel at the time of Yahshua the Messiah’s ministry knew his NAME and called him by it. Yet they rejected Him in spite of all the miracles He performed (Jn. 12:35-41).
Even His disciples knew His NAME and were given power to performed various miracles, yet they could not heal some men or cast out all demons. This was because, as the Messiah said, they had no FAITH (Mat. 7:16-22).
Without the principles of Love, Faith, Patience, Faith, Commitment, etc., knowing the True Names means nothing.
Isaiah wrote the following to show forth that Yahshua the Messiah is a body of principles.
“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace (Isa. 9:6). Yahshua is the Tree of Life meaning He is the “Fruits of the Spirits (Gal. 5:22).”
My brother or sister, the hour is far gone for milk or knowing the True Names literally. The Messiah said: “And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days (Mt. 24:19)!”
What is needed now is MEAT; (i.e, not only a knowledge of the spirit accordance to the Bible, but an experience with the Holy Spirit (Jn. 14:26).
Because you know someone’s name means nothing if you had not intercoursed with them. By this we mean having visions, dreams, hearing His still small voice, etc. It is these things that confirm the True reality of the True names. Remember, the teachers of Israel knew the TRUE NAMES, but they rejected Yahshua.
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February 5, 2009 at 2:11 am |
Eric,
how can you teach without out giving the understand or the spiritual principles though a name. I understand that pick people understanding up were they have fallen. So, if they think that the name is Lord you began there. But sooner or later you have to say that not right and Because, you can only be save in One name.
And that person should have that Name given to them to keep the blood of your head. Just like Noah did Noah preach 120 years that it was gone rain. They did listen but that blood was but on there head because they did want to hear. So, those same Spiritual principles are still today we preach that the Savior Name is Yahshua even though many don’t want to hear.
You know that a the name of Lord, God Jesus Christ means something in the teaching of Spiritual principles.
Now Yahweh said it like this Revelation 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of A man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and Six.
If you count up that Number which is 666 or 6+6+6=18
Count up the letter of Lord God Jesus Christ. There are 18 letters.
Eric you are so right the Jews reject Yahshua because they had to because remember Yahshua is the Lamb.
That goes back to the Passover or the last plague give before the Jews Exits Egypt. Now Yahweh said to take out a Lamb that Lamb had to be with out spot or blemish it had to be a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats: it Shall keep it up until the 14th day of the same month; and the Whole assembly of the congregation of Israel (Jews) shall kill it in the evening. They had Eat that Lamb and put that blood of the lamb on the inside of their door. So, that that death Angle will pass them over.
Now remember when John the baptism said, behold the Lamb of Yahweh, which he call Yahshua.
When Pilate said I find no fault in this man. Again he Says I, having examine him before you, have found no fault in this man touching those things whereof ye accuse him. He talking about Yahshua.
Just like the Israelites had to examine that Lamb for spot and blemish to make sure that there was No fault in that Lamb.
The Jews (the Whole assembly) cried, saying Crucify him crucify him (Yahshua).
Just like back there for the Passover they Jews said kill the lamb.
Now Yahshua said, that he will die be buried and resurrected a Quicking (Holy) Spirit.
Like you said those are still Spirit principles. So, Principles which still is a Name Yahshua must be in You so that the Death Angle will pass you over.
Or become a reality in Your heart and mind to resurrect You out of the Darkness of believing in a lie like Lord God Jesus Christ. Or worshiping of idols.
February 5, 2009 at 2:16 am |
Eric,
type error with at they DID listen. They Didn’t listen and the blood was on there Heads.
Just like they dont want to listen Now that Yahshua is the Savior You preach anyway to keep the blood off your head just like Noah did.
Also, I enjoy your blog about the Spiritual Principles.
February 5, 2009 at 3:31 am |
Dr. Kinley has for the most part been grossly misrepresented here on this blog. The blogger nooney suggests you read the book ” Elohim The Archetype ( Original ) Pattern of the Universe.” Good suggestion if one wants to critique what he taught or if one would like to better understand what he taught. At the very least you will discern that he was very careful with his words and knew enough English to properly construct a sentence so that it could be understood by the reader.
If you can’t be bothered with reading the whole book which would produce a clearer understanding of the doctrine, try the first 10 – 20 pages.
Arguing repetitiously is not profitable.
February 5, 2009 at 3:41 am |
H.C. Kinley used lord,god,jesus from 1930 to 1960 are you saying that he was the beast also.I have seen the 1958 videos were he uses the incorrect titles.I have read transcrips from 1966 and 1967 were Dr.Kinley uses lord ,god,jesus,and that was after the true names were reveled in 1961.So edrina according to your logic IDMR was operation under a santanic spirit for more than thirty years. Now some members of the Institute of Divine Metaphysical Research, Inc., want to dogmatically hold to the error that H. C. Kinley was one of the original promoters of the True Names, as if he had a monopoloy on the truth.Sacred names were used prior to 1960.In 1939 The assembly of YHVH were using the correct names.Go to PLIM.org which goes into great detail on how the true names originated.
February 5, 2009 at 4:26 am |
Two quotes from Dr. Kinley: judge for yourself if Dr. Kinley was adding or taken away from the Bible, or if he claimed to be the Messiah.
“But I do want you to know THAT I AM NOT THE SAVIOR. You understand? You see what I mean? I want you to know if I was hung on a tree out yonder it wouldn’t affect your salvation none at all, it’d just be another dead man that’s all. … As Paul said there in the Corinthians: “Who is Paul? Who is Peter? Who is Apollos? Was Paul crucified for you?”
See they’re just ministers by whom you believe. You see? Now here I am down here in the end of this age, now if I preach anything different to you, and teach you anything different than did Messiah and the Apostles, (see there’s no way to go them one better), You understand. I’m a liar, and I want you to know that see. Now we’re after the reality down here and I’m not down here to preach to you Henry C. Kinley cause Henry C. Kinley don’t amount to nothing, and neither does Bahaullah, AND NEITHER DO YOU WHOEVER YOU ARE, it don’t make no difference. … No flesh got no right to boast in His presence.”
“And nobody said in these last days to preach anything different than what has already, already been preached. Now that’s my story. You see what I’m talking about? If I come along and argue with the Apostle
Paul.. Apostle Paul preached just as great as anybody is gonna ever preach it until the revelation of Yahshua the Messiah from heaven! And that’s the only thing gonna straighten it all up. …Paul said “And taking flaming vengeance on His adversary and them that know not God!” Your
opportunity and your time to find out the difference is NOW! ”
Dr. Kinley NOVEMBER 1967: FALSE PROPHETS OR SEDUCING SPIRITS
February 5, 2009 at 5:44 am |
Jakes question:
Now some members of the Institute of Divine Metaphysical Research, Inc., want to dogmatically hold to the error that H. C. Kinley was one of the original promoters of the True Names, as if he had a monopoloy on the truth.
Edrina says:
Now Dr. Kinley didnt say that that not true about that Now you gotta go back look at the bible so that their would be no confuses about who was first about the Name.
Now Moses was the first to receive and Use the Name of Yahweh before that the Children of Israel call Yahweh Elohim, which means the Almighty Provider.
Now the truth has always been out there but was not understood until Dr. Kinley start point out were You and I and the world was in error about the Creator.
Example: The word FULFILL was in that bible way before Dr.Kinley was born in this world remembers that.
But, Christian had the Messiah set up a Christian example.
There many example that in the bible so show us were we were in error about Yahweh.
The verse John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true Elohim and Yahshua whom thou hast sent.
Dr. Kinley is the one who point what Eternal Life is; and that it was though a Knowledge.
Christian has Eternal Life through water baptism; paying money, going though your Minster, go to confusion even the Mother Mary. And that list can go on about how to inherit eternal life with the Christian world. Or just do something physical to worship the Creator.
Now PLIM.org better make sure that it Start with Moses. And make sure that they say they didn’t Not have a true understand why it was so important because it not Just that we had the Name of the Creator wrong are thought of the Creator was wrong. That is the biggest different between Dr. Kinley and everyone one else whom say that Had an Vision from Yahweh.
Dr. Kinley Vision can be No different than what Paul saw or said Cant be no different than what Moses said, And you can say No different than any of those people said neither See they were all were in agreement on that One.
Just like now we must see and understand the same thing that Moses saw and understood. You dont want to be like the 73 elders they ate and drink and Saw the Elohim of Israel.
But since they were not up top the Mt. they did not receive the understanding They disobey Moses and didn’t wait until he came back. So the 73 elder broke the commandant or broke the law went back and Aaron fashion the gold Calf and they said this be the Elohim that brought me out of Egypt (Darkness).
Live2blive your are right on point. 1 Corinthians 13:1 “ This is the third time I am coming to you . In the month of two and three witness shall every word be established.
February 5, 2009 at 3:10 pm |
Please answer my question why did Dr.Kinley use the incorrect names in between 1930-1960 why can’t the IDMR explain this.Your the one who made the connection between lord,god,jesus christ and 666.Your the one who said you are operating under a santanic spirit if you use the incorrect titles.Is everyone who used the incorrect name going to the lake who were in class between 1930-1960 because they used the incorrect name.I think it is spirital principles that count and your founder proved that when he kept using the incorrect names.
February 5, 2009 at 3:25 pm |
Edrina we who practice the “Original” religion of Kemet; notice I said ORIGINAL religion of Kemet STRONGLY disagree with what you have to say about it. have you EDRINA set foot in any of our class teachings? No I think not.
I said in my very first post that I used to attend the IDMR classes for a few months so I have experienced what is being taught in the IDMR.
All of our members have traveled to Kemet/Egypt. We take annual tours and if you want ot come and see for yourself where the HEBREW, the Catholic, the Muslim and all of the religions of today got their start from; you are more than welcome to attend our meetings………
We do not practice any form of racism. What we do teach is from factual evidence……..So for any person that call themselves an “African American” who believe that Yahweh is their creator is a person who suffers from “Mental Slavery”………
Those of you in the IDMR have yet to address this issue:
Yahweh cursed you for an eternity in turning your skin “Black” as told in the BIBLE…….Now before any of you get offended I am not trying to attack anyone on a personal level…..Let me say again I am not a racist. We have all people from all different ETHNIC groups as members……..How can you be a so-called ‘birth son’ of Yahweh when he cursed you thousands of years before you were born? Did Yahweh remove that curse from you and if he did when? I think not because you/we are still BLACK…..
The creator we pray to “Ra” has NEVER cursed his people…..Now their is a story that the human race once disobeyed “Ra” and he sent “Hathor” to kill those who disobeyed him. Hathor did what she was called to do and that was that. But “Ra” never cursed his people for an ETERNITY like Yahweh always seem to do…..
Yahweh has cursed and committed murder in the BIBLE at random…..All the books of Moses is FILLED with Yahweh running rampant killng and cursing all his people. But that just goes to show you that the HEBREW is of a Satanic spirit.
We are required to research as much as possible and to travel to Kemet and get a first hand vision of were it all started from. Those people in Egypt now are NOT the people who were there when Kemet was the ONLY civilized nation on EARTH…..The Majority of those in Egypt now are Muslim and like we said the Muslim did not exist prior to 700b.c.e
We wish you all peace and harmony and if Yahweh is your god then thats fine with us…….
February 5, 2009 at 3:49 pm |
Kered: “Yahweh cursed you for an eternity in turning your skin “Black” as told in the BIBLE”
You won’t find it in the Bible! Please be careful not to make statements which are not true. If you find the verse, I will apologize. If you don’t, you should admit you were wrong. These are the rules of honest debate.
February 5, 2009 at 4:27 pm |
Jake: “Please answer my question why did Dr.Kinley use the incorrect names in between 1930-1960 why can’t the IDMR explain this.”
Dr. Kinley explained that he did not use correct names until certain time, because people were not ready to accept them. In other words, he had to teach them the principles first (God is salvation, by grace, not works), so that they would understand and accept the name Yahshua (“Yahweh is salvation”).
Importantly, although Dr. Kinley USED god, lord and Jesus Christ, he did not TEACH these were correct names or titles.
Here are two witnesses of this principle. Yahweh did not give His name to the humankind until certain time (Moses at the burning bush). Similarly, a child does not learn the proper names of the parents until he/she achieves a certain level of maturity.
February 5, 2009 at 5:32 pm |
Jake,
Reread my blog I said: February 5, 2009 at 2:11 am I understand that pick people understanding up were they have fallen. So, if they think that the name is Lord you began there. But sooner or later you have to say that not right and Because, you can only be save in One name.
Dr. Kinley did not teach nor preach the Same princlpes of Christendom. He use the Name Lord God Jesus Christ. Because thats all they Knew or understood. But, there came a time That he said We will no long us those name.
Just like Moses did with the Children of Isreal. It came a time that Yahweh said no longer will you worship title and gave them a Name.
Just like you should do now after you have taken the time to talk to some you should say the samething.
Or just like when a child grow up. You tell that child You have a Name. Nolonger that child says my daddy name is daddy. That child would say my daddy is John.
Remember Yahweh just repeat and repeat. The manfeatation changes but the Princples remain the same.
But here a Scripture: Act 17 29-30 Being then Elohim’ s offspring, we ought not to think that the Deity is like gold, or silver, or stone, a representation by the art and imagination of man. The times of ignorance Yahweh overlooked, but now he commands all men everywhere to repent.
Yahweh saying here don’t think that idol or anything that you want to liken Yahweh to as of gold or silver or stone or anything that A man can think of.
But he said during that time that you thought your were worship him and you Wasn’t he. Yahweh just overlooked it. Or forgive you.
But, there comes a time Just has Moses did with a children of Israel: About the worship of idols back there in Egypt. You know that because that Golden Calf is a Egypt idols (Apis or Hapis it was a dull idol or deity) Exodus 32:26 “ Then Mosses stood in the gate of the camp and said, Who is on Yahweh side? Let him come unto me.”
Also, Remember that Yahweh has a timetable or Pattern in Operation and it doesn’t change. If the Name of Yahweh wasn’t give or held for a certain time that’s a Principle. So Yahweh doesn’t change. Those same Principles remain but the manifestation changes. So bring it up to Date that Same Principles (that we all do) Holding the Name until a certain period of time. And then we will says Now I have told you the Name of the Creator I said It is Yahweh (Father) Elohim (Word or Son) and Yahshua Messiah (Holy Spirit) And You declare it. And the Next time you talk to that person You will say, Yahweh this Yahweh that even though they may be saying Lord God or Jesus.
So I hope that helps.
February 5, 2009 at 7:35 pm |
I cannot believe it! I have spent about an hour and a half of my work time reading this blog (will probably spend another hour writing this response…ha, ha); and I must comment on how completely riveted I was throughout the process. This is the most interesting thing I have read all week. I do feel slightly terrible about wasting company time, but you would waste time too if you had to do category mapping.
I am not nearly educated enough to dispute history buffs and college graduates alike, so I won’t even try; but I will leave my opinion because you don’t have to have a degree to have one of those. Subsequently, as Ayana S. pointed out, opinions are like assholes; and since I have one, I’m going to share.
I have a fascination with the written word and languages, in particular, and from that perspective I base my opinion(s). One thing I know, for certain, is that there are so many things people write down that aren’t true. For instance, I can add anything I want to Wikipedia and instantly create a “fact.” The idea that recorded history is fact is quite funny. Unfortunately, what most people fail to understand is that all writing is opinionated, and all history is written from the perspective of the writer. Just because someone recorded something and claimed that it was true, doesn’t mean that it is true. Even if what was recorded did happen, the person who wrote it can only write about it according to what they witnessed. In effect then, we see where recorded history is contradictive in nature.
As an example, when there is an automobile accident where there are several witnesses, they all go on record seeing vastly different things. One eye witness may say the car was red, and the other that the car was blue. Who are we to believe? The only way we could know for sure is if we hunted the car down and looked at it for ourselves. But what if we couldn’t find the car or what if the owner repainted the car? That lends itself to all kinds of discussions, which I will not get into here.
And as an added bonus to all the arguments in this forum: psychological studies of human nature show that once a person is taught what they are told is a fact, they will go on to believe that bit of information the rest of their lives regardless to any proof otherwise. Thus, if a child learns from his teacher at school that the source of the Nile is in Argentina, they will argue this fact even in the face of a proper map. There is a saying that you can’t teach an old dog new tricks, which really means that people are stubborn and un-teachable (especially once they get past a certain age).
The point is we could argue until we are each blue in the face; but even with what we think is undeniable fact, a person will not be swayed without some form of Supernatural assistance. And that is also quite funny because a person is more apt to believe some weird unexplainable event than actual scientific fact, if you will. So if we were to take away all of recorded history (alpha, numeric, pictorial, oral, and the like), how would we know the truth?
If there is some higher, supreme being, He (Her?) would have made it much easier for us to know Him (and/or Her) without so much fuss. There are many different races, social structures, styles of education, and intelligence levels in this world, and it is my opinion that said Higher Being would have to be able to reach each and every one of them regardless to the language barriers, associated opinions, and intellectual/educational level(s)–that is if He wants for us to know Him. You may disagree, but simplicity is always best.
The simple question for me is this: what do I know in my heart to be true? Listen to your heart, listen to that innate, primal instinct and you will hear the truth. Read all the books in the world if you must, but the only thing that it will get you is a good knowledge of everyone’s opinion and blindness (I believe it was recorded that John Milton, author of Paradise Lost, attempted this very thing and failed because his eyes failed him).
The simple answer for me, with or without proof, is that I believe Dr. Kinley and know His word is true; and what is more, I believe Dr. Harris and know that he is communicating to us what Elohim (or Dr. Kinley) is revealing in him. I don’t need numbers about the end of the age, I don’t need the bible or any other historical document, I don’t need an education, I don’t need scientific facts, and I don’t even need to see it with my own two eyes. All I have ever needed was always right within me and I believe it; and if that makes me stupid or crazy, then I’m the happiest, most content crazy idiot that ever lived.
February 5, 2009 at 9:39 pm |
Kered ask:
have you EDRINA set foot in any of our class teachings? No I think not.
My knowledge and Understand about my Creator before I came to the Understanding of Yahweh was limit. Or that I myself only belief that there Could Only be One Supreme being. I study Ancient Egypt more than 20 years of my on lifetime. I start around the 5th graded because I live in a Multi-culture neighbor. During the Holydays I had to sing Jewish song and Africa dance and Native American and also Asia went to the Same School.
Now I have physical Christian-Muslim background with Native American grandparents. Now My grandfather would always Question the Christian-Muslim belief. Because He said, that Native American has always worships the One Creator. He said, they would sing song and Praise him.
Now there is no written history that records this because Native-American Culture would recite or repeat it from generation to generation. They Sang the songs way before the first White person land here and said that they have discover a New land.
When I was in the 5th grade I teacher Spark my interest in Africa History. From that time on I started research in physical book because computer were not around then as you have now. So you had to go to real Library. And handle real books.
By the time I was 17 I draw thought and dream of being one of those Archeologist I even went College and major in Africa History.
Now one thing start to question me If why would there be a change a quick change in there History from Father to Son then after the Son death he was erase.
Now I my belief was surround by only One of the Ancient Pharoah in Egypt Pharoah Akhenaton ( and he belief in Aten and Aten is not the Same as Ammon Amen Amen-Ra or another. Because, remember why would need to change your father god if he was already here. Why would his name be erase if he belief in the same as the others before him.)
In those book which are still around talk about Egypt History as what they thought is was because They Physical-Archealogical-Biological Weren’t sure. And there aren’t Sure today all date are assume. It very easy to See that because, there Archealogical History digs. And there is Archealogical Historical History. There is a different in the two Now Historical History are Written document that has a date period state on and It must have verify evidence that correspond to other. The date would not have estimate dates before 5000 bc. Is is estimate of evidence The Truth evidence began with stamp date that can be verify with another one Historical History. (Now that something that you have to do some reseach to understand the different in Historical evidence History, and finding of Archealogical History dig)
Now it come to this for Me because you said, plus lisa that you guys were finish blog about this topic. But here you go again. With that A Man worship the Sun god Ra.
Kered it comes appoint in a conversation that you say to a person that Your just wrong About Your Creator. I have been there were you are at and have done that.
But I grew up and put away those Childish ways of Worship.
Now I am going to keep this simple so that you can understand if you have to Worship a thing a item a it. Your not worship the Creator. Which is One.
Your worship what the Creator made.
Now there cannot be many trues in a story. There can be Only One Truth.
So there cannot be many gods that You have to give praises to when there is One Creator.
It doesn’t matter what color you are what nationality you are if you’re a man or woman.
There can be but One Creator. On this earth Woman and Man each Woman and each have a Name.
They don’t walk around call themselves different Names at different times of the Day or when a New Moon comes up or a different day of the month comes in.
We just don’t that. Because, it would be foolish.
And I want you to point OUT and each blog which I said was Wrong about the practice of Kemetism show Me were I am in Error.
So you can get that out of you mind to think that I don’t Know about Ancient Egypt.
February 5, 2009 at 10:37 pm |
Shanna Banana (last paragraph):
How is you belief in Dr. Kinley/Dr.Harris different from Roman Catholics believing in Pope?
February 6, 2009 at 1:40 am |
“And I’ll tell you something else. I don’t appreciate you agreeing with me unless you understand what I’m talking about! Earnestly contend for the thing that you believe until you are convinced that it is wrong or you know that it is. Stand up; be counted. That’s the way I taught this school. We don’t want no “Yes Folks.” We want you to come to a profound knowledge of it, a reality, make sure it’s right! ..We’re not trying to tell you something that can’t be proved. …We want you to know this for yourself! We want you to understand Yahweh’s purpose. Now here’s the, here’s one of the problems: IT IS THE SIMPLICITY OF IT THAT DECEIVES AND FOOLS THE FOLKS. IT’S THE SIMPLICITY THAT FOOLS ‘EM.”
Dr. Kinley APRIL 1970 – PRAYER & BOOK OF LIFE
February 6, 2009 at 3:02 pm |
Shanna Banana Says: The simple answer for me, with or without proof, is that I believe Dr. Kinley and know His word is true; and what is more, I believe Dr. Harris and know that he is communicating to us what Elohim (or Dr. Kinley) is revealing in him. I hate to break to you, but Dr.Kinley is not Elohim. PLEASE READ THE TRANSCRIPTS ON FALSE PROPHETS.You say you believe in everything Dr Kinley said then PLEASE READ THE TRANSCRIPTS.Dr Kinley says: I do want you to know THAT I AM NOT THE SAVIOR. You understand? You see what I mean? I want you to know if I was hung on a tree out yonder it wouldn’t affect your salvation none at all, it’d just be another dead man that’s all. If I was taken before a firing squad and shot to death, just be another man dead. See what I mean? And your salvation doesn’t hinge upon it at all. You see what I mean? And the same would go for Paul and Peter. As Paul said there in the Corinthians: “Who is Paul? Who is Peter? Who is Apollos? Was Paul crucified for you?” See they’re just ministers by whom you believe. You see? Now here I am down here in the end of this age, now if I preach anything different to you, and teach you anything different than did Messiah and the Apostles, (see there’s no way to go them one better), You understand. I’m a liar, and I want you to know that see. Now we’re after the reality down here and I’m not down here to preach to you Henry C. Kinley cause Henry C. Kinley don’t amount to nothing, and neither does Bahaullah, AND NEITHER DO YOU WHOEVER YOU ARE, it don’t make no difference. It don’t make no… No flesh got no right to boast in His presence.
February 6, 2009 at 7:35 pm |
As an answer to Live2blive’s question (How is your belief in Dr. Kinley/Harris different from Roman Catholics believing in the Pope?):
The Roman Catholics believe that the Pope is the vicar or representative of God on earth (the middle man, if you would like), whereas I know that Dr. Kinley is God and that as God speaks to Dr. Harris, he does so in me. Dr. Harris is not God’s representative because God doesn’t need one; I believe him because he says what I hear, feel, and know for myself.
Finally, in response to both Live2blive’s and Ralph’s comments:
Think about what it would take for you to believe that Elohim came down one last time in the body of a black man who many think is crazy. What would it take for you to believe that Dr. Kinley is God? I imagine that it would take more than a scripture to prove that to you. In fact, I’m sure it would take more than a transcript quoted to you, more than some man named Dr. Harris telling you, and more than a group of people telling you that it was so. You probably would have to have the most amazing experience you had ever had in your entire life to truly convince you it was so. The experience would be so amazing that you probably wouldn’t be able to explain it to anyone so that they could believe you, and more importantly, you wouldn’t be able to prove to anyone that it had occurred.
Now with that in mind, if you were finally convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that Dr. Kinley is God; who could ever take that from you? There would be nothing in this world that could take what you know to be true from you. I tell you this so that you understand fully that no transcript (which I have already read) and no voice recording (which I have already heard) can ever unconvince what has been thoroughly proven to me. I did write with or without proof, but that didn’t mean that I didn’t have any proof.
I can’t argue with you because of what you see, but neither can you ever persuade me otherwise. I am a witness to the one true Elohim; and all I can tell you (all that I ever will be able to say) is that he showed himself in me and I know him for who he is. I am grateful and honored that I can say as John said:
“That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;) That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Yahshua the Messiah. And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.”
1 John 1:1-4
I thank you both for your comments.
February 6, 2009 at 8:34 pm |
The reason why I will not visit the IDMR again is simple. Shanna Banana believe Dr. Kinley is God in the Flesh.
Watch out. Every man that said he was God in the flesh ended up leading his followers to suicide.
February 6, 2009 at 10:47 pm |
To Shanna Banana, of whom i enjoyed your posts, i have a question. Are students of idmr encouraged away from exchanges in conversation with non members of idmr as this web page produces? I told someone i didnt think that was true and they told me to ask somebody.
I believe the power of the founders vision should have no boundaries and doesnt but i wasnt sure on the position of the school.
Thank you
February 6, 2009 at 11:35 pm |
For the Sons of Yahweh our Elohim though Yahshua our Savior.
First, I want to say this Because, We must remember that were We stand right Now by the pattern. Now we know that the Tabernacle Pattern is the Pattern of Yahweh or it explain the Operation and the Function of the Creator. We, Know that that Pattern is 3-fold and everything must GO by or Operate by the Patten.
Now According to the Pattern We the Sons of Yahweh have been draw out of the Spiritual Egypt or that Darkness and we are now in the Wilderness of Sinai, which is the most Holy Place. Now we are just waiting to cross on over. But in the mean while a lot of things occur during the time the Children of Israel came out into Wilderness of Sinai.
Again remember Yahweh just over turn and over turns, or just repeat and repeat. We, say that manifestation changes but the principles remains the same.
So, this goes back to the Story of Moses, Now Yahweh told Moses and the 73 elders to come to the Mt but Moses and alone shall come up all the way up Mt Sinai. Then Moses tells them the Aaron and the 72 Elders to wait until his return.
He didn’t tell them boys to leave the Mt he said to wait. We Know that Aaron and the 72 Elders SAW the Elohim of there Father and that they did eat and drink While they were waiting with Moses. But now this is were the problem came in they the Elders said, Aaron we don’t Know what has happen to this Moses (because to them Moses delay his coming down).
So, the Elders started putting in their thoughts about a thing right even before they even made the golden Calf. Right there they the elders began to show there disobedient to Yahweh.
Just like Now them boys out there trying to change what Dr. Kinley said, They now have there imagination about What Dr. Kinley said. Instead of listen to his own words or writing or even what Yahweh said in the bible. They go about and to setup there on righteous.
Yes indeed Dr. Kinley said that he is Yahweh but so are You and the dog to. Because we all Spirit Materialize. The only thing different in Dr. Kinley is that he was aware of it and not sleeps. Now the Sons of Yahweh must become aware and stop sleeping and know that Yahweh is in Us. The Moderation states: We have this Cloud draw all around the inches of this Chart to Show you that EVERYTHING within the Cloud abide within the Pure Spirit of Yahweh and that Nothing escape.
Like Yahshua said to the father He in me I in he and them in me. (Or versa versa)
To stay on the story of Moses which I have already blog about Now Yahweh said to leave Aaron thy brother in charge of the children of Israel let them go to Aaron while he was in the Mt.
Let bring it up to date Who is Charge Now them Boys out there. Now they ain’t doing nothing wrong in the Purpose of Yahweh we must come to understand that. See Yahshua ain’t lose none of his Son to the Son of unrighteous.
But anyway Aaron whom is left in charge the people say make Us god, which shall go before us, So Aaron did what to people wanted EVEN though Aaron told them but on tomorrow we will worship Yahweh.
Now the Children of Israel breaks off their golden Earrings, which was in there ears.
They Aaron fashioned it with a graving tool after he had made it a molten calf: they said this will be the god that brought them out of that Darkness or Egypt.
Bring this up to Date: There is a person in Charge of the IDMR now some of people got tried of Hearing the word of Yahweh (the blood water and Spirit) and ask him the same thing or said the same thought of the Children of Israel, just took off there Earring of GOLD or there Hearing of Gold and gave it to another gold idol or to there imagination. Because they gotta see some thing physical.
Or another way to say they Never belief in the first place what Yahweh said the he is Spirit and You MUST Worship him in Spirit and in Truth.
Mathew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken by Daniel the prophet, stand in the HOLY PLACE, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
Now in the Holy Place There was the GOLDEN LAMP STAND, which means Light, understanding and Life, there was the SHREW BREAD, which means you are nourish and or substance, also there was ALTAR of INCENSE, plus the Priest which was in there to which We Knew whom the High Priest is Yahshua So he is the Mediator or Intercessor on Our behalf.
So, Stand in Yahshua, Not Dr. Kinley or Dr. Harris or Your Own self.
There is But ONE NAME That we can Be SAVE IN and Not NO Other and It was not Dr. Kinley or Dr. Harris Not even Myself whom got on that Cross and died for My SOUL.
It was the Only SAVIOUR YAHSHUA…
February 7, 2009 at 12:15 am |
Edrina, what does it mean they saw, and they did not eat or drink? What is meant by that, then and now? There are those that dont see nothin at all, then there are those that see and dont eat and drink, then last and definatley not least, there are those that see, eat and drink.
What is meant by seeing and NOT eating or drinking?
Thank you
February 7, 2009 at 12:43 am |
Ronnie: “Every man that said he was God in the flesh ended up leading his followers to suicide.”
There is much truth to this. However, Dr. Kinley did not say he was God in the flesh different from other believers. Some IDMR students say that about him. Please read the fragments from Dr Kinley transcripts (posted above) where he plainly stated that he was not the Messiah, and that he did not appreciate people blindly agreeing with him without the witnesses.
Paul said, “I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I that live, but Christ lives in me” (Galatians 2:20). If Yahshua (Christ) lived in Paul, can we say that Paul was God ? Or should we say that Paul was not God, but He who lived in Paul was God? Is it different with Dr. Kinley or any person with the Holy Spirit? According to Dr KInley’s words, he was not different from other believers; the only difference was that after receiving the Revelation he knew who he was, and we would be gradually made aware of who we are also.
I remember the day when the Mormons visited me. I asked, “How do you know that your religion is true?” They told me, “Pray over the Book of Mormons, listen to your heart, and the Holy Spirit in you will reveal to you that this book is true”. These people are CONVINCED, based on the personal metaphysical experience (prayer), that Joseph Smith is a true prophet. The arguments won’t do anything. Shanna Banana is similarly convinced, based on the experience, that Dr Kinley is God. Don’t get me wrong: the experience can be very important, but it is not enough. Yahweh, Yahshua the Messiah, Isaiah, Paul, Dr Kinley were always against blind faith (not supported by the Law and Prophet’s in the Bible, which are Yahweh’s witnesses). One can be convinced that Dr Kinley or Dr Harris is God or from God, but even if this is the case, we should remember that if people don’t care about the truth “God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie” (2 Thessalonians 2:10,11)
Ronnie, please don’t come again to IDMR classes where Dr. Kinley is worshiped and the True Gospel of Yahshua the Messiah saving the soul is not preached. But do consider coming to class where the original teaching of Dr Kinley is taught, explaining the Bible with witnesses and in simplicity.
February 7, 2009 at 1:13 am |
Thorpe Says:
Edrina, what does it mean they saw, and they did not eat or drink? What is meant by that, then and now?
Edrina blog said: February 6, 2009 at 11:35 pm
1.He didn’t tell them boys to leave the Mt he said to wait. We Know that Aaron and the 72 Elders SAW the Elohim of there Father and that they did eat and drink While they were waiting with Moses. But now this is were the problem came in they the Elders said, Aaron we don’t Know what has happen to this Moses (because to them Moses delay his coming down).
Edrina answer: The Aaron and the 72 Elders of Isreal Saw and DID EAT and Drink with the Elohim of Isreal.
Which means that Yahweh gave them a Vision of Yahweh Elohim but Because they lower down the Mt and wasn’t Higher or elevate up on the Mt did not receive the Understanding of the Vision.
Remember the Pattern has a Most Holy Place thats were Moses was on the Mt Sinai, or it Corresponds to the Most Holy Place Highest on the Mt or he is on the Very Top.
Now Aarron and his two Son which are Levi which are the High Priest was in the Holy Place or in the Middle of the Mt.
And the 70 Elders were are the bottom or in the Court round about or Outer Court.
Now You must be ELEVATE in your understand to receive the Relevation of the vision which Yahweh gives you. Or for Yahweh to reveal the understand of the relevation unto Us.
So, that is One of the reason why they made the GOLDEN Calf, because they just did not understand what they saw.
You can have eyes and because you think that the Creator worship Physically you have eyes that cannot see.
It goes the same way for your ears You have ear and can not hear. Because you still thinking that you have to do something physical to worship the Creator.
Now when you TURN side Your thought of what you think Just as Moses did Yahweh calls you by Your Name and then You and I will have Ear that see and EYEs that hear.
Now doesn’t mean that will wont still error in are understanding. Because, I Yahshua said, He is the Holy Spirit and he will bring all thing back to are remembrance.
It all Spiritual because Yahweh is Spirit and It against the will of Yahweh to Worship anyother way. Its though a Knowledge and Understanding of that Pattern. If you Know that pattern and put everything what a person says on that pattern and make sure that its in the law and prophet you will not error in Are Understanding of Whats going on now.
In class or out of class.
I hope that Helps.
February 7, 2009 at 2:15 pm |
Edrina,
Thanks, i think that you kinda summed it up when you said that they built a golden calf because they didnt understand what they saw. They saw but didnt understand which is lukewarm or a little better than not seeing at all.
Now this is a closed party (smile) cause the gentiles (heathen, contrast, all other races of flesh) are not invited. I mean they do exist and they do get love but according to Yahwehs purpose, they dont get to see and know the
creator of heaven and earth as he really is… untill later on.
Sounds cold and doesnt seem fair. Now the same thing is repeated within the camp, just on a higher level of awareness, meaning those that see and dont eat and drink and those that see and do eat and drink within isreal of that day. Today would be those in idmr that see the founders vision, but have no revelation or a misunderstanding of what they see and those that truly have the vision and the revealation of the vision.
Kinda like if they have the revelation of the vision they wouldnt be building no golden calf…within idmr. Now my question ;
Is there a calf being built in principle within the school? Modern day isreal (idmr) is showing a split and yet, even this is according to a divine pattern, therefore observable.
Whats being built because of lack ?
Anybody
February 7, 2009 at 3:51 pm |
Thorpe Says: February 7, 2009 at 2:15 pm
Now my question ;Is there a calf being built in principle within the school? Modern day isreal (idmr) is showing a split and yet, even this is according to a divine pattern, therefore observable.
Whats being built because of lack ?
Edrina answer:
Yes there is a Golden Calf that has already been built. Now We talking about principles or the Spiritual realtity of what the Golden Calf was and is. (No understanding)
Even though Aaron fashion that Golden Calf It was the stiffneck or hardhead Children of Isreal that desire it. Because, Aaron Himself said but on Tomorrow We, will Worship Yahweh.
So, it wasn’t Aaron desire or He was doing what he was told to do. Or playing a role. Or another way to say the Wilderness of Sinai was a Proving Ground or a Testing Ground for the Children of Isreal. Which is the Holy Place on the Tabernacle Pattern.
So, if right now we are in the Holy Place Spiritual and Physical because all we are doing right at this very moment is being test or Proven to see what we know of the Creator.
Do we believe that Yahweh brought us out of death hell and the grave which Egypt is that dark place. And given us the Understand or the reality of Him.
Now if you believe though faith because faith is the Substance (ASSURANCE) of things hoped for the EVIDENCE ( a conviction) of things not seen.
Here example now No Man has seen Yahweh at anytime but there is Assurance or Yahweh has given us Evidence that proves or conviction us though the Evidence Or Yahweh has given us Evidence of himself that he is true Yahweh Elohim and Yahshua the Messiah.
So the evidence which Yahweh has left in the earth plane gives us faith. So, that we will not have to have blind faith.
That why when you read Fore NOW therefore is No more condemnation to them are in Yahshua Messiah who walk not after the Flesh ( the physical), but after the Spirit or the reality of the thing.
Because the law of the Spirit of life in Yahshua hath made me or Us Free for the law of sin and death. From death hell and the grave or Egypt that dark place.
Now when you begin to see or to understand the reality of thing or the Spiritual meaning of it No longer do you do the things of the flesh or physical. You only be after the Spiritual mean of all things.
See you wouldnt be like the children of Isreal hardhead or stiffneck or sometimes carnally minded of the flesh which physical.
Because they THOUGHT the Children of Isreal they were lacking.
But look while they were in the Wilderness of Sinai those 40 years, Yahweh rain down bread from Heaven, they had meat, they were provider for so the didn’t even lack physically so.
So in Reality there isnt anything being built because there is no lack of anything.
It just in there children of Isreal or Ours Carnal minded that we think there is a lacking.
Also, you Look at like this to the lack of hearing the True gospel that cause a Spiritual Hunger. But still there Yahweh has left away around that to See, Right Now if You can’t find a good Class to go to Yahweh has set up away though different people so that you can hear the True gospel.
Because, You gonna hear the Gospel or preach the Gospel from someone to even Hear it.
You know whom isn’t telling you the truth when that cann’t show you on that pattern or by the book. Or say or Carnally Mind when you ask a question just to get you off the question.
So, Yahweh give us the bible, Show Dr.kinley were We were in error though the Elohim books.
Read everything You can find about what he said about the thing and also, examine what he said by look at that pattern and if he said the body goes by the pattern you check that out by looking at what other research have written.
Like my Natural fathers says to me if you want to Know something its simple there are to many books in the earth that proves something.
So, there in other words there just so much out there that proves that Yahweh is the only True Elohim and Yahshua Messiah who he sent.
Love peace and joy to the sons of Yahshua.
February 7, 2009 at 8:36 pm |
Thanks Edrina, cause i kept sayin that they didnt eat and drink and its that he laid not his hand. Talkin about those elders and Aaron around the mount. I was right that they were lacking but i wasnt feeding them. So Yah is feeding all who see but he laid not his hand on those elders or didnt give them no understanding of what they saw.
So i guess there are those who embrace Dr Kinleys vision and are eating and drinking, whom he has not laid his hand. So all of isreal is not of isreal or is real.
Thats why i love to be corrected cause it makes me focus on that.
Thanks
February 7, 2009 at 10:08 pm |
Thorpe: Very good points. Here are other examples of the pattern of coming to understanding of Yahweh, as Edrina brought out, or soul’s salvation. I’ll be happy to provide more examples, if interested.
The process of salvation or being born again is going according to the tabernacle pattern and is witnessed by the Law and Prophets as well as by the physical creation. It has 3 stages which are described below as court round about (CRA), holy place (HP) and most holy place (MHP), separated by the 2 veils. To understand spiritual birth, we have to go to the examples of births.
Example 1: Birth of physical man Adam (Genesis 2:7).
CRA: Dust of the ground (abstract, no shape and form, death)
FIRST VEIL: Yahweh-Elohim initiates shaping of the man’s body
HP: Taking on shape
SECOND VEIL: Yahweh-Elohim puts in the breath of life
MHP: Living soul, function, life
Example 2: Birth of Israel as a type of the spiritual body of Yahshua (Ezekiel 37:1-14)
CRA: Dry bones (abstract, no shape and form, death)
FIRST VEIL: Son of man prophesies – initiation
HP: Bones come together, sinews and flesh – taking on shape
SECOND VEIL: Breath of life comes within (Ezekiel 37:5, 10)
MHP: The nation (“great army”) is born, function, life
Example 3: Spiritual birth in the parable about a sower (Matthew 13:3-23).
CRA: Ground without seed or soul without Yahshua (abstract, no shape and form, death)
FIRST VEIL: Germination or hearing and receiving the word (Matthew 13:20)
HP: Growth of a plant or growth of the soul in knowledge of Yahweh
SECOND VEIL: Coming to fruition or understanding the word of Yahweh (Matthew 13:23)
MHP: Spiritual birth, bringing forth fruits
Example 4: Natural example of the birth of a baby.
CRA: Sperm and egg are not yet joined (abstract, no shape and form, death)
FIRST VEIL: Conception
HP: Taking on shape in the womb
SECOND VEIL: Breath of life
MHP: Born in the physical world, function
Summary: Being born again
CRA: Spiritual death, no knowledge of Yahweh
FIRST VEIL: Gospel is preached, receiving the Vision or True Gospel (Yahshua working from outside)
HP: Growth in knowledge of Yahweh, class
SECOND VEIL: Revelation or understanding of spiritual truth (Yahshua working within)
MHP: Born again. Spiritual life. Sealed with Holy Spirit. Translated into the Kingdom of Yahshua. Bearing fruits of the Spirit. Preaching the Gospel: planting and watering the seed (word) of Yahweh (1 Corinthians 3:6).
Based on this pattern, we understand that there were different groups of people in the congregations in the beginning of the age as in IDMR classes today. There were people who were sealed with the Holy Spirit, like Paul after receiving revelation (Ephesians 1:13), and there were people who had “gladly received the truth” (saw the vision, or heard the Gospel and did not reject it) but did not have Holy Spirit yet (had no revelation), or were still carnal (1 Corinthians 3:1-3). Some are sealed in the Holy Spirit or MHP (Ephesians 1:13), but some can be aborted from a “spiritual womb” (HP) or swayed from the Truth (Matthew 13:20-22), if they don’t “keep in memory” the simplicity of the Gospel (1 Corinthians 15:2).
February 8, 2009 at 3:56 pm |
Well, the energy level seems to have slowed and i can imagine those not agreeing with Dr Kinleys vision wouldnt hang in the presence of fire. There are no biological or organic manifestations on earth that enter and exit fire. Sounds crazy but just happens to be a scientific fact that fire consumes and one of YHWH’s attributes is that of a consuming fire, both naturally and spiritually.
We are truly surrounded and enclosed within a cloud of witnesses, including our/their bodies and minds. As ministers of fire we consume the whole world to the extent of a new earth state….absolutley awesome!
Thanks Father, just Thanks
Thorpe
February 8, 2009 at 6:19 pm |
I am a new Dr.Kinley’s teaching ,and have been reading the Manuscripts,Audio,Video’s of this teaching.I attended two separate classes but they teach the new doctrine and I walked out.It seems like this new doctine is spreading like a cancer.It seems like the people who profess the True Gospel are the ones providing the information via internet,in which I am grateful for.Why aren’t the people who beleive in this new doctine making thier case ,and providing the facts.It feels like they are hiding something,and don’t have permission from IDMR to do so.
February 9, 2009 at 12:14 am |
Kyle here are some words from Dr.Kinley on why. this is from a transcript:Last Lecture & Importance Coming to School and Being Obedient
DR. KINLEY: We ought to pay strict attention to the things that you hear, lest at any time we let ‘em slip, and then comes a root of bitterness. That’s in there too. Up above there. Now, a root of bitterness springing up. Now somebody will come along after coming to this school, I’m gonna call your attention to it, after hearing these charts explained, primarily raised in this school, been around here a long, long time, come up out of the clear blue sky and say things against that which you have been taught. Now if you hadn’t learned your lesson, you’d be carried away with it. Well I’m gonna tell you this. You’re not gonna get away with it. You’re not gonna get away with it.
Now that brings me to say one other thing before we have Dr. Harris read, and that’s this. Now it was said that you’d have to get away from blood, water and spirit. Come up off it: blood, water and spirit. Now I just wanna show you how little the person understood about that, that made the remark that you’re gonna have to get up off of it; in other words, they meant that you’re gonna have to go on further than that, than blood, water and spirit. First let’s see what’s spirit. The third chapter of II Corinthians, I believe, the 17th verse.
DR. ROBERT HARRIS: Now Yahweh is spirit…
DR. KINLEY: Now if you gonna get up off of that? Do you see that now? They say that’s what you’re gonna do. For Yahweh is spirit. Alright, what else?
DR. ROBERT HARRIS: And where the spirit of Yahweh is…
DR. KINLEY: And where the spirit of Yahweh is…
DR. ROBERT HARRIS: there is liberty
DR. KINLEY: There is freedom. There is liberty. You’re gonna have to get up off blood, water, spirit. Now you see, you see what you’re getting off of? Can you see how stupid the statement was? Now I’ve read it, I read it out of the Book. Right? Yahweh, not a spirit, but is spirit. That means that He’s the source, He’s substance, He’s the essence, He’s the limits, He’s the bounds of everything, conceivable and inconceivable: every known and unknown object and thing in the universe.
Now people will say things like that for self gratification or try to teach you deep, carry you on down into the depths of things. That’s what they call themselves doing. Not realizing that what you’re doing, you’re, making a mess out of it. Now the thing to do in this school is this, to make things as simple as possible.
Now I used to.., Dr. Gross can tell you, if you didn’t have an education, although I never went to, no further in school than the sixth grade of elementary school, if you were not educated and I mean really educated too, you wouldn’t know anything at all about what I’m talking about. Everything I said was scientific, highly academic. And they used to say to me, Dr. Gross and Dr. Harris and others, when this school was in its inception, they would say this, say, ‘You just open the door a little bit so we can get our foot in.’
Now what they meant was that I’d use words that they didn’t understand. They had dictionaries, unabridged dictionaries. They’d go to the dictionary. So they’d ask me to use.., they didn’t want their school, the Institute of Divine Metaphysical Research, to be second to none. Now they really wanted a real education. So when I used those words and all, they said, ‘Well Doc, I tell you what I want you..,’ Brother Fred Allen was one of them, say, ‘well I want you to write something. We don’t have no writing. We have nothing but the Bible.’ I said, ‘Ok, I’ll write.’ So I wrote.
Listen now these things that I’m telling you about are important. You may not think so but they are, about 26 pages. And I explained these charts. And I brought it back to school, stood up before the class and read it. They began to look around at one another. Brother Bass was a very outspoken man. He said, ‘Doc we don’t understand what you’re talking about.’ Dr. Allen, you remember asking me.., am I, am I telling the truth about it Dr. Allen?
FRED ALLEN, SR.: That’s right.
February 9, 2009 at 5:59 pm |
Today is 33 years from Dr Kinleys demise. Significant or not we in the flesh continue to rightly divide using a tool which is divine because it is not made with mans hands. That is how the operation of this formula is different from the concepts of stone idols and other spiritual theories.
The founder steered us to the history of a people that he (the bibles god) said was the apple of his eye. He steered us and we exist in what seems to be chaos, but that doesnt contaminate the vision which is divine and is love in its maximum manifestation. For God so Loved the world that he gave…! He gave thru Dr Kinley and we receive in love.
Kyle, i think that you make a good point and when you ask why one side seems to be more open than the other, within the school. Which has absolutley nothing to do with the contaminating vision, yet, is operating according to the vision as they will be first to claim. You said that you feel that one side does not have permission to engage, which is love and love is accepting, understanding and tolerating one another. Yep, it seems that they are held back online or are not free to love, exercising that liberty that….He gave.
February 10, 2009 at 5:51 pm |
Live2blive said on February 7, 2009 at 10:08 pm
Example 4: Natural example of the birth of a baby.
CRA: Sperm and egg are not yet joined (abstract, no shape and form, death)
FIRST VEIL: Conception
HP: Taking on shape in the womb
SECOND VEIL: Breath of life
MHP: Born in the physical world, function
Summary: Being born again
Question could you explain why is the Natural example of the birth of a baby start from Court Round About?
Because, Yahweh was first is ABSTRACT which would be the Most Holy Place, Than when Yahweh breaks himself down or takes on a Shape and form as Elohim that is IMMEDIATE State or in the Holy Place or the womb which you have already stated. But When Yahweh-Elohim comes in the Flesh as Yahshua the Messiah that CONCRETE.
Remember the Sperm and the egg are abstract, no shape no form, Or Yahweh in his Pure Spirit State is at peace, rest or that his Natural State. So when he moves out of that Pure Spirit State that was a type of Death. (Or a type of a Coming down.)
And remember the lowest state for Yahweh is Physical or CONCRETE. I know there is the operation of Deceasing and Accessing or Coming down and Going up. In the Tabernacle Pattern.
Why ask that because I know Yahweh start from abstract took on the shape form which Elohim or immediate then step in the creation as Yahshua, which is concrete. But when Yahshua die on the Cross and resurrected a Spiritual Body he went back into the state of Elohim which immediate than from that state when back into his Pure Spirit State of Yahweh.
Which is show the Deceasing and Accessing operation of the Pattern or that Round Trip. Which the Children of Israel did. First Children of Israel start out in Canaan Land (Most Holy Place) went though the Wilderness of Sinai (Holy Place) then they end up in Egypt (Court Round About or Outer Court). That the Deceasing Order. Yahweh than came down as the Son of Nun Joshua (Yahshua) pull the out of Egypt (Concrete) took them back into the Wilderness of Sinai (Immediate) then Children Israel cross over the River Jordan and was in Canaan Land (Abstract).
That shows the round trip.
February 11, 2009 at 4:32 am |
“Question could you explain why is the Natural example of the birth of a baby start from Court Round About?”
Edrina, you are absolutely right with your understanding and examples of the operation of the pattern. However, there is no contradiction with the examples I was showing. The key is in the principle: what principle we are applying the pattern to. You are correctly applying the pattern to show the principle “abstract-intermediate-concrete”, reflecting Yahweh. I was applying the pattern to show a different principle: spiritual birth or passing from death to life.
Death (or non-existence) is in the court round about of the tabernacle (sin offerings and blood). The life principle is in the Most Holy Place (presence of Yahweh on the Mercy seat). Moving from CRA to MHP is moving from physical to spiritual (or from concrete to abstract) in your examples. However, if applied to our understanding of Yahweh, it is moving from abstract (no understanding) to intermediate (vision and growth in knowledge) and concrete (revelation).
To better understand it, spiritual birth is a mirror image of Yahweh coming in the flesh as Yahshua. Therefore, in my example with the physical birth, it is an upward pattern: passing from non-existence , through blood, water, spirit (parts of intercourse), 40 in the womb, and breath of life (as an example of revelation or our spiritual life in Yahshua being manifested at the Universal Revelation).
I hope it makes more sense now.
February 11, 2009 at 6:54 pm |
That a better way and now it makes more sense.
February 18, 2009 at 10:58 pm |
Do those who have Holy Spirit sin? We understand that Yahshua died to take away the sins of the world. So, the answer should be ?No?. However, the verses in the Bible appear to be contradictory.
On one hand John writes,?Whosoever is born of Yahweh doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of Yahweh? (I John 3:9).
On the other hand, earlier in this letter John writes, ?If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.? (I John 1:8-10). And again he writes, ?If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.? (I John 4:16-18).
Moreover, even though New Covenant is the Spiritual Covenant, Paul describes certain physical actions as being sin as well: ?Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.? (I Cor 6:18).
We know that a person with the Holy Spirit is not perfect and can make mistakes (take, for example, hypocrisy of Peter in Galatians 2:11-17). Are these mistakes sin? It appears that both kinds of sin, intentional and by ignorance (?mistake?) are called ?sin? in the Bible. If this is the case, can we simply say (without explaining what we mean) that we don?t sin while we still make mistakes or ?sin? according to the writings of Paul and John?
February 19, 2009 at 4:44 pm |
Mary
You pose the real questions of the uni-verse and i know that you know that no one letter sent to you over the internet is gonna solve this great mystery for you. You must start with a IDMR class somewhere. you have to get a basic understanding of Yahwehs language. Like i am just now in my life trying to learn spainish and by the end of the year i will be able to hold a conversation with you in spanish.
See that, right there, we caint really hold an intimate conversation until i learn your language. It is truly a love story that your father has planned for you and all of us but we must know him.
Apostle Paul said ‘i die daily’ and that is what will happen to a sincere heart that sits down in front of this vision and watch a spiritual transmutation in your heart and mind of how you look at the world and you. New heaven and new earth, but it is not all in one swipe. There are vessels on earth with this holy spirit that can answer each and every one of those questions, but you must have fertile soil. For example…
You mentioned that Paul said flee fornication, yet you mention that you know that the new covenet is spiritual. If you know that the new covenent is spiritual then keep it that way. Flee fornicating with the thought of physical fornication and realize that your true husband is spiritual and wishes to know you in spirit and truth. You say Paul said, and you missed what Paul said.
Remember how Barabus missed what the Messiah said? Messiah told nicodemus that he must be born again, and nic tried to reason with what he knew about, physical things. You must be born again to see, Mary, Go to idmr and at least see.
Beautiful questions…
February 19, 2009 at 8:41 pm |
mary Says:
February 18, 2009 at 10:58 pm
Do those who have Holy Spirit sin?
Edrina Answer:
The 1st thing We must find out what is the Holy Spirit. John 14:26 “But the Comforter, which the Holy Spirit, whom the Father (Yahweh) will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance whantsoever I have said unto you.” The Comforter has a Name which John is talking abut that Name is Yahshua and the Comforter is the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit is Yahshua.
Yahweh said, “John 3:17 – For Yahweh sent the Son into the world, not to condemn the world, but that the world might be saved through him. ”
Now the law was to point out that we needed a SAVIOR. ROMAN 7:7 “What shall we say then? Is the law Sin? Yahweh forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust [coveting], except the law had said, thou shalt not covet.”
If you read Roman chapter 7 then going in chapter 8
Roman 7:24-25 “O Wretched man that I am! Who shall deliver me form the body of this death? I thank Yahweh though Yahshua Messiah Our Savior. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of Yahweh; but with the flesh the law of sin.”
Roman 8:1-2″Therefore there is now NO Condemnation to them which are in Yahshua the Messiah, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.”
“For the law of the Spirit of life in Yahshua hath made me free for the law of sin and death.”
Once Yahshua death burial resurrection and out pouring of the Holy Spirit it usher Us into a New Age. Or Yahshua death took away Sin so there is NO sin. Because, thats why he died on the Cross-to take away sin.
I Cor. 15:1 MOREOVER, Now I would remind you, brethren, in what terms I preached to you the gospel, which you received, in which you stand, (2) by which you are saved, if you hold it fast–unless you believed in vain. (3 )For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, HOW that Yahshua died for our sins in accordance with the scriptures, (4)that he was buried, that he was rose again on the third day in accordance with the scriptures,
Yahshua, which is the Holy Spirit, is saving you form Sin. So if He is in You and he is the Holy Spirit So he has Saved You from Sin.
If you DONT believe that Yahshua died and was buried and resurrected in YOU Yes Your still in your Sins in death or still in no understanding, Or Not Having the Holy Spirit. Because you don’t believe that the Messiah came to take away sin.
Because WE all are going to be SAVE unto something Some of us are going to be SAVE Unto Eternal Life and others SAVE Unto Eternal Damnation.
I hope that Answer your question.
February 21, 2009 at 6:05 pm |
im a bit perplexed at how we can be involved in speaking of such a thing as eternel damnation…when it reads this is life eternal that we might know the creatotand it also reads all will know me from the least to the greatest and since all things are yahweh and since the law was a SCHOOLMASTER TO LEAD US TO THE MESSIAH WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS A JOURNEY BACK INTO IGNORANCE THAT SOME HAD JUST SO RECENTLY ESCAPED …COMMON SENSE ISNT COMMON
February 21, 2009 at 9:22 pm |
You have a soul Mark I have a soul. And that Soul is going to be in the Understanding of Yahweh Light or Not in the Understanding of Yahweh or in Darkness or Death Hell or the grave. Now See that time in Now to get that Understanding and to know the true or to come to understand Yahweh as he really is not the way we think he is.
People sit around and sugars coat everything and not want to accept the truth about the reality of anything. We accept Santa Claus the Easter Bunny, We had the Devil with a pitchfork and with a red tail and we accept it. But when a person comes alone and tell you your wrong and that that’s not the way that it is.
You said Who are You to say, “speaking of such a thing as eternel damnation”. See I trying to get you and me out of that way of thinking because, our minds must be enlighten. By that light of Yahshua the Messiah He Yahshua must be in You and in me so that OUR soul wouldnt be loss to that Eternal DAMNATION or that disconnection from the Creator.
So what was the purpose for Yahshua when he died on the cross for sin? If it wasn’t for us for ETERNAL LIFE. Now if there is Eternal Life there must be Eternal Damnation.
We speak about “Eternal Damantion” because it is a reality it is not fake it not make up. Its a True disconnection from your Creator.
Its not a place that I wish on No One, that’s why you speak on it and you talk about it and you don’t hide it. Because don’t wont no one to end up there not even some one whom you say you dislike.
If you have read this blog (entire) you can understand that Yahweh is Spirit and man is a Living Soul he said in Gen: 2:4 Yahweh Elohim formed man of the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Goes back to what I said before on this blog I not here to please or to agree with anyone one because I here to speak the truth or what I learn since come to class or What Yahweh has show me. Because, I have put it to the test and try it out and look it up and did not take no body word for it. But did my own research and not just a wee bit but a lot bit and still am doing research and studying.
So You Mark must do find out for your own Soul what is True (LIE) or Right (WRONG) to Speak on For Eternal Life (HEAVEN) or Eternal Damnation (HELL).
February 21, 2009 at 11:39 pm |
hell is a state of mind or ignorance of yahweh …it is impossible to be outside of yahweh but it is possible that we not recognize that he carried the whole load from the beginning .there is no power in darkness as a simple test of light on darkness will teach us there is such a thing as mental spiritual or emotional illness that we all must seek different ways through the spirit to overcme as part of our journey of discovery of the creator in us …some of us at any given time are in darkness some in the wilderness and some in the promised land on any subject in respect to the will of the cresator the creator has all power not a portion or 99 percent for him and one pecent an adversarry all power is yahwehs a line has been drawn that we need understand this as moses only watched from mt nebo we all can have eternal life now and later but we do need to experience what we do inso realizing death hell and the grave have been overcome by standing in the holy place within us all and learning from the schoolmaster that was that law .now we can start to begin to see the power of yahweh and the vastness of his creation peace be with you and good journey
February 22, 2009 at 1:54 am |
Mark says … hell is a state of mind or ignorance of yahweh …
Edrina responds..
But, see I was talking about death after your dead and gone. While You’re here on this Earth Yahweh gives you and I time his time to know Him Yahweh though his son Yahshua the Messiah as he really is so we are with out excuse. Yes hell can be a state a mind but yes hell is a place to.
The Chart on or Pattern or Plan of SALVATION
On this Chart the last plate Says YAHSHUA SECOND Coming Rev 6:17, For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall able to stand?
Yahshua The Messiah Went down to Hell and preach to those whom were in Hell if you did know an loose those whom believe in him by preaching of gospel 2 Peter 2:4 – For if Elohim did not spare the angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to pits of nether gloom to be kept until the judgment;
Matthew 10:28 – And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; rather fear HIM (Yahweh) who can destroy both soul and body in hell (Gehenna).
I guess that wasn’t state a mind to. We have a Physical body that going to die its going to past we have a Soul that going to live on that what I talking about that Soul that we have not the mind the Soul and the mind are to different things the Soul doesn’t changes the mind changes.
You can Heaven Right Now with the Understanding Of Yahshua the Messiah that can take you right on over. Because that what you need to You must have Yahshua in you in.
ON the Pattern and Plan of Salvation Chart there is a Lake of Fire (END) Every thing that has a beginning must have end or within Yahweh purpose there is end. But there is no end in Eternity or no end in Yahweh because HE is Eternity.
If Hell is only a state of mind No disconnection form your Creator there would be no need for a god at all.
If not a final destination why would anyone care about the Soul, which is not seen with the Human eye?
February 22, 2009 at 7:34 am |
well as dad used to say when in doubt follow your gut.now since what we have is a heavenly father wich does not posses love but is love and anytime you see love in any form you are witnessing the love of your father.this is not an earthly father constricted by the carnal mind who deals in petty thoughts of revenge and torture as dante the 8th century poet described in his vision of hell.being raisedd in class and having been fortunate to have known many of the old timers it becomes clear over time that many of the preconcieved notions about the creator as described by modern christianity and catholicism have found a way to sift back into life ,thereby taking away grace and replacing it once more with works .but as we all should well know by now that all our rightousness is as filthy rags and who knows the mind of yahweh save yahweh.for yahwehs love is not mans love and yahwehs justice is not mans justice .now that bible reads do not bring yahwehs name to naught…naught means nothingness .w e shouls also know it says the respect of yahweh is the beginning of uderstanding(proper translation)now seeing we have much respect …not fear you dont fear someone you love if you do its time to get out of that relationship.now we talk about every knee shall bow and all will know yahweh from the least to the greatest .now when you respect a king nobody has to force youto bow .you are proud of that king and you love him for taking care of you when you cant take care of yourself.when the time comes will will be happy to bow for we will all now the beauty of our creator and what he did for us when we couldnt see through that glass but then we will be face to face.i will not fear my creator he loves me as all of us are loved .for if i feared him i would not bow and i would not serve him but that is not the caseand i hope nobody should ever have to feel that way again that somehow are father would ever turn his back on any of us a way will always be found in this life and the next for the healing and the love and his many attributes to be a part of usthere is only one name in the book of life and the secret is we all have that name even the sick .we already won the war the movie has been finished the director has already done all the editing now we are watching the glory of yahweh working the work in this day.use our fathers eyes good journey
February 22, 2009 at 7:46 pm |
What happens to your soul when you physically die.There are some that claim that they can connect to the other side to talk to loved ones.Since the second coming has not happened yet what happens to ones soul if they die before that event happens.I recently had a close friend of mine that died unexpectly ,and have been pondering this question.
February 22, 2009 at 8:54 pm |
the messiah said lo i am with you always even to the end of the age the holy spirit the messiah in you never left.remember all things are possible there are many mansions in dads house and infinate possibilities of what we go on to learn
February 24, 2009 at 3:30 am |
Bob Ask: Since the second coming has not happened yet what happens to ones soul if they die before that event happens.
The Most important subject on this blog is Yahweh Our Elohim and Yahshua the Messiah whom Save Our Soul.
The Tabernacle Pattern Most Holy Place (Yahweh) Spirit, Holy Place (Elohim) Soul, Outer Court or Court Around About (Yahshua) Body
Yahweh, which is Spirit, took on shape a form as Elohim then as Yahweh Elohim came in a physical body as Yahshua Messiah.
Now that goes to the subject of what Bob has ask what happen to the Soul when the Physical body dies?
On the Chart on or Pattern of Plan of Salvation, which I refer to on, the blog in also has Yahshua Death Burial Resurrection Ascension on a Plate. On that Plate of Resurrection I am go to try to keep it simple.
Mat. 27:52-53 and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the sons, which slept, arose, and came out of the graves after his (Yahshua) resurrection, and went into the holy city and appeared unto many.
Sons Slept (Sleep) until Yahshua Resurrection or they were suspend for that time until Yahshua Resurrection because he is the first fruit.
Or you can look at like this Roman 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even, over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam’s transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
Death passed (reign) from Adam all the way down to Moses now even if you did not sin okay. Because Nobody was back there when Adam broke the law don’t touch don’t eat that tree olive back there.
So I have to start with Adam because Adam broke the law spiritual death right with in himself that disconnection that similitude that transgression of law and so Yahshua has to pick him up were he died at see he died at because Adam didn’t physically die until 930 year later but he did die in the DAY or short of 1000 years. 2 Peter 3:8 – But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one Day is with the Yahweh as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
So, what death is Yahweh talking about here that’s a spiritual death. Now to understand were he die at or were Yahshua is pick him up at Matthew 27:33 – And when they came to a place called Golgotha (which means the place of a skull), In Matthew Yahshua is preach out there in Golgotha the place of the skulls, Now Adam die in conscious or in his mind or his skull so Yahshua whom is Yahweh has pick him right back up there in your head or in your consciousness.
To show you by the pattern Yahshua is picking you up he not losing none of his sons. We must look at the Holy Place and what’s in it. In the Holy Place there is the Golden Altar Incense, 7 Branched Golden Lamp Stand, and Table of Shewbread.
Yahshua Said, “I am the light of the World” he said that because of the Seven Branch Lamp Stand it lit the Holy Place which was in the Holy Place and was fill with oil. The Oil represents Spirit. The High Priest would pure the oil into the 4 branch and it equally rise into to the other branches or picking up the one which where before init and the one that where after it or behind it. Or other words anyone that die before Yahshua death he pick them up and anyone that die after and them are rising at the same time. Just like the oil in that Lamp Stamp it Rise at the same time. Yahshua pick us up all at the same time. See Yahshua is the True Light or the Life or the Oil that the High Priest Had in the Wilderness of Sinai.
Now to understand what going on I have go by the pattern The Tabernacle Pattern in the Pattern you have the Most Holy Place, Holy Place, Outer Court or Court that went Around about. (One Tabernacle with 3 compartments.)
I Hope this Helps
February 26, 2009 at 12:09 pm |
Bob asks “what happens since the second coming has not happened yet” then he goes on to ask what happens to ones soul if they die before that event ?
Sir the second coming has and is happening now. You see you are stuck back in time at the cross, but the word is made flesh right now if you realize that everytime you understand a spiritual principle, you die and he resurrects, in you, victory over death hell and the grave. When you understand, by the pattern, which is him….thats him resurrecting first in you. Then when you apply him (the pattern) to those stories of the prophets, thats them getting out of the graves, by him in you, and living in you as he came in the volume of the book. He who passes before knowing, passes not knowing.
You are handling the word made flesh for you…now, not just some passage written in first chapter of John, in the so called New Testement. The real New Testement is before you….now. The real second coming is now….no need to wait. Well come !
Thorpe
February 26, 2009 at 7:19 pm |
thanks thorpe i like how you kept it short and sweet…we need to see that death burial resurection and ascencion in our own lives.the pattern of the tabernacle ,science,the moses treck are all just a neon sign to point out our messiah,cause we werent there 2000 years ago so when john in revalations is using that measuring rod or pattern and walking through the tabernacle “lo i heard the sound of many waters”the brazen laver…..hes being taught to use that pattern as a guide thats why when he gets to the end and says ” i saw no temple therein” hes expecting a pattern…..but “yahweh and the lamb are the temple thereof”…..good journey
February 26, 2009 at 11:08 pm |
Lecture given by Dr. Kinley in December 1968 in Los Angeles, California.
Transcript: Beverly Allen
I took this from the Transcript Life After Death (Yahweh is Spirit.)
Dr Kinley:
“All right now somebody is walking around talking about Life After Death. Now here is the imagination. See we imagine that you’re planted out there in the cemetery, and one of these days He’s gonna jump down out of the sky and dig up all them folks planted in the cemetery and make them alive; to them that’s what life after death is. That’s not the way it is. All right, you see but all that kind of thinking, a carnal mind is just shoved the people up into all these various different kinds of things, and got ‘em all split and divided up into sects, and cults, and creeds. And then on top of all of that somebody will jump up and say, John 4:24, “God is a spirit and seeketh such to worship Him in spirit and in truth.” Now he’s already said the thing; you read it out of the Bible! Ain’t nothing wrong with what you read out of the Bible, but what’s wrong is what you’ll make the Bible to mean to somebody is incorrect. He ain’t seeking nobody to serve Him in sacrifices and things like that, and the foot washing, and dragging around in the water or something another like that; He ain’t seeking nobody to do that! They were doing that before He come Wallace! Say, “Well God is a spirit.” Well what do you imagine a spirit to be? Well said “That’s God! God is spirit!” And he just run between one thing and the other, and just rocking and reeling, don’t know nothing about spirit, which is in terms, you don’t know nothing about God. Then they come along and tell you that man is made or created in the likeness and image of God. Now if you wanna see God look at the man. And they looked right at the man and missed him. That’s right, looked right at him and missed Him. Don’t tell me they didn’t do it; they done it back there they missed Him, sure did! Messiah said, “When you see me you see the Father.” Well then if that’s the case they hadn’t never seen Him yet! If they did they didn’t know Him, cause He said to Philip when he asked Him said, “Show us the Father that it might satisfied.” He said, “When you see me you see the Father.” Well they were looking right at Him but they didn’t see the Father. Then He said ” Philip, have I been all this time with you and you don’t know me?.” You see what I’m talking about? Now after death comes the judgment; now suppose I told you what that was. A carnal mind, see there’s no mystery in getting up preaching, teaching things like that, no mystery to it at all. Freddy, if it’s foot washing all I got to do is get me a pan of water and start washing your feet. Now there’s no mystery to that. 13th chapter of St. John, when Messiah after supper rose up, and gird Himself about the loins with a towel, and took a basin and begin to wash His disciples feet (you listen to what I’m telling you) and He said “Look you don’t know what I’m doing now!” Now you mean to tell me He’s standing up there and telling them you don’t know what He’s doing, and Peter said you… He’d seen Him wash the rest of ‘em’s feet, and he said, “You’ll never wash my feet.” Well he evidently knew what He was doing, washing his feet, but he didn’t know the meaning of it. And He told him if I don’t wash you, you’ll have no part with me.”
March 3, 2009 at 8:22 am |
i wanted to thank all of you who were on this blog.although i dont completly aggree with everything that was discussed i believe i got alot out of this .thanks and good journey
March 6, 2009 at 8:57 pm |
Ok i have to play devil’s advocate here, I’ve been diving alot into are the son and father two seperate entities or one whole entity as we learn at IDMR. So here are some passages im going to bounce off you guys and tell me what you think. Because what were learning at IDMR sounds like a bit like the Trinity, 3 seperate parts of the Elohim but one whole being:
But here are passage that people claim that there are two seperate enities:
St John 5:19 (Holy Name Book)
“Then answered Yahshua, and said unto them, Verily Verily i say unto you, The can do nothing of Himself, but what He seeth the Father do: for what things so-ever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.”
Acts 7:55-56 (Holy Name Book)
“But he, being FULL of the Holy Spirit, looked up steadfastly into heaven and saw the glory of Yahweh, and Yahshua standing on His right hand.
“And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of Man standing on the right hand of Yahweh.”
St John 16:27-28 (Holy Name Book)
“For the Father Himself loveth you, because ye have loved Me, and have believed that I came out from Him”
“I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.”
*So run with those and tell me what you think, these are some pretty powerful scriptures.
March 6, 2009 at 9:19 pm |
Also this is pretty good as well think about it:
1 Corinthians 15:24-28 (KJV)
24Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
28And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
March 8, 2009 at 5:38 pm |
well the way it was explained to me is we have ice ,water ,and steam,three seperate manifestations of the same thing.such as pure spirit ..yahweh….vision form …elohim… and physical …yahshua…good journey
March 9, 2009 at 2:38 am |
Deuteronomy6: 4 Hear, O Israel: Yahweh our Elohim is one Yahweh.
This Morning it is Raining were I live at and that reminds me of the Unity of the Spirit.
Yahshua has never said, that he was separate from the father. John 10: 30 I and my Father are one.
Yahweh is Elohim, Yahweh is Yahshua. Yahweh is the Almighty Savior.
March 9, 2009 at 2:43 am |
thank sam just for put that thought out there because some people do think that. They think we just change the Name and we are a church just them but they dont understand that were nothing like a church its a school…. with books
March 14, 2009 at 4:46 pm |
It is totally false that the IDMR believes that Yahshua only reserected in spirit. We believe the creator (who created flesh to start with) can pick up and dwell within a body anytime he choses. Get your facts straight before you blog about something that you haven’t thouroughly investigated. Also you need to look up the definition of a cult. Most “christian” religions fit into the definition
March 16, 2009 at 9:20 pm |
Thanks for the replies, but most people out there believe, they are two seperate entities and which plenty of scriptures as you all know, say that I and the Father are One, or when you see the father you see!!!
Here is another one for you guys, some say that the name Yahshua is wrong. As a matter of fact, it should be Yahushua??? Any takers? Yahushua was seen in Paleo Hebrew around the time when Yahshua (Yahushua) son of Nun was around. So i know for fact that Yahushua is suppose to be the most correct form than Yahshua in which some say its the shorten form.
So have at it…
March 17, 2009 at 5:48 pm |
Its really great to know there are many still in the faith. The only faith is being in Yahshua because that is what he is. Brethern, do keep in mind that these things must come to pass. The comments concerning IDMR, the people Yahweh have allowed to cme and experiance him and now turn there backs , all of that must come to pass and it is. So, doesnt it feel good to knw that Yahweh keeps his word? And when these words were said to us, they were spoker thru Dr. Kinley? Why not stay in the fight when you knw whose holding both gloves! Luv u in Yahshua. IDMR Dallas
March 18, 2009 at 5:06 pm |
That is a simple and at ease question to answer remember the Angel Gabriel appear unto Mary, gave her the Name Yahshua. Joseph and Mary did not Name Yahshua.
Math1: 20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Yahweh appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. 21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Yahshua: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Luke 126 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from Elohim unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,
Luke1: 30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with Elohim. 31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Yahshua.
The Angel gave Joseph and Mary Yahshua Name.
John 5:43 – I am come in my Father’s name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
When Yahweh says a thing he mean its so SHUA means Salvation or Save in Hebrew
Yahshua” means “Yah(weh) saves”. Commonly understood by the Hebrew people as being the true name of the man commonly called “Jesus Christ”.
Yah is the male or masculine part of is Name. So when Yahshua said, I come in my FATHER’S name HE did take his father Name Yah or came in the father male or using the masculine part of his name (Yah).
Another thing about a name to keep it simple you cannot TRANSLATE a Proper a Name.
Your name LIVES on doesn’t changes even in death it stays the same. Example King James of the of the Kings James bible has been dead and gone for 100’s years now his name is still King James his name has not change.
We have a SAVIOR his Name is YAHSHUA you can only be save in a NAME not NAME (S) with in s.
March 19, 2009 at 8:51 pm |
I have not been to class in a little over a year and I was trying to locate an email address for James and Beverly White of the Dayton, Ohio class. Does anyone have that information? We still do have the hope that Yahweh will bring us back to class. Even though we are living in Florida now we still miss our bretheren. Yahweh is the all in all and that’s all. We haven’t gone astray so to speak just not in class. Once you go and Yahshua gives you a little somethin somethin in your heart and mind there is no where else you can go to get that spiritual food that sustenance to sustain you through these last days.
March 20, 2009 at 8:04 pm |
so i was watching a dumb show about fallen angels and i googled it and it said lucifer was a babylonian king .so i googled lucifer babylonian king and i got some quite interesting results .just thought id share this .i will let you google it yourself
March 20, 2009 at 9:37 pm |
somebody was talkin about no christmas as it is one the wrong date and 2 a winter solstice holiday originally.my father before he became a dean had us kids quit the celabration of this holiday …..wich is quite devastating for kids .my mother talked to doc kinley and he said it was ok as long as you knew what it was etc….so there you are, we have celebrated it ever since
March 22, 2009 at 12:48 am |
Lori,
Where in Florida are you? Threr are good classes in Florida, for example in Tampa. If interested, write to yahshuan@gmail.com and I will send you a contact information.
March 24, 2009 at 8:30 pm |
In reading the original post I was extremely upset! To think that someone with such an obvious lack of knowledge on the subject could have such a one-sided view was absolutely insulting. Then I had to step back and see the bigger picture. This, and many other writings like it, are put out there because it’s needed. It’s needed to wake those of us who have been sleeping on the teachings and understanding, to jolt us into standing firm in what we have been shown and know to be true. Ignorance was put into this world for the same reason we all know that righteousness was. He has to exercise himself and this is just one of many ways that is done. For my fellow IDMR family out there who know the truth, hold tight and be thankful for what we have been shown and know that you are the true begotten son of Yahweh, and nothing else that anyone says or throws your way should matter. Be confident in what you know and of who you are, and the rest will play itself out, as it’s all already happened.
In the name of Yashua the Messiah
April 1, 2009 at 7:02 pm |
Its been proven that a man named Jesus never existed. If this is true, which it is true, then that would mean Yahshua and Yahweh are names that have been made up by those who which to deceive the masses also…….Because yahshua and Jesus are supposed to be one in the same
April 1, 2009 at 10:14 pm |
Here is a Lesson is the Subject of Proper Name: History of Name:
Kered that is so true a Man Name Jesus Never walk this earth as the Messiah.
But Yes Yahshua is the Messiah a Hebrew (Jew) who died on the Cross walked this earth over 2000 year ago and that has been proven.
Again I said if you have read the blog about the Name JESUS there is NO letter J in the Hebrew Language so the Savior name could have not been Jesus.
When the Greek took over the lands (Egypt) the changes the Name Yahshua to Iesous which is a History lesson.
So let me try to explain the name of Jesus:
JESUS is pronouncing G-zeus. Ge means earth or soil in Greek.
Ea-zeas meaning healing zeus.
Zeus was the sky god. Also, SUS means swine or pig in Latin.
“Jesus” is a corrupted name derived from Greek IESOUS, IES, or Iysh, in Hebrew mean man.
While Sus- soos mean Horse “ man horse” or “man beast”.
The Name IESOUS or “HEY-SOOS means “Hey Horse”.
You cannot change translate a proper Name.
Yahweh is the Name of the Creator that is the Name he gave Moses, before that EVERYONE call him Elohim.
Let examine that Letter J maybe that well help you come to a better understanding why there is No Man name Jesus. That save Our Soul.
Before a certain time in History there were only 25 letters in the English Alphabet during or after the1600 the Letter J was place in the 10th place but it is the last letter add to our English Alphabet.
Or the letter J was not a stand allow Letter as you see it now it took the sound of the letter H or G in other languages, Spanish the name Jesus is pronounce Heysoos not Gezeus.
Or it was with the letter I in word example: pijn
It is not pronounce with the Ja sound.
Yahshua is Yahweh whom he sent into the world not as Jesus a boy but Yahweh himself just steps into his own Creation and Saved his own people.
See Yahweh is Yahshua that what his name means Yahweh is salvation.
That’s why when you read in the bible he says you see me you see the father Or Yahshua says me and the father our one. They truthfully are one.
Hear Israel Yahweh our Elohim is One Yahweh. Det: 6:4 Listen he said people Yahweh is one Yahweh not many gods.
Yahweh Elohim Yahshua means I will be Almighty Providing Savior.
April 2, 2009 at 5:07 pm |
The original name of the So-Called savior of the Holy Name Bible was NOT Jesus…Nor was it Yahshua.
History is BEST qualified to reward ALL research…….
The name “Jesus” and we will include Yahshua because that is supposed to be the “Correct” name…did not exist until 1600 years “AFTER” the name “Serapis”……The name Serapis was CREATED by the “Melchite Coptic Egyptian Priest Society in Memphis, Egypt/Kemet in the year of 320 B.C.E…..
This man-made person named “Serapis” was worshipped along with the original Goddess Auset/Isis throughout Greece, Rome and the Byzantine Roman Empire. Serapis took the place of Ausar/Osiris. Serapis and Isis stayed in place in the Greek and Roman world until the……COUNCIL OF EPHESUS in the year of 431 B.C.E
This council took place some 50 years after the COUNCIL OF CONSTANTINOPLE……during the meeting of EPHESUS the man made ICON of “Serapis” became what is now the GOD Savior of ALL the MODERN day BIBLES…..Isis was replaced by the name “Virgin Mary”.
This left the Greeks and the Romans living under the Byzantine Rule. So the Greeks and Romans made up another name….”Iezv” which is pronounced “Zeus” by the Greeks and “Iupiter” by the Romans. In Greek and Roman Mythology Zeus and Jupiter are one in the same. The derivative of the name “Jesus” is from the name “Zeus”, i.e “Iezv or Iesu”.
Remember now that the Greek and Latin alphabets are derivatives of the phonetic alphabet which is the THIRD form of writing from the ANCIENT people of KEMET……The first form of any writing is “Medu-Netcher/Hieroglyphic and the second form of writing is called “Hieratic-demotic…..
In other words, the Greeks had “NO” alphabet system prior to The invasion of Alexander in 332 B.C.E….
The Phonetic Alphabet “Erroneously” called the Phoenician alphabet did not exist because a “PHOENICIAN” never walked the face of the earth in human form…….Phoenicians are Fictitious characters used in narrative stories found in the BIBLE…..
April 2, 2009 at 5:45 pm |
Free information to help those of you who are lost understand the truth…
April 2, 2009 at 10:31 pm |
Kered, Kemetism which your trying your hardest to relate on this web site is so backward. Why don’t you just be so forward and say just worship Kemetism.
I have read all your blog about your statement about IDMR still you can not prove that Amen Ra or the Sun god is the only god.
A men with holds the Sun ray with in hand don’t hold key to a men soul. Or control the underworld.
We No longer bound ourselves in white. We no longer write the Names of dead and repeat a endless words that mean nothing to the dead. We don’t get water and daily rite for sign of purity.. All of these are things of Kemetism if you say that not you are not telling the truth.. We take all worldly worth and give to a Pharaoh whom was a god themselves.
Yahweh is Spirit the Creator is Spirit He doesn’t need your Amulet your things your items to worship him with.
Learn Know and Understand your Creator as he really is not the way we want him to be but the way he really is. And that a hard thing to do. Just sit still he will open your mind and understand.
You are quick to say that Yahshua is not the savior and that Yahweh is not the true Creator.
I don’t need a bible a book to tell you that Yahweh is the only true god of this world because everything prove it you name it from the dogs, cats, the bird that fly in the sky praise Yahweh.
Yahweh name is: Yah is the male or masculine part and Weh is feminine or woman part of is name his has the count of 2.
Your Heart beat doest beat of the count of Amen Ra which 3. If it did you got a Heart problem.
You walk that a two count. You did any other way that issue. You breath with inhales and exhales. If you ever Heard a baby first yell its YAH!!! And when a person dies his last breath is Weh!! Now when your death is unknown you receive on Your body that Y incisions. The birds fly the wing with up and down movement.
When you can breath the Name of Amen Ra then he’s the only true god. But, until then please answer some those question Y does your god Amen Ra allow another god be praise when he say that he is the god of all gods..
These a simple question not hard Y does a Tree have some many Y in it? Y does the hand has some many Y in it? (WHY) Do Hebrew read from right to left? Why did we Call April 1 April fool Day?
But let me show you something with the word Why, Now the Hebrew read from right to left.
Yahweh is read in Hebrew or see H W H Y (YHWH) or right within the name of YaHWeh is W H Y (H).
So Why is that?
April 3, 2009 at 2:28 pm |
The worlds first system of writing was written in “Kemetic Hieroglyphs, Hieratic-demotic and Phonetic….From the “Phonetic Alphabet came the “Hebrew/Greek/Latin” and all the other Languages……So it is virtually IMPOSSIBLE for Yahweh to be the CREATOR since he is a “Hebrew” God.
There is somethiing else we have today that is still in use that came from KEMET…..Its called the “Enneagram” based on the number “9″
This Enneagram is a “Plagarization from the Creation of the universe called the “Divine 9 of Heliopolis”……
Google Enneagram and see what you get………They will tell you it came from Kemet/Egypt some 2500 yeras ago and that it was of “Pagan” origin. Satan has a way of always calling something “Pagan” but yet they still use it. If its of “Pagan” origin why use it as to this day????
April 3, 2009 at 4:07 pm |
You still have not answer the question before Egypt. You must have a Creator. One
You have a Creation singular because you have a Creator singular. Not many gods and goddess.
It a simple question why do we walk with the count of two. Why do we breath with the count of two. Why do ask the question why. Why do search question of Why.
If the Creator is Spirit why do you have to do something physical?
People whom worship Kemetism are only doing 1% of the total belief structure and function of what Ancient Egyptian did.
If you belief that Ancient Egyptian belief were the True god of the world the first thing you got wrongs is Pharaoh.
There are NO Pharaoh for you to worship which is A man. The Pharaoh himself was a god. He was the go between man an Aten or Ammon I guess you forget about that.
So who is you Pharaoh? Another thing Pharaoh die and their wealth were buried with them?
So Kemetism is just want you to worship A man not the Creator. If, you need a go between (a mediator) to talk to the Creator of the UNIVERSE that is not the Creator.
That just another so idol that A man has made up because just need something physical to worship.
Yahweh is Spirit he doesn’t need my hand to do nothing. I walk, I breathe, I blink to praise he’s Name.
If there was no physical building no cars no things just you and I. And a Tree stand outside I can show you Yahweh Name though that Tree and How that Tree praise Him and not A man or the Sun.
Universe means One not many. Amen Ra, Amen, Seth, Ammon What every name you what call or what every Name he is us today gives he’s POWER He’s GLORY He’s STORY to another.
If you going to Worship Kemetism make sure you know what your worshiping.
How much water do you got do for daily rite? YOUR still not cleanse. We think that we help out god if we put so water on us which the Creator already made and say some words over and it cleanse. The we turn around and us the same water from something else. Then we go about a daily day and we do again the next day.
I go to class it easier than when I was in High School I sit there and listen. I Ask question do homework because it a school. So, If you want learn something it way to learn it. I do not do anything In this class of any type of physical bodily worship No daily rite, No Cleanse, No Amulets No animal worship to Cross worship no get on knees to pray. Not give A man my money, No 613 Laws Ordinance and Commandant. I do go to class to worship.
To meet so friends or to the have a party. Or get together with family. It only 3 days a week 2hr a lesson. Less time that do doing other thing in our life.
If I don’t understand something I research just like school. Anit no man going to just tells me something with me just looking up for myself. I can belief that A man is a god or my mediator.
I said this before be Honest with yourself and ask yourself the question because only you not your priest of your Kemetism can get to your Creator.
You have a Creation singular because you have a Creator singular. Not many gods and goddess.
It a simple question why do we walk with the count of two. Why do we breath with the count of two. Why do ask the question why. Why do search question of Why.
If the Creator is Spirit why do you have to do something physical?
Oh reread the post about the (9) it already on there because that is Yahweh too. Not A man form the Sun with the Ray.
April 3, 2009 at 4:55 pm |
Mr. Kinley was a man. I call him Mister because he was NO doctor. What was he a Doctor of????? Was he a specialist or a generalist????
We have thousands of people with NO education beyond the 3rd grade who can read a book and then DRAW A PICTURE OF THAT BOOK…..That is what Mr. Kinley did. He drew a picture of the BIBLE……Big Deal
But before he drew a picture on CANVAS that picture was already DRAWN in real life……Kemet/Egypt the place were the HEBREW-GREEK-ROMAN-MOSLIM and all other cultures came from.
The BIBLE has been rewritten over a thousand times and in that time period no one can say for CERTAIN that its CORRECT…….because its not correct. You in the IDMR say the BIBLE has ERROR…so if it has error then that would mean Yahweh is in ERROR…..and that would mean you are in ERROR…HELLO!!!!
The “Divine 9 of Heliopolis the Ennead” has no ERROR……The “Book of coming forth by day” has no ERROR….and yes this was here before the first HEBREW Abram was BORN.
They say Mr. Kinley raised the dead. They say he Prophesized. They call him Yahweh in the Flesh…..Was anyone around when he “Raised the Dead”?? What did he predict would happen that had not been predicted to happen already???
The Religion of KEMET is NOT centered around a man…..unlike the Hebrew/Yahweh faith who is centered around a man….Mr. Kinley
To understand the Doctrine of KEMET you must FIRST understand the DEFINITIONS of Religion…..
1). ATHEISM===No God
2). AGNOSTICISM===it is unknown if a GOD exist
3). HENOTHEISM===One GOD at the HEAD of a “Pantheon” of Gods without nature
4). MONOTHEISM===One and only one GOD
5). POLYTHEISM===A collection of GODs
6). THEISM===A collection of GODs and GODDESS exist without nature.
And then we have “PAN-EN-THEISM” which means…..All happens within ONE supreme GOD who TRANSCENDS creation but who is within ALL nature of creation itself……This is the religion of Kemet.
When “Ra” said “I have many names and forms”…..he was saying that everything within nature is created in his FORM.
That Bird you see is the CREATOR
That Fish you see is the CREATOR
ALL that is living is a form of Almighty “Ra”………And “Ra’ is pure spirit, it has nothing to do with a man like Mr. Kinley…..
April 3, 2009 at 7:54 pm |
My belief Is Not center around AMAN or Amen for the SUN that Hold the Ray. I don’t know how many time that I have to say that to get though your head.
My world or the world doesn’t center around A man. Still you have not answer the question Why do we walk with the count of 2 why do are hearts beat of the count of 2 why do we blink of the count of 2? Why do they put they Y incisions on the dead?
Ra is count of 1 You I can’t breathe the count of 1 I would be dead. Amen Ra that the count of 3 you’ll have another breathing problem.
These are simple question that I ask.
Kemetism is the belief that state even though it may be know gods around them they don’t worship them. Wow now that something to think about to.
You haven’t answer these question I keep posting they are simple.
Your god is for every changing story so how can you keep up with it. One story he say he has left he people and went to sky and left another god to do his job. Now if that the god you serve.
Yahweh is Spirit he is the source the substance that all life comes. I don’t worship no Dr. Kinley. I am no body of IDMR but the body of Yahshua Messiah so understand I follow No Man. I sit on my bottom there is NO man between me and my Creator No Dr. Harris, No Dean, No Priest, No Sister, No Nun. Just Yahshua the Messiah he is the only savior of my soul. So you can’t use that one No more.
But let me say this so that you can understand something because everything not something derives from Spirit. So get your head out of cloud when somebody says that god in body. Because you are Yahweh to so is the dog the cat the bird and everything else.
Everything is of Yahweh because he is the Creator. The Creator said he made a Creation and but his stamp on it or his name on it and everything will declare that name.
That Why your Heart beat the Count of 2 That why breathe the count of 2 that’s why the wing fly with the movement of up and down and fly form north and south. That why we ask the question Why (YWYH) H W H Y because of Yahweh name.
That why your hands have those Y all in it.
Just answer that question Why with the Name of Amen Ra explain the function and structure of TREE by the Amen Ra like I did on this blog though the Name of Yahweh. EVEN the HUMAN body. Explain to me something that cannot be made with A man hand.
Because your Creator can be so simple that fool could not error in it.
One thing you always say about bible is that wrong or it was copy. Think for one moment in the bible, which means book the Creator never said you can worship me the way you want. That I have many names.
He said the Devil, Satan and he’s demon Had many NAMES. And that was he’s Adversary.
See, it so simple Creator NO (s) meaning Singular or One. Universe mean One
See, you are misrepresenting yourself because your still do something physical in the worshiping of the Creator whom is Spirit. Even of Amen Ra whom you say is Spirit.
What does Spirit need with physical thing like Amulet? Or writing the Names of the Dead on a Jar? Or some daily rite?
If Ra is Spirit wouldn’t he all ready know the dead or I forget there is another god over the dead that came down later after upper and lower Egypt became unify.
Your not answering my question you just want talk about Kemetism or that Dark land or Dark Place because that what it means.
Get your Head of that Dark Place that darkness..
April 3, 2009 at 9:01 pm |
The questions you are asking has no RELEVANCE. So when you walk you count one step two step thats it???
And speaking of the heart. It has nothing to do with 2 beats. If you look at a healthy EKG, you should see 4 waves not 2.
The P wave, The QRS wave and the T wave……..
Do you know what the Voltage of the heart is??????……its in relation to that DIVINE number “9″……….
I will give some some facts that I want you to take to Dr. Harris and have him VALIDATE it since I know he was a medical Doctor.
The heart has a VOLTAGE. This voltage can be put on a scale.
Lets start with Phase 4 of the heart Rythm. At Phase 4 the voltage of the heart is -60mv. This is the “spontaneous depolarization (pacemaker potential if you will) that TRIGGERS the “action potential” once the member potential reaches a threshold of -30mv.
The QRS wave is the most important segment since it consist of a charge from Q @ -60mv with the peek of R @ +30mv and back down to S -60mv
Repolarization takes place after the membrane potential and this rythm repeats itself spontaneously. The voltage of the heart has a range between -60mv to +30mv.
60 + 30 = 90
Reduce to its lowest term would give us the divine 9……
Ask Dr. Harris is this correct and if he says NO then he must have not been a REAL DOCTOR of MEDICINE………….
And as far as the tree is concerned its a part of nature and it is what it is.
April 3, 2009 at 9:02 pm |
Kered,
And I have another question why do you gotta order Prayer book to Learn How to pray?
Should that come from within your own body? Or those words give to you to.
Just like the daily rite words give but you have your own words said at the end.
Yahweh is Spirit he is the Only True Creator He does need my hands to worship him with.
Or some words written by somebody else said over some water that the Creator made and those go to cleanse the water that Creator has made. That doesnt even sound right.
April 3, 2009 at 9:23 pm |
What are you talking about Edrina, what prayer book? Ask yourself this…Why did Mr. Kinley find it necessary to write some FOOLISH book called “Elohim the Archtype”???
That book is full of Corruption and more LIES than the BIBLE……
Dont forget to ask your LEADER Dr. HARRIS to validate what i have said about the HEART…..
April 3, 2009 at 10:04 pm |
Kered says,
1. The questions you are asking has no RELEVANCE. So when you walk you count one step two step thats it???
And speaking of the heart. It has nothing to do with 2 beats. If you look at a healthy EKG, you should see 4 waves not 2.
Edrina answer,
See that what I though you would say so you have already expose yourself. Because everything has RELEVANCE to the Creator. I said BEAT or Count Your HeartBeat Heart Sound the Heart beat generted the sound of two. Sorry your worng again.
Before Ekg is perform the Doctor that examine your heart by Hearing if the Docor doesn’t hear that Count of the 2 you got a problem.
Now let go back to Walking to the see RELEVANCE.
You have One Right Leg One Right Foot, One Left leg One Left foot.
Either gone walk Right left or Left right That 2 steps. You raise that foot up and place that foot down its in up and down movement. Or One and two. Yah WEh
And your Crazy to say that you Heart having nothing to do with beats You got a Heart Beat you living Get out of that Darkness see it has you denying Your Own HearBeat by saying that.
And I think your missing some EkG or ECG Wave There P Waves, Pr Interval, Pr Segmant Qrs Complex, St Segment and T wave so that more than 4 waves but I was talk about Beat anyway.
The Purpose for the EKG SHOWs: How fast Your heart is BEATING. Whether the rhythm of your heartbeat is steady or irregular and the strength and timing of electrical signal as pass through each part of your heart.
I guess you didn’t Know. Look up!!!!
That is Why Doctor Say today Walk your Heart.. Everything to Yahweh has a RELEVANCE.
April 3, 2009 at 10:25 pm |
You know what the daily rite are? So you should know Your prayer Book? Like I said You dont know what your Worshiping.
Again Dr. Harris is not my god. I ask Yahweh all thing. Yahshua the Messiah is my teacher
Please show me something that in the Elohim Book that a lie. You just can’t make a statement but not prove it without facts.
In the Elohim book Dr. Kinley wrote and sent it to the pope that he was the modern day beast Man of Sin.
Thats in that book explain in detail why he was and let me tell you something some of thing that the pope did he don’t do No more because of Elohim book that you talk about.
And that a fact do some research on Pope about chair he use to sit in and be carry around in. He doesnt sit on that Chair anymore. Because it was wrote in that book and sent him and he got off that chair.
So point out some of the so-called lies but have fact not statement to back them up.
Yahweh is the only True Creator there is nothing else beside him.
And you need to make you mind because you said it time to move on. But I guess you have to come back for more..
Maybe its you that is not sure what you belief and your try so hard to make youself believe it.
April 7, 2009 at 2:41 pm |
Edrina………The “Elohim Book” Mr. Kinley wrote is only a copy of whats already in the BIBLE “Twisted” with more falsehood by Mr. Kinley.
Yes we already know that the “Catholic Church” is corrupt……So are the Hebrews, the Buhdist, The Moslims and all the other religious beliefs.
I said this over and over…its impossible for a “Hebrew” God or any other God with a name that Relates to a “Specific” group of people to be the God of Creation……WHY?
Thousands of years before a Hebrew, Greek, Roman or Moslim, thousands of years before any civilised culture existed outside of “Kemet”, it was written by “Tehuty” called (Hermes by the Romans) and Thoth by the Greeks….That GOD is INCORPOREAL, FORMLESS, HAS NO SHAPE OR GENDER, INVISIBLE with no NAME……
Let me explain……..Yahweh is Hebrew correct? Buhda is Asian correct? ALLa is Arab correct? Krishna is India correct? so on a so forth.
Now, the reason for all these names given to “GOD” by mankind are merely expressions of that “CULTURAL” group of people. But in reality GOD has no name because all of those cultures were “NOT” yet here on earth when “Tehuty” was writing in “Medu-Netcher” or Heiroglyhs which is the FIRST language of mankind………
Now you may say then what is the name “Atum-Ra”?……or “Emen-Ra” or Emen-Ra or “Tummu” or “Eaau”……..These are merely Expressions of the creator…..
Atum-Ra means………Atum=Beginning and Ra=Light when said together means the beginning and end of all light.
Emen-Ra means……..Emen=hidden or invisible when said together means the hidden light.
Tummu means……….The beginning and end of all creations.
Eaau means…………..where Ea pronounced Ey-a means polorisation Au pronounced Ah-yu means expansion…..therefore which means the power that has been poloraised and expanded creating the universe.
In the book of coming forth by day, it is written by “Tehuty” who says:
“None of our thoughts are capable of conceiving God, nor any Language of difining him. That which is incorporeal, formless, invisible, cannot be grasped by our senses. That which is eternal cannot be measured by the short rules of time. God is, accordingly, ineffable”……
So you see when you put a “CULTURAL” name on god you are actually showing how “Arrogant” and “Racist” the human can be……
Atum-Ra, Emen-Ra, Amen-Ra, Tummu, Eaau does “NOT” define any culture of people……..ITS UNIVERSAL………
All Glory given to the ALL thats in ALL…..”Ra”
April 8, 2009 at 4:14 am |
Kered says:
That GOD is INCORPOREAL, FORMLESS, HAS NO SHAPE OR GENDER, INVISIBLE with no NAME……
Edrina answer:
Which one is it In one blog you said God has many Names and now your saying God has No Name…
Now let just examine that just for a second. Everything on these Earth seen and unseen has a Name.
So You walk about saying the Invisible no Name god I praise you.
Its okay that your trying to make yourself believe this stuff that why you ask question?
Because your just not sure?
Ancient Egypt Mean Dark Place they had Many god and goddess each had A NAME.
So like I said maybe you don’t know or understand what Kementism is or what Ancient Egypt was and is.
See Yahweh was before all sorry because Yahweh that Name is in You and in me. You see A man, Amen-Ray, Atum, Ammon ( A Moon) no were with in Us.
See the Creator is In Us and Around Us just like the H2O that I explain. The Creator is Spirit and If your doing something physical to worship him your out of touch with him. There Nothing you gonna do physically like I daily rite,Prayer books and writing to dead and that stuff see you don’t have to do that If your Creator is Spirit.
See Yahweh is the Source the Substance the limit the bounds of everything You can’t get outside of Yahweh. Yahweh is in you and around you like that H2O.
You cant get outside of that H20 that H20 is in you and around you.
Like I said before you breathe the Name of Yahweh I don’t care what language you speak.
You Breath inHale of Yah and exhale of weh and you close you mouth breathe to yourself and don’t lie to yourself.
You walk with Yah and weh. You blink with a Yah and weh.
You don’t blink Amen Ra, You don’t Breathe Ra, You don’t walk Amen Ra or Ammon (A moon) or anyothers idols that were back there in the Dark Place.
And still havent point out a verse in the Elohim Book which was in Error.
But I forget again You don’t believe the in bible anyway. Its totally made Up. But you still can point out what points are made up.
Get back to me on that one to.. Because again you make statement without fact O proof.
Kered says:
So you see when you put a “CULTURAL” name on god you are actually showing how “Arrogant” and “Racist” the human can be……
Edrina answer:
That is Why Yahweh is Spirit…… his Name is Spirit…. That why you breath it….
Yah…….. Weh…..
April 8, 2009 at 2:29 pm |
De….vil 1…2
Sa….tan 1…2
Edrina I can come up with thousands of words that have (2) syllables none of which mean anything.
The name “Yahweh” means “Hebrew” it has nothing to do with spirit. It applies only to the Hebrew Belief system. Edrina I dont have to point out one section of that “Elohim” book thats in error…….I SAID THE WHOLE BOOK ITSELF IS IN ERROR………Hello!!!!!
If you read carefully i said in “REALITY” God has no name. He has descriptions of him and I gave you those descriptions.
The name Yahweh does not describe the essence of GOD it applies to the HEBREW religion……..and thats why Yahweh is only a NAME and you cant deny that because you in the IDMR “STRESS” that NAME as the CORRECT name……right?
Atum-Ra is a description OF THE CREATOR……it has nothing to do with a religious group of people, race, creed or color or ethnic background…
You have Mr. Kinley on your charts and when you get in front of your class you always point to that “NAME” and give thanks to that name of Mr. Kinley who you also refer to as Yahweh……and dont say I am lying because I told you I used to attend your classes……
I will attempt again to point out that “Ra” is in everything in NATURE…..
Everything in NATURE is connected to Time and Space….can we prove it, Yes.
The crocodile for example: We know this creature is vicious and has a menacing look but it functions within the order of which the Creator “Ra” has given………
The Female crocodile carries her EGGS for 60 days…..
She Broods on them for 60 days….
The crocodile has 60 vertebrae….
The crocodile has 60 teeth….
When we add all that up we get 240…we can remove the zero to get 24.
The number 60 is the BASIC unit in Astronomy and the measurement of time:
We have 60 seconds in a minute….
We have 60 minutes in a hour……
We have 24 hours in a day 2+4 = 6
In Kemet this creature was called “SeBek” not Crocodile…..and the first Syllable “Seb” in kemet means TIME…..
Peace and all praises to the one thats in ALL…..”Ra”
April 8, 2009 at 2:42 pm |
To all you IDMR members….Wake up and check out what your people in ISRAEL are doing……Look who they are giving praise to…..
THE ONE THATS IN ALL……..”Ra”
April 8, 2009 at 6:10 pm |
I’m going to keep it Simple again Because You Trying to Say that WE Inhale the word itself Devil in or in Part. Your Wrong.
Your trying to say that we inhale and exhale the Word Satan Because it has a count of 2 Your Wrong there also.
Now Yahweh is Spirit You inhale Yah… and exhale Weh you don’t got fake it you don’t force your self to do it.
Yahweh is the breath of life. He is the Creator of everything and Everything going to praise Him no matter what. Seen and Unseen.
See you Still In Darkness Because, you still given Satan or Devil power for life itself.
Wrong again I have describe Yahweh so many time each time on every blog.
Now Yahweh is Spirit he is the Source the Substance the limits and bound that everything .
Again lets break down so that you can understand Spirit because you can not see Spirit but Spirit is in us and around at all time.
Example: We have H2O, which is Water now H2O Water ONLY has One Pure State of existence You can not See GAS in it Pure STATE and 2 manifestations LIQUID and SOLID.
When H2O breaks itself down or condense or coming down into a Liquid state it is still H2O now break itself down a little more into a Solid it must be a 32 degree if its One degree high 33 it transform itself back it to Liquid state.
Now that is NOT many waters NOR many NAMES. That One WATER.
H20 GAS Yahweh
H20 Liquid Elohim
H20 Solid Yahshua
Now Yahweh is Elohim Yahweh is Yahshua That what that Name mean YAHWEH IS THE ALMIGHTY PROVIDING SAVIOR.
Elohim is Yahweh in Shape and form
Yahshua is Yahweh in a body
Or the Creator just step in his Creation and just walk around in it.
Just like Henry Ford did he made a car, which was His Creation. He just did let it sit their he step right in it and drove around in his Creation.
Now ask yourself this Question H2O is a life give Substance which is describe by Yahweh make up.
Now Yahshua the Messiah died on the Cross-at the age of the 33. Why is that because if look at H2O which is proven Fact it must TRANSFORM back into its Liquid state at the high temp degree of 33. Simple.
It Solid at the Temp of 32 that why Yahshua was solid in he teaching at the age of 32.
This is call the Unity of the Spirit.
H2O is liken unto the Unity of the Spirit.
Yahweh is One. One Yahweh Not many Not many god Not many goddess and has a Name that can be said. Not Changing his name or giving his name or Losing his Name as the History of Egypt has done.
He Not the god of the Jew Greek the Egypt the black or white But of the Soul.
That why you read I made a living Soul….
Not a living Jew Not Living white man and so on so get over that one to. Yahweh is the Yahweh of the Universe. See the word Universe means One.
If you cannot Understand that you have a Creator which means One your lost we live in Universe which means One.
You don’t have many Souls You don’t talk in the third and Second person.
And also Yahweh, which is Spirit, is Eternal there is no time in Eternity. Yahweh creates time. Within Eternity.
Everything is NOT Nature wrong. It is SPIRIT materialized.
See you want to Worship the thing the breast. Is that why you Prayer with the Amulets? Your talk about the GOD SOBEK (the crocodile god) he was seen as a more primal god, eventually becoming regarded as an avatar of the primal god Amun, SebeK which you say it call time.
OH yeah like I said you keep leave out history of Egypt GOD’s and only take just what you think somebody want to hear Here or tryin to make it fit.
(Sebek) Sobek’s ambiguous nature led some Egyptian to believe that he was a repairer of evil that had been done, rather than a force for good in itself, for example, going to Duat to restore damage done to the dead as a result of their form of death.
Also, Sobek was a fourfold deity. He represented the four elemental gods, Ra of fire, Shu of air, Geb of earth, and Osiris of water.
I hope you Saw Ra In there I guess he has gave he other Gods have power over him!
Kered ask:
You have Mr. Kinley on your charts and when you get in front of your class you always point to that “NAME” and give thanks to that name of Mr. Kinley who you also refer to as Yahweh……and dont say I am lying because I told you I used to attend your classes……
Edrina answer:
Simple IDMR is a School Mr. Kinley said he had a Vision and Draw those Chart Now that was In 1931. His Name is on the Chart because it his vision.
Example: The Painter Leonrado da Vinci Draw out Mona Lisa Painting it was his vision its his Painting, His Name is on his work he get credit for what he painting.
Everything is Yahweh Everything is Yahweh because Yahweh is Spirit. So the dog the cat the bird you name is of Yahweh so get over that too. You are of Yahweh.
We are Spirit Materialize if you can understand that…
But Yahweh has One Spirit just like that H2O I was talking about but Two manfestion of that one Spirit. Just like H2O has.
April 8, 2009 at 6:41 pm |
You are right Edrina its “Mr. Kinley’s” Vision……aint got nothing to do with the CREATOR….
Did God lead anyone out of Egypt in 1931??…..I think that supposedly had happened thousands of years before Kinley was a Thought……
And what makes Kinley’s vision any different than “Farad Muhammed”??
What makes his vision any different than “Dali Lama”??
What makes his vision any different than “Yisrahyl Hawkins” the house of Yahweh founder??
What makes his vision any different than “Yahweh Ben Yahweh”??
Mr. Kinley was an ordinary man who wanted to start a new religion. He was frustrated with his old congregation. He is not the first and he wont be the last man to say they had a vision…..
April 8, 2009 at 6:50 pm |
Edrina you read to much “Folklore” concerning Kemet………
So if SATAN want to say the people of Kemet called everything GOD the CREATOR then good for SATAN…….but its not true.
I gave the definition of PAN-EN-Theism…..Please read it agian and you might understand……….
April 9, 2009 at 12:10 am |
Yahweh is Spirit he is the Source the Substance of all thing.
Yahweh cannot be seen like in this state like the H2O (GAS). Yahweh must take on a shape and form as Elohim just like that H2O breaks itself down into that state of Liquid it Clear you see it. You can see Yahweh Elohim in a Vision and understand him in revelation.
Now let see does that happen Now or has Occur in Your life time: The Guy had a Vision that the WORD he Use that everybody would be able and handle a Computer. The Software the Guy developed was Visionary it redesign the Computer Era MICROSOFT which was WORD program. That Guy has a Name BILL GATES.
You ask the question what Dr. Kinley vision different then any other, other that said that god gave the a vision. They change or didnot see what Moses saw or John saw or Paul saw what they wrote. They went about make a religion. IDMR Is NOT a Religion Sorry. Your Wrong again.
First all Dr. Kinley never said that he did not see anything that Moses Abraham John Paul etc saw. Ok..
He does go about change one thing in bible like everyone else done and will do. He NEVER said worship AMAN Nor Dr. Kinley. There is no Salvation in the Name of Dr. Kinley so you go get Over that one to.
1.They Have the Messiah starting up something. Wrong
2.They Have the Messiah Name. Wrong
3.They Have the Savior Raising a Physical Body Wrong.
4.They Have the Creator name LORD and GOD Wrong.
Now that is just 4 example that Dr. Kinley had in a vision that states that we were Wrong in the way we Worship. We had the Creator Name Wrong we Called Him by a Title which is not a Name.
Dr. Kinley said, “he had a Vision and Revelation from the Creator himself and make him prove it to you are satisfy”.
Now So Call Folklore About Egyptians come from “ God and Goddess of Egypt”, Tour of Egypt, The American College Dictionary, Brooklyn Museum Egyptian, Egypt the Origin of Name Egypt and other I just do want to fill the page up with were I got the information from.
But this is not my Folklore this is form People whom I done a better job on the researcher they You and I whom are Know on the subject and have study it.
Like I said I have only study Egypt History only about 25 or more so Been know about Afro-C and Now you guys Afro-K. Know look that up that was in the 1960’s. the Afro-C.
See the problem is you try to take just One part of the History Which is Africa a Whole Nation and cut it up to just one Piece to a tiny wee piece (Egypt).
You cant Put Yahweh in one part of the world and not and the other Yahweh has been here all the time. He is in many Language you just don’t know it. Or may just can see it. Because your Still in Egypt.
If you HEARD a Native America Dance and watch the they Praise and Sing Yahweh.
Now the Question you should ask yourself if Yahweh is a Jewish god How do Native America Praise Yahweh before Any white person every step foot on Native American Land? Before the Bible get here?
YEHERAWAHEHA YeHeraWaHeha YHWH He who Create
Now that what they are saying…..
They ain’t sing Amen Ra who Create Ammon who creates Aten who creates why not?
Because they are made up idols there in a man mind you cant cross million and hundred land and miles and be praise and another land.
That’s why they are only in EGYPT that why you don’t see them in Here in Native American because there ain’t real it just in the mind of A Man. AMAN. Or there dead gods tryin to get an up raise with you guys Kemetism. Because I live in the Large populate state of people they come from Israel or those part and They don’t have No Amen-Ra hangs in there store…
They Know of Yahweh because the Culture and there story so do so more research of Israel. Why do you think they fight over there go watch the Version Kingdom with Orlando Boom it may give you idea. About some of there issue.
And here another Lesson about Vision each time you watch T.V watch a movie. Your taken part in somebody else VISION. Or Your watch somebody painting Something they saw only within there self It became a REALITY It move it make motion It something that They saw. And want you to see it to.
Yehera Wa heha He who create (YHWH)
April 9, 2009 at 12:17 am |
So that you can understand Clearly Dr. Kinley Has not rewritten the Bible Nor Change the bible. Add took away He cant do that He would be like everybody else.
He saw the same things AS Moses Abram John Paul and all the others saw etc..
Now everybody else that say that god has gave them a vision says something different and still have doing something physical to worship.
April 9, 2009 at 1:42 pm |
Edrina, keep in mind that some see and some will never see. So the ones that see and understand is a birth son and any and all things that we incounter is for us to learn something more of our Father. I learn something from Kered. While explaing the theory of the croc. 60 min , 60 sec, 24 (=6) hr days……all of that is time. What number is that? The mark of the beast, flesh, time… 666. Edrina you really made some great points. It amazing when Yahweh build a class, it was not just that building we go to 3 times a week, its our life.
April 9, 2009 at 2:29 pm |
To Falana…….I was waiting for someone to make that correlation with Satan and 666……
You see…That number 666 aint got nothing to do with EVIL SPIRITS. If you add up those three 6’s, you will get 18 reduced to 9 which AGAIN describes the ENNEAD……..
PLEASE UNDERSTAND…SATAN is very tricky…..Satan has everyone thinking that the CREATOR said that number 666 represents SATAN.
Thats SATAN himself TELLING you that the CREATOR is giving him that 666 number which really represents the Divine 9, so he can have power over you. Can you see it??????
Which in fact SATAN is trying to take that number for himself because it REPRESENTS time and space and the Divine number 9 of CREATION.
It takes COMMON SENSE to see these things and most of you have NO COMMON SENSE. If this number was never mentioned as being EVIL BEFORE any culture outside of Kemet, then how can it be ALL OF A SUDDEN the number for SATAN????
To You EDRINA………The ELOHIM book that Mr. Kinley wrote was a reitieration of the BIBLE. He tried to correct the lies that are in the BIBLE but HE Mr. Kinley was in ERROR himself…..
Like I said, the name YAHWEH is a HEBREW name and you can not deny that…..So if its a HEBREW name he is a HEBREW GOD. History tells us that the FIRST hebrew came on the scene some 3000 years “AFTER” civilization, nature and the universe was already here….
That vision BILL GATES had to design MICROSOFT was the FIRST……MICRSOFT DID NOT EXIST until he came up with it.
The vision Mr. Kinley had was NOT the FIRST…..because people knew of YAHWEH before Henry Kinley was BORN……Right???? The BIBLE was here before Kinley was born…Right???? Yahweh was in the BIBLE before Kinley was born all you had to do was look in the “PREFACE” of the BIBLE and you would have seen it…..All that is drawn on those charts was already here….Right????
So please tell me what is so “UNIQUE” about Kinley drawing a picture of what was already here??????…….Talk to me
You say IDMR is not a religion……you are totally blinded by something….if your CREATOR you pray to name is YAHWEH who is a HEBREW/JEWISH god…..then the IDMR is a religious SATELITE of Judaism/Hebrewism because these two describes a religious BELIEF system……..
April 9, 2009 at 2:41 pm |
And speaking of worshipping the PHYSICAL…….
Is it not a FACT that YAHWEH used PHYSICAL bodies to get his POINT across to you?????
He used the PHYSICAL BODY of Moses….and people followed Moses
He used the PHYSICAL BODY of Saul….and people followed Saul
He used the PHYSICAL BODY of John….and people followed John
He used the PHYSICAL BODY of a YAHSHUA….and people followed
and last but not least he “supposedly used the PHYSICAL BODY of Mr. Kinley….and you people followed.
If you do not believe in the PHYSICAL then PLEASE tell me why YAHWEH “always use” the PHYSICAL BODY???
Why does YAHWEH have to use a “Middleman” if you will, to get his point across????
The IDMR is no better than any other RELIGIOUS group……None of it makes any sense to someone with COMMON SENSE…
Peace to you..
April 9, 2009 at 4:13 pm |
Kered, yes 6+6+6=1+8=9. 9 which points back to Yahweh. Meaning, the devil gets all his power from Yahweh. Not even the devil realize that in the number 666, it still points back to the father. When I say Yahweh , his name, I am meaning his character. Which are decribe in his 9 attibutes.
April 9, 2009 at 4:18 pm |
Kered also, Yahweh is not using the a middleman, there is where some get caught up. He is doing this all by himself. Once Yahweh manifest in you, the “you” no longer exist. And even when he does not put his spirit in you, the you still dont exist. Its only him. Much love to you, in Yashua
April 9, 2009 at 4:46 pm |
Falana….You related to Lola??…Just making small talk. I dont want to come across like I am judging you for your belief. You can believe what you want to. And I hope you are not judging me.
No one on this EARTH has the ULTIMATE answer. The Catholics, the Hebrews, The Muslims and any other religious group do not have the ULTIMATE answer.
Much has been lost about THE CREATOR and his TRUE Identity. BUT, I must follow that which was here FIRST; the FIRST “Blue Print” if you will, of SPIRITUALITY and that was the SPIRITUAL system of KEMET…..
Bill Gates was the first to make “Microsoft Computer Software” but it was “Xerox” had had the “FIRST” electronic computer system.
So Bill Gates “USED” what was already here to establish himself…….and just like he did that……These other Religions USED what was in KEMET to establish themselves…………..
Like I said before all the names of these GODS we have today do not describe anything SPIRITUAL…..They decsribe what “CULTURE” that particular GOD is FROM.
Yahweh=Hebrew
Buhda=Asian
Khrishna=India
ALLA=Arab
Jehova/Jesus=Europe
“Ra” is a discription of what contains the UNIVERSE…the light of GOD in NATURE which illuminates and is CENTERED in the middle of the UNIVERSE…
Peace in the name thats in ALL….”Ra”
April 9, 2009 at 5:32 pm |
Thats funny concerning my name. No , not related to Lola, but my mom did name me after her,lol. No not judging you at all. I have be enlighten on somethings I have never heard about. I think its only fair that I research Kemet. So, I plan on doing some reading on it.
April 9, 2009 at 6:40 pm |
Lets start again Because Yahweh is Spirit Again Yahweh is Spirit He is the Source the Substance the limit the bound of Everything. You cannot understand Yahweh in his Pure Spirit State.
Now I going answer your Question even though You don’t answer any of my question.
And the blog site it not about Your Kemetism belief, which you’re trying so hard to believe in but about the Only One True Yahweh Our Elohim and Yahshua the Messiah.
I think You just don’t Know that Bible or Changes to bible the The Name Yahweh was not in the bible and was took out of the bible by King James that why it call King James Version that why You see the Name LORD and GOD in the bible to day. The King James Version was written in 1611 the book written long before that and there were no letter J in it Not Even a Ja sound Man is in Error.
Now I have (1901) New Analytical Holy Bible by John A. Dickson Yahweh name ain’t in that Bible and Dr. Kinley had the vision and Revelation in the Year 1931.
That bring be back to what your said: Kered
Yahweh was in the BIBLE before Kinley was born all you had to do was look in the “PREFACE” of the BIBLE and you would have seen it…..All that is drawn on those charts was already here….Right????
Edrina answer: No Your Wrong again.
You really need do some good research about the book because you don’t have no understanding about the book. Because I keep catching at these False statement that you make.
Kered Says:
To Falana…….I was waiting for someone to make that correlation with Satan and 666……
Edrina Answer:
You haven’t been keep up with the blog your late on the the number 6 of the flesh I already blog on that So I know Your not read all the blogs. So that goes back to what I said Your tryin to make statement to see if you know something but Wrong again I already been blog about month ago Keep up… Reread those dates…
Date January 8, 2009 at 2:05 am
(666, A MAN) and Seth became the Righteous Generations and Cain had UnRighteous. In the purpose of Yahweh.
February 5, 2009 at 2:11 am
Now Yahweh said it like this Revelation 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of A man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and Six.
If you count up that Number which is 666 or 6+6+6=18
Count up the letter of Lord God Jesus Christ. There are 18 letters.
Kered Ask:
1.So please tell me what is so “UNIQUE” about Kinley drawing a picture of what was already here??????…….Talk to me
Edrina Answer:
I don’t know what Era you grew up but I know you did just wasn’t born into Kemetism right.. So just go on if you grew up in Christendom or Chruch okay. Just one example
Unique Example:
In Chruch there is Only One person that said that God can speak though them and that god or god gave them power to heal the soul and sick and the understand of the man so that the man soul can get to Heaven. And that is the Preacher or Priest. Now he is that middle Man between god and a man.
Dr. Kinley said look Yahshua the Messiah (he the Savior) is the Only Mediator between Yahweh and man.
So you don’t have to go to another man to hear Yahweh voice or take a sin offering understand can’t No man get you to see the father, Kinley can get you to see, Yahweh you understand, I can get you the see the father Only the Messiah and If you don’t Know his he Name or whom to call on you don’t the know the mediator. To get to the father.
In church You call on Rev this and that get me to heaven to see the father which the Creator. In Class if you Call on dean to get see father your wrong to.
I have said this before to You Kered I understand about the class you went to But it still in the Purpose of Yahweh. Your in the Purpose Kered. That why you keep coming back asking question?
Those Picture Point Out that there is No go between No Man in Middle. Which most people belief is.
Kered ask:
1.Is it not a FACT that YAHWEH used PHYSICAL bodies to get his POINT across to you?????
Edrina Answer:
Again The Creator is Spirit You Know that One for sure. Since the Creator is Spirit and we are limit and the Creator know that because he Creator us he gave us physical example about him to understand him. Yes. Now here the kicker the Physical example that he gives doesn’t warrant or justify us to turn around an worship the example.
Kered ask:
1.If you do not believe in the PHYSICAL then PLEASE tell me why YAHWEH “always use” the PHYSICAL BODY???
Edrina Answer:
I said I don’t Worship My Creator whom is Yahweh with any type of Physical worship I don’t do a thing. I didn’t say I don’t belive in the Physical. I am Physical life form so I would be deny myself. But the Physical is point to something Spiritual.
Example: Daily Rite which is a type of being Baptize or Purify. Sin offering. I don’t go to class, church to Worship. I don’t get on my Knee and pray to Creator a sign of something. Now those are just a few things but there a lot more.. Are physical ways of worship.
Now to the second part of the question is long so you have pay attention if you want the question answer and you truthful want to understand or like said talk to me..
Before Yahshua the Messiah Death Buried Resurrection the Holy Spirit wasn’t Pour out on Man kind Collectively until the day of Pentecost Act 2:1-22
Now all those Bodies like You say Yahweh used them or they had the Holy Spirit Paul write I was move by the Holy Spirit. Moses said the Word of Yahweh came unto saying, John whom was Yahshua first Cousin was born with the Holy Spirit. Abram the Word came unto saying.
He use them as example PHYSICAL EXAMPLE to show us something SPIRITUAL or use those Physical Men to teach us something about Yahweh or the Purpose of Yahshua the Messiah remember we are limited.
Roman 1:19-20 Because that which may be knew of Yahweh is manifest in them; for Yahweh hath shewed it unto them.
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen being understood by {perceived through} the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead {divinity}; so that they are with excuse.
Now how can mankind see or understand something that is invisible and understand it clearly.
You use something physical which is made or Create by Yahweh to understand him. So, that they is EVERYBODY won’t be no excuse said Know Ye Yahweh.
Let go back to the water because H2O which Only the Creator can Create the H2O is 3 fold In make-up.
H20 GAS Yahweh Most Holy Place
H2O LIQUID Elohim Holy Place
H2O SOLID Yahshua Court Around About
That Gas has NO SHAPE NO Form it Cannot be seen it Pure that is its Natural State.
Yahweh has a Pure State which is Spirit we can not see it handle nor understand it.
Liquid must take on a Shape an form or come out of is pure state to be comprehend.
Yahweh took on shape and form as Elohim so that we could comprehend him so we see him understand him.
H2O Solid must condense itself at the degree of 32 to hold a solid shape or to harden form liquid to a Solid as it is coming down.
Yahshua the Messiah was at the age of 32 solid in his teaching. He went to the Cross-at of 33 and died on the cross.
It doesn’t stop there Now When Yahshua died on that Cross he was buried in a tomb 3 days and 3 nights He got out the tomb and Resurrected a SPIRITUAL body.
Now H2O explain the Resurrection watch H2O Must have to change back into LIQUID form at 33 degree it cannot stay in a Solid form. Now if that Same H2O that was in the Gas state the same in the liquid state that is now in the Solid state. It is the same H2O.
So Yahweh is Spirit (Gas)he is Elohim (liquid) in Vision and Revelation or Almighty Providing he is Yahshua the Messiah Our savior whom is Solid H2O. These 3 are one.
Now I use the Physical example of H2O which is water Now do I turn around and Worship the Water No you DONT its an example it is not the reality of Spirit. The Physical is Pointing to Spiritual that were you Error at.
April 9, 2009 at 9:01 pm |
Edrina……I answer every question of yours.
TECHNICALLY speaking Edrina…..Yahweh was NOT the FIRST name of the creator in the BIBLE…..It was “Yehovah” the TETRAGRAMMATON…
Edrina…..I been to the IDMR classes and when your moderator gets in front of the class he/she says. and I quote: “I holy name of the creator can be found in the Preface of the BIBLE or a minor investigation on you part”.
Is that correct?…Dont they say that. Now I was only saying what you people say about the PREFACE of the BIBLE…..and here you are saying the name YAHWEH is not in the PREFACE of the BIBLE.
The number 666……has NOTHING to do with SATAN……Edrina if the BIBLE had put 555 as a descpition of SATAN you would believe it right?…..you would believe it because it supposed to be what GOD is saying since the BIBLE “SUPPOSED” to have been of GOD…..
I gave you “PROOF” of were it came from and what it “ORIGINALLY” stands for……
See Edrina your problem and thousands of people like “BLINDLY” believe whats in the BIBLE….YET you say the BIBLE is FULL of ERROR……
Has it ever occurred to you that if they removed the name “Yahweh” that should signal a RED FLAG in your mind that if they can remove that name then what else can they remove and replace??????????
Its called COMMON SENSE Edrina…………
April 10, 2009 at 12:00 pm |
Look Wrong again So Please Find a reference that said that Moses called or received the Name “ Yehovah” Please do.. Because Your Wrong there… Miss Translation….
Now Moses was the first to receive the Name of Yahweh in the book of Exodus before that they called Yahweh Elohim.
Name let explain why Your Wrong Name Again ADAM is the First Man EVE is the First women You talk about Common Sense. Now look and See look at those letter in those Name Adam is First Eve is draw of Adam. Keep the Story History right now don’t break up You cant have the women before the Man in Yahweh story.
Because Your Error in the Name its self Now look You see that letter A in Adam that the only Vowel in Adam Name Okay. Now look You see the Only Vowel in the Name of EVE is E. Talkin Common Sense.
Now let take the Word NAME what’s in a Name the Only Vowel are A and E. to Make YHWH to hear you have to add Vowel Hebrew do not have Vowel that us mark.
The A is First the letter E is Second. TETRAGRAMMATON… means 4 Hebrew letter okay so.
Kered says:
1.Edrina…..I been to the IDMR classes and when your moderator gets in front of the class he/she says. and I quote: “I holy name of the creator can be found in the Preface of the BIBLE or a minor investigation on you part”.
Edrina Answer:
Look You been to a class and have heard nothing because the Moderator doesn’t say that Okay but Let me Correct You like I keep doing because You don’t do No studying No Homework No reading No listening No Nothing to Find the Truth about anything….
IN THIS SCHOOL, WE USE THE TRUE, CORRECT, AND ORIGINAL NAME AND TITLE OF THE FATHER, THE WORD OR, SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT, WHICH ARE CONTAINED IN THE ORIGINAL HEBREW TEXT SUBSTITUTEB BY “LORD’. THE TRUE TITLE OF THE WORD OR SON IS ELOHIM; IT HAS BEEN IMPROPERLY SUBSTITUTED BY “GOD.”………
Now Again the Moderator says this…
“LORD AND GOD” ARE TITLES AND NOT NAMES. THE APOSTLE PAUL, FILLED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT, TELLS US IN 1ST CORINTHIANS 8:5 THERE ARE LORDS MANY AND GODS MANY, BUT WE NOW KNOW THAT EACH LORD MUST HAVE A NAME AND EACH GOD MUST HAVE A NAME ALSO……
Here another statement Made by Moderator
A FURTHER UNDERSTANDING OF THIS NAME AND TITLE MAY BE HAD BY READING THE PREFACE OF THE HOLY NAME BIBLE…….
So you got Read the out the Holy Name Bible the Contain the Name of Yahshua Sorry the King James Bible don’t have that in there Some don’t even Have Elohim so.
Holy Name Bible Written by A.B. Traina The Scripture Research Association, Inc
Was reprinted by YAHSHUA PROMOTINS.
IDMR hasnot dont own No bible Sorry so stop say that we do or that Elohim book is the bible. Dr. Kinley Wrote a book a his Vision from Yahweh not the bible not rewrote the bible. There is no Bible Out There that Says Henry Kinley Version Sorry.
Again the different between me and You is that I study Ancient Egypt and You have not. Before I ever was a member of IDMR I KNEW My Black Afro-C History.
Question 1 What is Afro-C hasn’t asnswer. 2.Why Do American Native Dance YHWH before White American ever got here. 3 Why Does the degree of water transform back into Liquid at 33 is that happen stand because Yahshua the Messiah died on the Cross at the age of 33. Why is it Solid at 32. Why does the H2O only has 3 state just like Yahweh. Go back a reread my blog just from the 3 couple of days and you will see some question that Havent Asnwer like why do You do Daily rite if Your Creator is Spirit. Why do You have use Amulets if Your Creator is Spirit? Why do you have to do a Physical type of Worship if your Creator Is Spirit?
Now those a couple of the question just from my last blog but like always you just keep asking me question I answer your question and you just make your statement..
But reread those blog and get a sheet paper and do some real Studing on the those question…
Kered says:
you would believe it because it supposed to be what GOD is saying since the BIBLE “SUPPOSED” to have been of GOD…..
Edrina Answer:
Let me tell you this Yahweh gave us a measure Rod or pattern everything goes by that pattern You go by that pattern everyday of your life. So I anit believing Nothing that doesn’t go by that pattern.
Now Here a simple example that works everyday. That you can’t get out of Can Nobody get out of.
Example: Yahweh is Yahweh Elohim and Yahshua. If you can count to 3 you can know something about Yahweh.
You Talk Present Past and Future. (3) but agree in One
WE eat with a Knife fork and Spoon (3) but agree in One
We Move Land Air and Sea (3) but agree in One that only way of Travel.
You have Head chest abdominal Area (3) that agree in One.
Now list can go on and on.
Everything is 3 fold because Yahweh is 3 fold as I explain with the H2O. Now explain why The Substance of H2O and Yahweh goes by the Same Pattern like I ask before.
H20 must take on a shape an form as liquid it must condense itself into a solid form at 32 degree to hold shape at 33 degree it return back into a liquid wait a little it transform back it Gas. One Water One H2O which is 3 fold.
Yahweh must take on a shape an form as Elohim in order so that we can understand him then he go one step more as Yahshua in Solid form at the age of 33 he dies on the Cross. Resurrect a Quick Spirit Transform back into the Elohim the Word or Son then back into the Father which is Yahweh.
Yahweh is Elohim Yahweh is Yahshua. Yahweh Elohim Yahshua these 3 are One.
April 10, 2009 at 3:55 pm |
When TRAINA first wrote the HNB he used the names Jehovah and Jah-oshua.
April 10, 2009 at 6:27 pm |
Moses was the First Man to receive Yahweh NAME before that Everyone Called Him Elohim.
Now Yahweh introduces himself to Moses at the Burning bush. He tells Moses I am the Elohim of Your father the Elohim Abraham the Elohim of Isaac and the Elohim of Jacob. And I have come down to deliver the Children of Israel out of the Hand of Egypt.
He has to Take that Name down to Egypt because in the Name Carries Power okay. Yahweh Show Moses that with the staff (cane) by turning it into a snake then back into a staff (cane). Also, by using his own flesh by turning it into leprous then back into his own flesh of health.
This is Were Man Error At YaHWeH Now the Hebrew DON’T Use VOWELS they Use what it is Call diacritical marks.
If You Error a the beginning of the understanding of Yahweh Purpose Your going to error or get it Wrong all the way though or you just wont understand So You got have his Name Right First.
YHWH Hebrew Alphabet the Y is YUD, sound yard
H is HAY, sound hay
W is Waw, sound was
Now you have in English the A sound AH sound. ADAM
Now you have in English the E sound e Eve.
Yahweh said He made Male first then he draw women. He took the Womb and the rib and mad Womb-man The word Womb means Tsela. A woman is just a man with womb.
April 13, 2009 at 3:40 pm |
Edrina………..All that you have said about YAHWEH only pertains to those who call themselves HEBREWS……I know in the IDMR you dont publicly say you are HEBREW but what else are you????? YAHWEH is the GOD of the HEBREWS only…….
The name “Raa” has NO connection to any RELIGIOUS belief……..its universal and he is OMNIPOTENT.
Abram was the first of the HEBREWS……and its a fact that he came on the scene some 2500 years after civilization in KEMET was already established. Until then the HEBREW language was not KNOWN to man.
Commen sense should tell you that GOD would NOT create a people and put them in a place for at least 5000 years and let them PROSPER in all ways…….
That GOD that came to “Moses” was exactly what he said he is…..The GOD of the JEWS/HEBREWS…..and there is nothing wrong with that…..EXECPT for one thing….he aint the GOD of CREATION.
April 13, 2009 at 4:30 pm |
And no EDRINA…..I was not BORN with this understanding of KEMET. I was told Lies about the true creator. Edrina you are still blinded by FALSE teaching. But I knew something was wrong with that BIBLE story no matter what religion it pertained to. I was born into a catholic family. I attended Baptist Church’s. And I attended the IDMR classes.
And out of all that I still knew something was not RIGHT. If they can take that BIBLE and CHOP it up like they DID…..Then who is to say whats in it now or when they put Yahweh name in….Even though “YEHOVAH” was the name used before “YAHWEH”….My common sense told me to do further investigation…….
Or should I say the CREATOR of ALL told me to do some investigation and SEE………and I did.
Thank You “Raa”……..
April 14, 2009 at 3:44 am |
One simple Question Yahweh is Spirit there is no Middleman between Yahweh and No body. No Man on this Earth is between Yahweh. I Call No man Father, Priest and Pharaoh etc., my lord master…
Kered States:
1.The name “Raa” has NO connection to any RELIGIOUS belief……..its universal and he is OMNIPOTENT.
Edrina Question? So if Ra is OMNIPOTENT: Why do You Have a Nisut-Bity (or Nisut-bityt in the feminine), sometimes translated as “sovereign (ruler),” literally “(S)he of the Sedge and Bee,” is the ancient title of a person sometimes called “Pharaoh”: today as in antiquity, the spiritual and cultural leader of the Kemetic nation. Upon coronation, a Nisut is charged with carrying out the will of Netjer (God for the Kemetic people, seen both as one divine force and manifesting at the same time in many forms or Names), and acts as a physical and spiritual bridge between the faithful and Netjer.
Now that One of reason why I Say Kemetism is Just another Religion.
Now Yahweh is Spirit that aint no middleman go between no man in the middle here on this earth let say that way between you and Yahweh Because Yahweh is Spirit.
Because Yahweh don’t won’t you worshiping No Man. Understand Don’t Need you doing Your 11 Laws, which have conflicts between them.
God don’t need Your Help that a Conflict with the 4 law.
The 4 LAW Ma’at
(God needs you in order to come into the world. Fulfilling God’s need is the highest act of love and only through your love for God can you fulfill your love for others. Become God’s love in the world for the protection of the world.)
Why does God Need You in Order to come into the world? When He made the World. (Common Sense) If the Creator is fulfilling God’s need is the highest act of love and only through your love for God can you fulfill love for others. How can God do it? It could be done by AMAN Because he just Aman. By Loving God which is Spirit You May Have this fulfill of LIFE for others? Because all man cannot Love all at one Time or gave Love at it Highest. ONLY the Creator Can Do that One.
We ALL FALL SHORT! The Creator would do that himself its his Creation. He doesn’t need You or I to protected this world that why this in conflict with you 4 law also and the 11 law If You come from Heaven and you going to return to Heaven that make earth temporary or Not the reality or Physical.
That is Why Yahweh is PURE Spirit He is the Source the Substance the limit the bound of everything.
Everything is deriving from this Spirit, which is Yahweh Nothing can get outside of Yahweh. You cannot detect Yahweh, which is Spirit with Your natural 5 senses. You cannot Taste, See, Smell, Touch nor Hear. You cannot Comprehend this Pure SPIRIT STATE and condition. It is INVISIBE there is no shape there is we cannot understand Yahweh in this State.
Just like H2O when it in its Gas State WE Cannot comprehend H2O Gas in this state it is Invisible it has no shape no form no odor no smell it just there.
Yahweh break himself as Elohim or takes on a shape and form and he is Yahweh Elohim. Seen in Vision and Understood in Revelation. He is the Word or Son.
Just like that H2O is break is self down from that Gas state in a liquid state and Now it is H2O Liquid. As H2O Liquid You are able to see the liquid touch the handle it contain the liquid examine the liquid measure the liquid.
Now that H2O break is self down to it low state which is solid form in order for it to take on a solid form it must come down to the temperature of 32 degrees. It Solid that that Ice.
Yahweh Elohim come into flesh as Yahshua he walk this earth 32 yrs solid in the teach of the gospel at the age of 33 he dies on the cross because he must transform back or (Pour out the Holy Spirit out) Elohim because that why H2O does the same thing.
H2O Gas transform into liquid than into solid form then back into liquid or gas. It has only 3 states but it still H2O not many H2O. Liquid does become solid at 32 degrees and at the temper of 33 it must go back into it liquid state.
Now Yahweh is Spirit not many Spirits with the S.
Now H2O does need your Help to do nothing it does it ALL by it self. Just like Yahweh because Yahweh is Spirit the Creator is Spirit He doesn’t need your Help.
Now that Some Common Sense Thinking the Creator Need You When He Has Create You.
Now Here a Word to Look Up Because I was talking about also You’re 11 Laws and the Love.
Which You can’t do. But the Creator Can.
Yahweh Our Elohim so Love the World the He Yahweh came into the World as Yahshua the Messiah. For the Love of his Offspring Now that’s PHILOPROGENITIVENESS or the manifestation of the love of the Creator, which is Yahweh.
That the Creator Came in As HIMSELF to Save His Children. Whom else could do it? Whom Else Could Understand it but the One Whom Cause it to be the Creator.
April 14, 2009 at 2:00 pm |
Edrina…………You are so mislead when it comes to the TRUTH and HISTORY of KEMET. You never knew the word “EGYPT” came from the GREEKS……That contintent where Moses and his Hebrew people came from was NOT called AFRICA back then…….
There are so many things that you do not know and so many things that the MODERN day religions STOLE and CORRUPTED from that CONTINENT which was called…..Al-Ke-Bulan not AFRICA.
Just like the CHRISTIAN removed the name Yahweh from the BIBLE the HEBREW did the same thing with the SPIRITUAL system from KEMET removing the original names.
You keep mentioning H20……Edrina did you leran this in the IDMR? Cause if you did it figures that they would TWIST this up just to try and VALIDATE the existance of YAHWEH…..
There are “NOT” 3 stages of “IONINC” changes to H20 Atom but 4…….Lets count them.
Gas
Liquid
Snow
Ice
If you did some research you would have known this…….SNOW is neither “Solid” nor a “LIQUID” however its a stage of “CHEMICAL IONIC” change to the H20 ATOM(ATUM)………..
Why do the IDMR people always try to VALIDATE the EXISTANCE of YAHWEH???????……..If he WAS the creator of ALL his name would not be a HEBREW name cause the HEBREW came on the scene some 3000 years after civilization was ALREADY in its “18th Dynastic Era”…..
April 14, 2009 at 2:47 pm |
Edrina…….tell me if this is correct or not about GLUCOSE which is a very important chemical in the boby.
Molecular weight is the sum of the atomic weights of atoms in the molecule…correct???
Now lets take GLUCOSE because it has a very important role in our body for if it gets out of whack we can die….correct??
The formula for GLUCOSE( common sugar in the body) is C6-H12-O6
6 atoms of C or Carbon
12 atoms of H or Hydrogen
6 atoms of O or Oxygen
The atomic WEIGHT is……
12 for C or Carbon
1 for H or Hydrogen
16 for O or Oxygen
Now multiply the number atoms by the atomic weight for each element we get…..
C or Carbon 6×12=72
H or Hydrogen 12×1=12
O or Oxygen 6×16=96
72+12+96 = 180 reduced to 18 reduced to 1+8 = 9
Here we come back to that Divine Number 9 which represents “Raa” in its spiritual form…
To clarify what I said about H2O……
GAS…..
LIQUID……
SNOW or SLEET which is classified as a “SEMI-SOLID”
and ICE which is classifed as a SOLID
4 stages of “IONIC CHEMICAL” change to the H2O atom…..
Peace to you in the name of the ALL mighty “Raa”…..
April 14, 2009 at 6:47 pm |
So says Edrina:
Yahweh Our Elohim so Love the World the He Yahweh came into the World as Yahshua the Messiah. For the Love of his Offspring Now that’s PHILOPROGENITIVENESS or the manifestation of the love of the Creator, which is Yahweh.
If this statement was “SO TRUE” then YAHWEH would have NO NEED to manifest himself EVER again BUT HE DID.
He came in MOSES
He came in Saul
He came in JOHN
and last but not least he came back agian in Henry Kinley.
If Yahshua the messhia was the ALL to end ALL what up with all these other JOKERS?????????
April 14, 2009 at 8:57 pm |
As usually You cannot answer a simple question the very 1st senctence. Because Your just tryin to Prove to Yourself what you believe is truth that why you keep jump around from subject to subject and I stand on the Unity of the Spirit. Because You cant break that. If you break the Unity of the Spirit there is the Life.
Everything thing goes by that from the Atom to H2O How we travel how we eat how talk but You can see it but You caught up in that Dark Place of Egypt. Now Yahweh is 3 fold that Atom is 3 fold H20 is 3 fold the Atom has a Proton,Neuton and Electron. H2O ONLY has 3 state of MATTER or Matter only comes in 3 state LIQUID SOLID and GAS. We only talk past present and furture. We only travel by Land, Sea and Air. Because the Creator is 3 fold.
Kered says:
1.There are “NOT” 3 stages of “IONINC” changes to H20 Atom but 4…….Lets count them.
Gas
Liquid
Snow
Ice
1.To clarify what I said about H2O……
GAS…..
LIQUID……
SNOW or SLEET which is classified as a “SEMI-SOLID”
and ICE which is classifed as a SOLID
4 stages of “IONIC CHEMICAL” change to the H2O atom…..
Edrina Answer:
Now let me Help You Out Right Here Because You Just Have Change the Structure of the Atom which is 3 (proton, the Neutron and Electron) or Matter H2O Only Has 3 state of Matter You Need to Look that Up As if goes from One state to the Other.
Snow is a type of precipitation in the form of crystalline water ice, (So Snow come from ICE). YOUR WRONG AGAIN. YOUR MUST UNDERSTAND WEATHER.
Science State that there are ONLY 3 state of H2O MATTER GAS, LIQUID, SOILD.
Under standing Basic 101 CHEMISTRY for Water H2O MATTER
Now What you are talk about is PRECIPITATION ON EARTH they are NINE because Yahweh has NINE (9) divine attribute or Principles.
So let explain Precipitation begins with cooling and condensing of WATER VAPOR. The form on which it finally reaches earth depend on 3 Three variables air currents, temperature and humidity. 1 Clouds, 2. Rain, 3. Snow, 4.Dew, 5.Fog, 6. Mist, 7. Hail, 8. Sleet, and 9.Frost.
Now let me Help You Understand What Ice is Because, Or what Snow is Because maybe you Have Heard of a Ice House where People would SHAVE piece of Ice off to COOL food Now those SHAVING are those CRYSTALLINE WATER ICE THAT form in cloud. And fall to earth the same thing.
And to Answer You question No I didn’t learn that in Class Matter Only comes in 3 states that CHEMISTRY BASIC 101.
See you don’t Even Understand all you doing putting up Number trying to make correlate Amen-Ra to with No Proof.
See You must Have some way to Measure Amen-Ra. With Proof and Evidence with a structure and a function and everything must go by. It must be Measure against Amen-Ra to Prove that Amen-Ra is True. Not a Collection of words corresponding to idea because you want it to fit what You think.
Thats Why I Said If Amen-Ra is the Creator of All Every thing would Praise Him and Not another so No man would have No EXCUSE. YAHWEH
When You Can Explain why RAA has Y going though my hand and Y the Tree of Life stand UP in the Y and Not Praise RAA.
Now those are simple Fact that has not change. You don’t have to read or write to understand that One.
But have Eyes to SEE and EARS to Hear!!!!
Because, Just like I said before Your statements are with conflict with the 11 laws. first Amen-Ra give power over to each One or another to his or supporting God or Goddess.
Now if Amen-Ra said to be in the Sky and gave his power over to another god to rule this earth because he doesn’t have time and another to rule the underworld and another to rule the day and another will weigh Your heart to see if your worthy.
And your trying to Say to yourself Oh those are just attribute and look even the Aten say no there are many god and goddess. Because PHARAOH means GOD!!! Or God on EARTH. So stop Lie to Yourself!!! In what you belief I know what Kemetism is and You wont even answer the or respond to the question.
Again Make sure that You TELL EVERY LAST CHEMIST there WRONG about MATTER and it STATE but it ONLY 3 SORRY.
April 14, 2009 at 9:19 pm |
Wayne Says:
1.If Yahshua the messhia was the ALL to end ALL what up with all these other JOKERS?????????
Edrina Answer.
Reread the blogs keep up Wayne it has already be explain about that!!!
April 14, 2009 at 9:47 pm |
Edrina……..Why did Yahweh NOT have these “So-Called” 9 attributes when he was being PRAISED back in Moses days??????
Edrina the IDMR has made up more CORRUPTION about the BIBLE……Those Attributes of Yahweh are not even in the BIBLE….as such. So I guess since Mr. Kinley says so. GEEEZ
Now to the Snow Flake…….We know that “Solid Ice” will melt above 32* ……..No pay attention Edrina and you might learn someting…….There is a stage called “SEMI SOLID” stage of ION CHEMICAL ACTIVITY or CHANGE.
The Snow Flake does NOT melt @ 32* ……It loses its “Solidity” @ 35*. Go look it up……..
So why does the “GLUCOSE” Molecule not IDENTIFY with YAHWEH????? The ATOMIC structure of Glucose represents “Raa” in PURE SPIRITUAL form.
April 15, 2009 at 3:49 pm |
I must express my respect for anyone who pray, believe in and worship what they think is true. I for one know for a fact that the BIBLE has many errors. So I agree with IDMR on that. But I also disagree with many of their teachings. In the BIBLE it is said that the MESSIAH was crucified and risen. The BIBLE also says there is a “SECOND COMING” of the MESSIAH. It does not mention a 3rd, 4th, 5th etc….
Discernment and Common Sense is all we need to keep us from falling victim to these Cults. I can not stress enough of the IMPORTANCE of reading various books on history and civilization. Once you know HISTORY of civilization then you will know the true CREATOR and MESSIAH…..and that creator name is “Ra” and the messiah name is “Ausar”.
We have among us various people who claim to be GOD the MESSIAH in the flesh TODAY. Do not be afraid to investigate and ask questions.
Hebrews 7:23-24 “Also there were many priests, because they were prevented by death from continuing. But He, because He continues forever, has an unchangeable priesthood.” This is because he can never die again, BUT KINLEY DIED. One should deduce from this fact alone that he was not an incarnation of Yeshua.
Heb. 7:26 “For such a High Priest was fitting for us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and has become higher than the heavens.” To die means one has the nature of a sinner. The fact is Yeshua himself said to John “I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen.”(Revelation 1:18) If you do not believe this you cannot call yourself a believer in the Bibles revelation.
April 15, 2009 at 5:10 pm |
Before I blog Here just a Note: Why have my question about Your Amen-ra been Answer?
Still You have answer the 11 Laws Conflict? Or about the Amulets, Nisut-Bity, Your Daily Rite which is type of Water Purity, The 4 LAW Ma’at
(God needs you in order to come into the world. Fulfilling God’s need is the highest act of love and only through your love for God can you fulfill your love for others. Become God’s love in the world for the protection of the world.)
Explain Why God Need YOUR Help? When God Then Made the World? ANIt he the Creator Whom made the Creator. Unless he is a short arm god whom Needs Help!!
Now Think Common Sense would Tell me The Creator Of Heaven and Earth does Need me He Create Me He know me better than I Know myself he know me before I ever was. And that Creator is Yahweh because He dont need no Help. He Told Moses Stand still and see the Savlation. ]
April 15, 2009 at 5:14 pm |
Kered Says:
1.Edrina……..Why did Yahweh NOT have these “So-Called” 9 attributes when he was being PRAISED back in Moses days??????
Edrina Answer:
You need to Keep up to or Reread the Blog. Jan 16, Feb 6, Feb7, Feb 24…
I have Blog about Yahweh is Pure Spirit I said the We cannot understand this Pure Spirit Just like we can understand H2O in it Natural state of Gas.
Yahweh knows that Man cannot understand him in this Pure Spirit State. So, Yahweh told Moses, “LET THEM MAKE ME A SANCTUARY THAT I MAY DWELL AMONG THEM.
ACCORDING TO ALL THAT I SHEW THEE AFTER THE PATTERN OF THE TABERNACLE”
Now everything goes by that Pattern because Yahweh Elohim. The Creator gave us a Physical example to explain the Spiritual reality or the understanding of Him.
Because we with a Natural 5 sense cannot detect Spirit.
In that Tabernacle were 9 Vessel. The Human body is call or refers to as a Tabernacle Medical Journal dwell place define Tabernacle as a dwells place for the Soul.
You don’t Understand the bible so You don’t Understand what Yahweh NINE (9) divine attribute or Principles of Wisdom Intelligence Knowledge Love Beauty Justice Foundation Power and Strength. (Which is Note though out the bible and many more..)
Yahweh is Wisdom or the Source of Wisdom his not a wise person You understand it were Wisdom or Power Love Strength Understanding etc comes from. He the Source of it all.
But for Us to Understand its like I said he gave us a Measuring Rod to Measure the Truth by it or Pattern that Every goes by which is 3 fold. That Tabernacle which was Pitch in the Wilderness of Sinai over 3000 year BEFORE Any Man NEW ANY thing about the How the Body or Earth function Core the Universe Or the World being Round and Modern day Science is all back there in that Pattern of that Tabernacle can be explain by that Pattern.
Everything is 3 fold…
Kered:
1.Now to the Snow Flake…….We know that “Solid Ice” will melt above 32* ……..No pay attention Edrina and you might learn something…….There is a stage called “SEMI SOLID” stage of ION CHEMICAL ACTIVITY or CHANGE.
Edrina Answer:
You need a Good dictionary so You can Look up some Word because You make your self you foolish.
The American College Dictionary “SEMI” meaning Half less latter element of less precise.
A Semi-Solid can by either or Solid or Liquid America College Dic. (Expl.)You keep talk about Snow But SNOW IS define Snow is a type of precipitation in the form of crystalline water ice.
Ice is Solid MATTER Has ONLY 3 STATES go to Chem4kids.com to get a begin 101 lesson.
What you are trying to explain the TRANSFROMSATION states of MATTER or how MATTER changes from state to another and it can depend on the Variables and condition. ( STAGES of WEATHER) Rain, Fog, Ice etc Forms of how GAS LIQUID and SOLID CHANGES. But Matter ONLY HAS 3 States.
So Let Go Back and Talk about that H2O Weather Pattern Variables and condition. There are 3 Variable and (1) Air Currents, (2) Temperature and (3) Humidity.
Now those Variable that Cause those Changes in Precipitation are 9 but the variable are 3 Because the represent the Unity of Spirit or Yahweh.
Most Holy Place Yahweh Air Current
Holy Place Elohim Temperature
Court Around About Yahshua Humidity
There are 9 Vessel in that Tabernacle guess what there are 9 stage of Precipitation.
Here Another reason why You Error in the Understand of the Unity of the Spirit or the Atom or Yahweh or Matter.
History Tells Which WE Have a PROVEN RECORD LIVING FACT Which You can see That the ATOM as be split. Now If Matter Has 4 State there would be NO (ATOMIC BOMB) it would be equal parts. The Atom Has 3 Parts AGAIN their Proton, Neutron, Electron.
Let me Help you Understand Snow By the Pattern because Snow Coming down state Like I said and it depend on Variables of 3.
First You must Have a (1) Cloud then you must Have (2) Rain (3) then Snow. Now you look foolish to think you get Outside Yahweh and the Unity of the Spirit because it simple as Understand 1,2,3. Or I can get Scientific with but I don’t lose again. With word that Your not going look up. Because If You have look up the WORD precipitation You would have SAW that Snow Rain, Sleet, ICE and Mist etc.. go all in under that.
NOTE: Dr. KINLEY SAID I AM NOT YOUR SAVIOR I AM NOT YAHSHUA!!!! HE HAS THAT RECORD LIVE ON TAPE!!! AND PAPER..
WHAT HE DID SAY THAT I AM YAHWEH AND SO ARE YOU AND SO IS THE CAT THE DOG TO…
So Get over it…. Because Yahweh is Spirit and Everything is Spirit Materialized…
April 15, 2009 at 5:34 pm |
Edrina…………I know its hard for you to ACCEPT the FACT that before a HEBREW was BORN CIVILIZATION was already in its 18th Dynastic Era.
Its a bitter pill to swallow…….but look at it this way……..Yahweh is a GOD, he is the GOD of the HEBREWS.
April 15, 2009 at 6:19 pm |
I thought the tabernacle represented the human body? Is that what they say in the IDMR? Please get it right Edrina. Either its the human body or precipitation? LMAO
April 15, 2009 at 7:00 pm |
Edrina….wait a minute. Are you saying with an “Honest Heart” that when you people get up in front of your members you do “NOT” point to Mr. Kinley’s name on the chart and “REFERENCE HIM” with Yahweh/Yahshua?????……….
April 15, 2009 at 7:27 pm |
Like I said there you (Kered) go again question or statement can’t answer any of my questions.
At least I have answer your question you may not understood the answer but the Question was answer.
Like I said I know all about Kemetism or Afro-c and Afro-K and I have Study Ancient Egypt (For yrs) have picture book all around on the subject.
But the Question is You don’t understand What your worshiping Because You still worship the Creator Physically so when he is Spirit. Can’t get around that Can’t change the subject on that.
Yahweh is Spirit the Creator is Spirit.
What a hard fact that maybe Kered and Wayne are the same person… Now that is so funny. Why do both come back on the blog at the same time Note both respond around the same time Now. Neither answer the question about Egypt? Those are Facts!!! And either have respect for a Soul. Laugh all you want.
IT doesn’t changes the Fact Matter Only Has 3 STATES Gas Liquid and Solid.
Which is a Spiritual Law.
Wayne like you said You thought the tabernacle represented Human body? That the problem Your thoughts.
Now Yahweh Said, That Tabernacle is a Pattern of Heavenly Things don’t error in or Your error in Heavenly things.
Again The Tabernacle can Point to anything. And yes It point to the Human Body and precipitation and thing else.
But like I said before Your some much in that Darkness which Egypt (Kemet) means.
Get Your Head out of that Darkness and come in to some Light or Life or some understanding and stop Tryin to Break the Unity of Spirit.
Yahweh Our Elohim Is One Yahweh He said He Create a Living Soul. Not a Jew not a Black so you fix that one to. He use the Jew to show his power.
See like I said without any understanding of the bible or the Creator You stand in that Darkness that why Egypt (Kemet).
But its okay a bitter pill IS HARD TO swallow LIKE that FACT AMEN-RA DID Come ON the scene until united of Upper and Low EGYPT It is a FACT that Kemetism say, then though they MAY be KNOWN gods they DON’T worship them.
Use Your Own statement Have Commen Sense REREAD Your 11 Laws and Have some Understand of What You don’t even understand about Kemetism.
Which you are in Error.
April 15, 2009 at 7:43 pm |
Edrina you are so full of Deception……Its a fact that in your classes you IDMR people have the tabernacle and the human body on the same chart with the human body or vice versa representing one another…….
You get in front of class and SLAP that stick on that chart pointing to Mr. Kinley refrencing Yahweh/Yahshua…………
And as far as you understanding the SPIRITUAL SYSTEM OF KEMET…….you are so far from the truth….If you still beleive that YAHWEH is the CREATOR of ALL when in fact he is ONLY the GOD of the HEBREWS…….then you have NO understanding of KEMET…
I have answered all your questions with FACTS to back it up…….I reference historical DATA……We do not follow what some MAN like KINLEY says…….Mr. KINLEY had his own AGENDA…..it had nothing to do with the CREATOR of ALL which is “Raa”. IN FACT Mr. Kinley’s teachings had nothing to do with the ORIGINAL teaching of YAHWEH…..
You must first understand Edrina…that we as HUMANS have been endowed by the CREATOR with “FREE WILL” the power to chose “Right or Wrong”…”Good or Evil”……You people in the IDMR believe SATAN was cast out of HEAVEN…….
WAIT A MINUTE……how can SATAN be cast out of HEAVEN when he was AMONG the CREATOR in HEAVEN in the FIRST PLACE?????…….In order to get to heaven one must become a “GLORIFIED SPIRIT”…and if you are a glorified spirit then you are above “HUMAN NATURE” or FREE WILL……if your SPIRIT made it back home from this “PHYSICAL EXISTENCE”….then please tell us how can “SATAN” could have been cast out of HEAVEN?????
April 15, 2009 at 10:14 pm |
Edrina says:
‘But for Us to Understand its like I said he gave us a Measuring Rod to Measure the Truth by it or Pattern that Every goes by which is 3 fold. That Tabernacle which was Pitch in the Wilderness of Sinai over 3000 year BEFORE Any Man NEW ANY thing about the How the Body or Earth function Core the Universe Or the World being Round and Modern day Science is all back there in that Pattern of that Tabernacle can be explain by that Pattern.’
Everything is 3 fold…
Edrina you are either brain washed completely or just plain dumb. We have civilization dating back to 4000 bce. That tabernacle was built somewhere between 1200-1100 bce.
A man named “Emhotep” who was the first physician, and you can look this up in greek history, had already built various pyramids. He was a scientist, architect, engineer who lived during 2800bce-2400bce. Plato, Herodotus, Socrates, Pythagorus and Homer speak about “Emhotep” in their writings, but they called him “Asclypteus.
Please get a grip.
April 17, 2009 at 4:24 pm |
Quote from Edrina::::
“Yahweh Our Elohim Is One Yahweh He said He Create a Living Soul. Not a Jew not a Black so you fix that one to. He use the Jew to show his power.”
Edrina I have one question for you…..The name YAHWEH is a hebrew name am I correct????….Yahshua is a hebrew name correct?????…And is it a fact in the BIBLE YAHWEH saved ONLY the Hebrews and KILL everyone else and even some of his Hebrew Children for “Subornation”
I have given fact of when the first Hebrew came on the scene and that was “ABRAHAM” in 1700 bce……..Up until that time there were NO HEBREW LANGUAGE or WRITING………Civilization was already in its 18th Dynastic Era……I know its hard for you to accept but its FACT.
April 20, 2009 at 5:16 pm |
Kered asked:
have given fact of when the first Hebrew came on the scene and that was “ABRAHAM” in 1700 bce……..Up until that time there were NO HEBREW LANGUAGE or WRITING………Civilization was already in its 18th Dynastic Era……I know its hard for you to accept but its FACT.
Edrina answer;
It simple Kered said, “the first Hebrew came on the scene and that was “ Abraham” in 1700 bce…
Now I said that Yahweh said that He create a Living Soul He call the first Man on earth which Abraham forefather Adam a LIVING SOUL. So does Abraham have a father and a mother do they have parnets or did they just pop up.
Abraham history of his family is in the bible remember Now that before your 1700 bce. And doesn’t Abraham have a brother Lot so they most have parnets and they have parents..
Your starting with Abraham 1700 bce Not with his father and mother… and so on.. You have Noah around 1000 Enoch was before that and so on.
Your problem may be because Yahweh Never told None of them to write anything down See. Moses was the first that Yahweh said to write what I say and put it in a book.
And Yahweh Name is Universal like a said read the bible back there with Noah the word Herbrew doesn’t appear there One Nation Until the Towel of Babel were Yahweh confuse the languge or that the beginning of the different Nations…
I can keep giving you answer to your question but, that not go to give you any understand of whom Yahweh is. I can just show you what Yahweh has reveal unto me about Him. That it. And what I Understand About Ancient Egypt because I was there to.
But here are some Question that I really wish that You answer on Your belief.
1.Now if the Creator is Spirit which we both agree on I hope. Why is this age do You have to something to Physical to Worship the Creator which is Spirit?
2. Why If we Come from Heaven and we are going to return to Heaven Why would Ma’at Need Our Help to Come in to the World?
3. If Ma’at is the Creator Amam-Ra in anyother shape and form as you say He or she would need no help from A men? Now doesn’t that conflict within the 11 laws. Which are so suppose to a Spirit Laws in the first place not Physical.
4. Now if the Creator is Spirit Why do You have to do a Daily Rite which is a Type of Baptism of Purity or cleasing ? ( No type of Water Can Clease the Soul or the Body)
So answer these Question??
Because I really want know if You Kered Know what Your Worshiping?
April 20, 2009 at 6:39 pm |
EDRINA says: Did Abraham have parents or did he just pop up?????
Adam/Eve are supposed to be the “FIRST” people on EARTH….correct???
So Abraham must be decendents from them. Thats where he came from. But COMMON SENSE again should tell you thats a LIE because CIVILIZATION was here before the STORY of Adam/Eve came up…..
READ CAREFULLY EDRINA:………..Civilization was here before the “FIRST HEBREWS” were made up and that would be Adam/Eve………
April 20, 2009 at 6:57 pm |
Edrina to answer your questions:
I dont understand what you are talking about?
What Physical Objects do i worship?
Goddess Ma’at is a “Manifestation” of the CREATOR. You are being misled by erroneous websites……
What Daily Rites you are speaking of??…Again you are wrong.
Edrina give some evidence that we had a HEBREW on earth in the year 2000bce…..
In order to understand what your religion teach you….you must have some history that will Substantiate that…..Please give us Dates, Times and Places of what evidence you have of YAHWEH being PRAISED and the CREATOR before ABRAHAM………or before Adam/Eve…
I will be waiting…
April 20, 2009 at 9:05 pm |
Kered:
I dont understand what you are talking about?
Edrina Answer:
I guess You don’t Understand What You Worship
If You don’t Understant the 11 Laws. Or Ma’at The 11 of God. Kemetic spirituality.
Unlike the 10 Ten Commandment and 603 Ordinance that with it. Ma’at has 11 starts off with Zero.
Now listen and Learn this Fact about the Law state which was from Kemet.
0.Law of Amen (Amen Ra) You were created in the likeness of a peace which cannot be disturbed. Regain your original state of peace to attain to your reason for coming into existence–the enjoyment of life.
10. Law of Geb (Geb) Know that from heaven you came and to heaven you will return; seek not enduring works on earth.
So I guess I made those Laws Up Or Like I said you just DON’T KNOW WHAT WORSHIP…
So, Again Yahweh is Spirit He is the Source the limit the bound of Everything. Yahweh was before anything was. So before Human life was Yahweh was before the earth was Yahweh was.
Now there is a way to prove that which I have already blog about. I have given you example.
Yahweh is spirit and we as Human cannot understand Spirit we a limited. So to understand Spirit I use a physical example to explain spirit.
Yahweh said he is 3 fold which I already have state Just like H20 is 3 fold Matter is 3 fold.
See Just like that Tree that stands outside Stand up in that Y. It go to grow don’t need no man help a Man can’t make a Tree they make Hybrids.
I have give You simple example You can’t understand that I have give you detail example You can’t understand.
Reread My blogs there are many examples.
But Your Understanding of Ancient Egypt is So Miss Just a Miss.
You say You don’t Know what a Amulet is either?
What were the Pharaoh wearing and Praying to Those Gods and Goddess that were small that could be but in a box were the size of a Amulet. They were of Dog Cat etc., Daily Rite do so Research that is a part of Kemetism.
AnyWay you Need to tell Me which group that You say that Your following so that I can be more detail because I ask you that before so I wouldn’t be so general. Because there are 3 Kemetism since 1970 that why I said Afro C and Afro K but You did Understand that.
Kemetism-1970 There are 3 groups *Kemetic Wicca, Kemetic Revivalism and Reconstruction (Orthodoxy) and Ausar Auset.
Now if you don’t belong to any those you may still follow under there belief but I which is it because I ask before.
But still I can say this about them all they all got it wrong because were is there Pharaoh whom is King and God.
Now that One thing about Ancient Egypt that Pharaoh was God on Earth and You can’t change that.
So you still worship the Creator Physical because of the go between of the Pharaoh and his meaning.
Yahweh is Pure Spirit I don’t do nothing to worship Yahweh physically. He spirit I look at no man as God. Yahweh doesn’t need my help.
Yahweh is one Yahweh Not many not many Names his story has not change.
April 20, 2009 at 9:56 pm |
Edrina Says:
“Yahweh is Pure Spirit I don’t do nothing to worship Yahweh physically. He spirit I look at no man as God. Yahweh doesn’t need my help.”
Please Edrina…you know when you get in front of the class you REFERENCE YAHWEH/YAHSHUA and Mr. Kinley as one…..
If YAHWEH needs no “MAN” then he sure aint the CREATOR of ALL……Its written in the BIBLE you use that MAN was CREATED in HIS IMAGE…..If does not NEED you then why CREATE something ne does not NEED???…It makes absolutely no SENSE to a person with COMMON SENSE….
If YAHWEH needs no MAN then WHY does YAHWEH always find it “VERY NECESSARY” to use a HUMAN to get his point across to you????
Why did they BUILD that “TABERNACLE” which is by the way a “PHYSICAL THING” in the wilderness and why do you reference it to the HUMAN BODY…..
If you do not PRAY to the PHYSICAL…then please tell me why do you ALWAYS REFERENCE the TABERNACLE to the HUMAN BODY?????
Why did YAHWEH find it necessary to use Mr. KINLEY if thats what you beleive in????
YOU IN THE IDMR MAKE NO SENSE……..You believe in something that which you cant even UNDERSTAND…you cant put time nor dates on anything, YET you try to predict the END of the WORLD….
April 20, 2009 at 10:00 pm |
EDRINA……….I dont know where you get your INFO from…….If you like I can give a website that will tell you WHERE MOSES STOLE THOSE 10 COMMANDMENTS FROM…
There are “NOT” 11 LAWS of Ma’at…
They are called: The 42 Negative Confession….Not 11.
These 42 Confession were here BEFORE MOSES was BORN…..They were here before ABRAHAM…..They were here before Adam/Eve…and they were here BEFORE YAHWEH/YAHSHUA was brought up by the HEBREWS……..
April 20, 2009 at 10:07 pm |
Edrina that 11 Laws of God came from the “Tree Of Life” or the “Quaballah which the Hebrews/Jews stole from the Coptic Egyptians.
The book you got that from was written by Ra Un Nefer Amen, correct?
He is a good author but he also is misled. He like Mr. Kinley has his own agenda. What Kered is tryn to show you is Ma’at has 42 Moral Laws which what we go by. The 10 commandments which Moses says he got on Mount Sinai is a total Lie.
Those 10 commandments came form Ma’at.
April 20, 2009 at 11:37 pm |
Kered says:
Please Edrina…you know when you get in front of the class you REFERENCE YAHWEH/YAHSHUA and Mr. Kinley as one
Edrina says:
Now that a LIE… I DON”T get UP say Dr. Kinley is Yahshua because he ANIT my Savior. I don’t believe that there is No Salvation in the Name of KINLEY The Moderation doesn’t says that and I stated in One of my post what Dr. Kinley said, He said in a Transcribe that I am Yahweh but guess what so are You and the Dog and Cat to.
Kered says:
1.If YAHWEH needs no “MAN” then he sure aint the CREATOR of ALL……Its written in the BIBLE you use that MAN was CREATED in HIS IMAGE…..If does not NEED you then why CREATE something ne does not NEED???…It makes absolutely no SENSE to a person with COMMON SENSE….
Edrina ans:
So let me help You out again because again I am talking about Physically Worshiping the Creator Your getting it twisted.
Creator means to create life… So he doesn’t need a man to Create life understand that… He still is a Creator because before there was a man there was EARTH. And that is Common sense. You have Animal that explains Yahweh. So when I say Yahweh don’t need a men to show who he is and what he is he mean it because it all in the EARTH plane..
Kered ask:
If you do not PRAY to the PHYSICAL…then please tell me why do you ALWAYS REFERENCE the TABERNACLE to the HUMAN BODY?????
Edrina Ans:
Again for the many of many of time I just said in the last blog we are HUMAN Yahweh is Pure Spirit. Yahweh knowing that because he Yahweh creates us limited or physical only with 5 senses. You can take something Natural (physical) understands something Spiritual. But, the thing, which is the example I DONT, turn around and worship the example. The example allow You to come to a more understand Of Your Creator.
Kered says:
There are “NOT” 11 LAWS of Ma’at…
Edrina ans:
You do Have 11 Law of Ma’at and You do have 42 Declarations of Ma’at
Declaration the declaration state what I have Not done.
Declaration is when You are declaring something not under oath.
Laws are binding prescribes orders they are enforceable that are set or for which are give.
There is a different between the two.
Kered ask:
1.Why did YAHWEH find it necessary to use Mr. KINLEY if thats what you beleive in????
Edrina Ans:
See it Just not Kinley it everybody You to You learn Know and come to Understand from everybody.
That why the Messiah said You will no long say Know Ye Yahweh or Ask Know Ye Yahweh of Your Neighbor. Because we all we Know Yahweh from the least to the greatest.
Or say like this to Come to a Understand of the Creator which is Spirit he use all thing not just a man.
Dr. Kinley had a vision from Yahweh just like You must have a vision from the Creator to Understand him because he is Spirit.
Kered says:
1.YOU IN THE IDMR MAKE NO SENSE……..You believe in something that which you cant even UNDERSTAND…you cant put time nor dates on anything, YET you try to predict the END of the WORLD….
Edrina ans:
Well Sorry again there are so many Dates, Places and Times in the Elohim The Archetype (ORIGINAL) Pattern of the Universe. And Guess what It Number all on the charts dates and so on. You said you been to class THOSE Chart got dates and Numbers on it. You just didn’t understand them. But they are there. And each time a New President get into Office they get a copy of that book.
See I understand what I believe because I can tell you that the Creator is PURE Spirit I said that he is the Source the substance the limit and the bound of everything.
I said that Yahweh took on a shape and form as Elohim because we cannot understand him Yahweh in this Pure Spirit State. This Shape and form Yahweh Elohim can be seen in a Vision and understood in Revelation this is what they saw when they said the WORD came unto me saying this.
Also I said because I believe that I have a SOUL. Yahweh Elohim manifested in the flesh as Yahshua. (Or the Pure Spirit State Transform into a state that can be understood than later seen with the naked eye.)
Now Yahweh Elohim Yahshua is One Name Not many Is One. It means Yahweh the Almighty Providing Savior.
I see by this Post what type of Class you went to buoy I UNDERSTAND why you are the way You are. (ABOUT IDMR as a WHOLE.)
Now, Dr. Kinley had the Vision and the Revelation in the State of OHIO their ARE Schools that Teach the same way he did. They aint change NOTHING. Now there are some School that believe that BUT they are wrong to Because He NEVER SAID that.
Because like I said we are limited we can have 5 sense or understand the physical. So, that physical example which is giving people turns around worship the thing or the person whom is given the example.
But You don’t worship the massager of the example because he trying to help You find learn know and Understand Creator.
There is ONLY ONE NAME UNDER HEAVEN where by YOU must be SAVE In YAHSHUA.
Now it says One Name Not many Names so that include Dr. Kinley name to.
April 21, 2009 at 12:05 am |
That why I ask what Kemetism You belong to so I do have to be so general.
Because still One of the BIGGEST Question that hasn’t been answer is Now Pharaoh was King and God Now that a Fact.
So if Pharaoh is King and god back then and You say that Your Worship the Ways of Ancient Egypt They Worship Pharaoh..
So Your still Not Worshiping the Creator Your Worshiping the middle man or the messager.
April 21, 2009 at 3:02 pm |
Edrina………..The bottom line is this.
1). The first Civilized people on earth were the people of “KEMET” who established and UNIFIED themselves around 5000-4000 b.c.e….The Key words are “Civilized-Established-Unified”.
Pre-Dynastic Egypt/Kemet were the people who called themselves “Twa”.
In order for you Edrina to understand this you MUST know something about HISTORY and CIVILIZATION…..and so far from what I see you have NO understanding of either one.
The Upper Paleolithic–Epipaleolithic–Pre-Dynastic regions is were we find the “OLDEST EVIDENCE” of CIVILIZATION:……Now Pay Attention Edrina
The Upper Paleolithic Region is LOCATED in “Kom Ombo” which is on the Southern edge of the “Nile” Valley of Upper Kemet/Egypt. THIS TIME PERIOD DATES BACK 30,000-10,000 B.C.E
2). The Epipaleolithic Region is LOCATED on a site called “EL KAB” which nestled between the eastern bank of the Nile Valley and the RED SEA HILLS. THIS TIME PERIOD TAKES US TO 10,000-5,500 B.C.E
3). The time period of 5,500-3000 B.C.E takes us to the Pre-Dynastic ERA……This Region consisted of a “Un-unified” Upper and Lower Kemet. Evidence of a “Spritual System of Worship” has been established. Here we see the beginning of “Life After Death” beliefs with Prayer and Praise given to a GOD called “Raa” and a Saviour called “Ausar”. THERE IS NO DIVISION or DISTINCTION OF RELIGION meaning there is NO HEBREW-MUSLIM-CATHOLIC-BAPTIST-METHODIST-7th DAY ADVENTIST-BUHDIST-ATHEIST…….etc.
4). Around 4500b.c.e we have the 3 stages of Pre-Dynastic Kemet starting with “Naqada 1-2-3″
5). At the end of the 3rd Naqada period which stats around 4000b.c.e we find EVIDENCE of a “PALETTE” describing the “FIRST” King. He is seen wearing the “Red Crown” representing Upper Kemet and wearing the “White Crown” representing Lower Kemet. THIS IS THE “unification of KEMET” which starts around the years 4000-3000b.c.e
This is nothing that I am making up. Anyone of you can investigate. We have NO mention of a GOD called YAHWEH or a saviour called Yahshua because we have “NO” Hebrew on earth at this time……..
April 22, 2009 at 3:01 am |
Understand this that Yahweh has always been Here He is in the Native American Language which AMMON ATEN AMEN-Ra is Not.. How can a So Called Jewish God crossed the SEA and Ocean to Get Here in America before a White Man get off the boat? Why because Yahweh is Pure Spirit He is Not a JEW A BLACK A WHITE etc…. Hebrew Greek etc… Yahweh IS PURE SPIRIT…
Kered says:
1). The first Civilized people on earth were the people of “KEMET” who established and UNIFIED themselves around 5000-4000 b.c.e….The Key words are “Civilized-Established-Unified”.
Edrina Ans:
Now Your RIGHT the Key word are “CIVILIZED-ESTABLISHED-UNIFIED”.
Now let explain something to You because you real DONT get it about the WORD Civilized this is the 2009 and I guess You don’t understand or CANNOT comprehend whom coin the phrase or state a culture Civilized.
I guess You have heard of a 3 World Country which is still in 2009. Now a 3 World Country does have Language does have speech Culture and they have a god etc..
1000’s of years ago (and today) they would be Uncivilized undeveloped uncultured unified.
But again Men has found out that they are Wrong I guess You Don’t Watch Discovery Channel and See Man go into a 3 World Native Country.
And You seen Native people in different parts of the World Whom Have NEVER see a T.V. modern day items etc.. And it 2009. Whom which would be CALL Not “Civilized-Established-Unified”. But they are still there co living apart from a So Called “Civilized-Established-Unified Country”.
1st World Country United States, England etc.., are to be the Civilized-Established-Unified Countries. Now Understand What the Civilized Country called the OTHERS which are still here some of the 2nd t Second World” refers to the former communist-socialist and 3rd World Countries South Asia, Latin America, Africa, world. Or they aren’t mention at All or they Come up with a New Name for them like a 4 World which Native American fall under.
That is Example Or How Archeology; Historians try to exclude other Nation.
Or say that they (Kemet, whom Ever) are less then them or Not at there standard of Living.
Because it has been done to Africa, Black American, Irish, Jews, Native American etc,.,
Now Kemet or Egypt has been record as the first Civilized RECORDED but it doesn’t mean that other culture wasn’t around. They are credit for being the first at something because it has been written down.
Here is another example if you don’t understand that one if Your running a race You and another person the first person whom cross the finish line is Record at the winner or being first now whom ever remember whom else was in the race. But they were there.
Here is another example don’t think Henry Ford INVENT the car they were other inventors but he was the first to get it RECORD.
I guess what Your saying since Kemet has the first Record History of Language science gods and goddess they have it right!!!
In History there Having been a lot of Culture whom thought what they belief was Right and Hitler was one of them but look he had his down fall to Just like the Pharoah had there.
April 22, 2009 at 3:19 pm |
EDRINA……….You want to try so hard to “Discredit” what I am saying….But its not my words….These are FACTS that have been proven time and time again…
The only thing you know is YAHWEH….Thats It. Its a shame because your mind have been corrupted with the belief that a people can somehow come on the scene…AFTER THE FACT…..and claim something that was already here.
Edrina…..So is the name YAHWEH/YAHSHUA a Hebrew name or not?????
Come on now..TALK TO ME.
And since it is a hebrew name…..YAHWEH “CANNOT” be the CREATOR of ALL……….YOU CANT RATIONALIZE your way out of believing otherwise.
You can “BELIEVE” it to be so….but its not. Anyone with “COMMON SENSE” should see the RACISM with these Different Religions……
ALLA is a Arab GOD….is everyone in the world an ARAB???
YAHWEH is a Hebrew GOD….is everyone in the world a hebrew???
Buhda is a Asian GOD….is everyone in the world Asian???
You still do not see the “HYPOCRISY” in all this do you?
And when you speak of “PHAROAH”…Do you know HOW MANY Pharoahs KEMET had???? No you dont. The only Pharoah you know is the one that was there during the “So-Called” Enslavement of the Jews in Kemet.
If you knew ANYTHING about HISTORY and CIVILIZATION…you would have KNOWN that the Jews/Hebrews once RULED in KEMET….YES….they sat on the THRONE…..
They invaded Kemet and took power but they were OVERTHRONE and put out of KEMET because they were not INDIGENOUS people of KEMET….They INVADED Kemet and TOOK power……This is where that “FOOLISH LIE” came from….
After they were remove from power they esatblished their city on the outskirts of KEMET……In a city they named “AVARIS”……..
Look it up in a good history book and you will see……….And since they were in power its only natural for them to have had ACCESS to ALL of the ANCIENT records of KEMET…..THis is how the Jews/Hebrews established their RELIGION………
April 22, 2009 at 4:44 pm |
Edrina do you know what “Archeaology/Anthropology” is???? Do you know the “Process” of how evidence is determined???? Yes I know its not an “Exact” Science but its more ACCURATE than not having any STUDY done on something……Its more than someone saying its just that way because they say so…..LIke Mr. Kinley has done.
You BELIEVE Mr. Kinley had a vision from GOD and was taken up by GOD and Shown the CREATION of Everything????…..My question to you and the followers of this man is this…Were any of you there with him????
Yes his Family was home with him but that does not mean anything….This is a man saying he had a VISION…..the key word is “HE”…..not “US” but HE had a VISION meaning no one else was there to prove it to be so or not…..
Mr. Kinley took the BIBLE and he painted a picture of that BIBLE……That is nothing SPECIAL…..Like I said anyone can take a book and PAINT a picture of the contents of that book……And most people are trying so hard to “BELONG” to something they just jumped on the BANDWAGON…..
My issue with the IDMR is that you all think that since you use the name “Yahweh” you are better than the next man for not using that name…….How arrogant can a people be.
The IDMR is in the same boat with ALL the other Religions of today. YOU ALL USE SOME VERSION OF THE KING JAMES BIBLE……THE “HOLY NAME BIBLE” IS A VERSION OF THE KING JAMES BIBLE……AND IF YOU BELIEVE OTHERWISE YOU ARE SORELY MISTAKEN….THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THE NAME “yAHWEH/yAHSHUA”……EVERYTHING ELSE IN IT IS THE SAME.
April 22, 2009 at 5:13 pm |
Kered says:
EDRINA……….You want to try so hard to “Discredit” what I am saying….But its not my words….These are FACTS that have been proven time and time again…
Edrina Ans:
Again You need to reread my blogs I have stated that I a background and Major in Africa History so that would include Egypt.
Not just One part of Africa but the whole. NOT As you do. Your Understanding is not Like a WHOLE Pie Africa is the whole Pie and You are only allowing a slice of the Pie to be eaten.
Just like Your Time line it Only has a slice of pie or the information of the World and what that information suite you or fits You agenda that all You are concern with.
A good research Take all the ALL EVIDENCE and weigh the evidence against one another or something to See if it True. You don’t threw it out..
Just because You don’t understand Or it doesn’t fit Your belief..
What you are doing are using wee part of Evidence to Prove that AMAN-Ra is the One God. See when you do that there were the ERROR.
It like I said You have Whole Pie which Is the Evidence and You Kered are only taking or Using a SLICE of the Pie or the Evidence to Prove that Aman-Ra is God…
You EXCLUDE the Evidence that Egypt did WORSHIP many GOD and GODDESS.
That Egypt didn’t become a Unified Nation Until 3000 b.c.e And you REJECT that before that Upper Egypt had there God and Goddess and Lower had there God and Goddess.
Now another thing is that there are still other people living and have there being during this time.
Just because you don’t see on some Egypt wall or RUIN doesn’t mean that people weren’t not there. That is Common Sense. History Still Us to Examine ALL Evidence before You can come to a Profound Conclusion of Yes or No…
There is NO Profound CONCLUSION because it’s a RUIN it is being unearth. Still to this DAY. THERE opinions and ideas on the Subject and it CHANGES.
But LISTEN to this ONE or TWO fact that has Not CHANGES about EGYPT that Pharoah was king and God. And that there are individual GODS and GODDESS or that they are Separate in use and Power.
Yahweh Story had not Change He has always said I am One Yahweh Not Many Yahweh Not many gods Not Many Names. I don’t have No female god beside me. There is No god on this earth that is female to him.
Yahweh is not the God of the Jews of the Hebrew or the black or the white, which I have already stated and explain. I stated that Yahweh used the Jews to show his power, which its states in the bible to get His power OVER or SHOW his POWER over Pharaoh.
One Yahweh One Earth One Sun can you get that.
Now there is not Many Earth Not Many SUNS and so that is around Earth you got that so Yahweh can be simple to Understand.
That is not RATIONALIZE. I don’t have to RATIONALIZE that I live on the ONLY Life giving Earth which is ONE. You Only Live ONE physical Life..
I don’t have Rationalize that there is ONLY one Sun that gives this Natural Earth Life.
Now the Key WORD is ONE. Its is not Rationalize that ONLY ONE WOMEN and ONE Man must come together bring forth life.
Now that is REAL FACTs TRUTH EVIDENCE that has not change and will not change. Because of the CREATOR is One Not Many Not Many Names giving his power to another.
As Many SAYING SAY THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE……
April 22, 2009 at 6:35 pm |
Edrina:
You said you have study Africa? Then why have you no understanding of history and civilization? Why do you still believe that Yahweh is the Creator of All?
If a person says they have been studying the continent of Africa then they should know that All of Humanity, All Religions Started on that continent. The oldest “Human Fosils” have been found on that continent specifically Ethiopia. And since you studied African history you should know that the name “Ethiopia” is a Greek name. Do you know the original name?
Why dont you know the original name of that continent? Why dont you know the original mane of Egypt? Why dont you know the first language spoken was not hebrew? Why dont you know the first people on earth came out of Africa/Al-Ke-Bulan?
Edrina have you heard of a man named: Yosef A.A. Jochannan “aka” Dr. Ben? If so, then you should know better than to believe that Yahweh is the creator of all.
If you have not heard of “Dr. Ben” then let me give you a background Check of him:
This man was born in Ethiopia to parents who are “Falasha Hebrews”. If you studied African History then you should know who the “Falasha Hebrews” are.
Please read his book called: “We the Black Jews” and “Black Man of the Nile Valley”.
Peace Edrina
April 22, 2009 at 6:55 pm |
Wow…..that was beautiful Wayne.
Edrina, before you take Wayne’s statement out of context let me elaborate.
We do not follow any man’s “Vision” or “Revelation”. We compare diffferent studies from “VARIOUS” Author’s/Archeaologist/Anthropologist/Egpytologist/Historians no matter what color they are…….
Now Edrina back to what you just posted about “Civilization”……..
I HAVE NEVER SAID THAT THEY WERE NO OTHER PEOPLE ON THIS EARTH OTHER THAN THOSE IN KEMET…………….IF YOU GO BACK AND READ MY STATEMENTS I SAID….”THERE WERE NO OTHER “CIVILIZED” PEOPLE ON EARTH OTHER THAN THOSE IN KEMET”……
See thats my point Edrina and you keep justifying it……If you know that they were people on this earth even “UNCIVILIZED” then Edrina you are saying that the story of Adam/Eve is FALSE…..Because the story of Adam/Eve is not older than 4000/5000 years…….And if you have been studying the continent of Africa then you should know that humans been here for ten’s of thousands of years……..
April 22, 2009 at 9:14 pm |
Again Kered or Wayne Just in case You are the same Person Because THIS is a Blog it is Not instance Messaging.
Now Just Look at Wayne time April 22, 2009 at 6:35 pm Look at Kered time April 22, 2009 at 6:55 pm ???.
You read and post a responds with a short period of time Now either You are the same or I guess You can’t or you have to pertain to be in another person because another blogers has ask the same question??
Look you don’t got READ a book to Understand that blacks where Jews or people of Color.
Africa come in a RAINBOW of COLORS…. Already read though but thank anyway…
Like I said before I knew what that call Egypt and what Africa was call and what other Country were call to. Be see that is not the Issue here.
The Point is we are Talking about a Creator, which means Singular One. The Creator made a Creation.
And when he made this Creation people were already Civilized you get the POINT..
Now a Man come alone and say just because Oh this Nation does do what the other Nation does there are not a Civilized Unified Nation which is man ERROR.
Wayne Ask:
You said you have study Africa? Then why have you no understanding of history and civilization? Why do you still believe that Yahweh is the Creator of All?
Edrina answer:
Yes I have study Africa. Yes I have a Understanding a History and Civilization. Now History Has VERY Many VEIW points. WELL ANCIENT History has Many View Points.
The Reason Why because there are not any long standing documents to support or disprove the What happen during there life time stand only there OWN View Points. That’s why there are so many View On Ancient Worlds because there are accuracy in Ancient History.
Now there is a different with Historic History because it can be proven with verify Evidence It Not One person account of what occur or what Happen. There are Valuable Evidence coming from different angles of differs area to state that Occur.
Ancient Egypt has Ancient History, which is not always RIGHT.
Like I said before I once believe Only in a Supreme Being with NO NAME because of my study of Africa History but also, in order to believe in my Africa History I or We exclude the rest of the World.
I Understand that You feel Just because they Ancient Egypt was founded to Have to first written and Record History of the THEMSEVLES doesn’t Not mean that the another Nation or People were not Civil because they didn’t build something or left a recorded Record.
Now that is a Valid Point.
WHY do you (I) still believe that Yahweh is the Creator of All? A Creator must be Universal must be understood Universal. Must be seen Universal. Which I can take a Jew, Asia, Mexican, Native America, Black etc., the plants Animals etc.., and Place it on Yahweh to prove that Yahweh is true.
Or to say like this the Creator made a Creation. When the Creator whom is Yahweh cause to Creation to be He Yahweh put His Stamp (name) on it. So, it wouldn’t be No excuse to say I didn’t Know the Creator. (Because the Creator is in all things.)
So if Yahweh is in the Tree and I Understand that and Explain it Why he is that Tree or in the Human body in detail. Like I have done by the bones in body by those ribs that you have I have state why you got those ribs and bones.
Reread these Post:January 8, 2009 at 2:05 am, January 15, 2009 at 1:39 am
Here this reason:
Edrina TREE Explain by the 3 fold make of Yahweh.
1.Yahweh Elohim and Yahshua says he is 3-fold. One Spirit and 2 manifestation of that One Spirit. And Everything in Unviersal is made after that 3-fold. Or Elohim the Archetype (Original) Pattern of the Universe. Yahweh says this, this must be true.
They Why I Keep go back to the TREE because A Tree can Not be bulit by A Man.
So if Yahweh is 3-fold that Tree will be the same way. So lets Examine True Evidence that out side everyones door or window.
Tree are made up of 3 main Components: The Roots, the Leaves and Woody.
The Roots which are in the earth bring the water and minerals to the rest of the tree. The larger roots at the trunk anchor the tree to the ground and stabilize it, while the small root-hairs at the ends of the rootlets absorb the water from the ground. The roots strength though out the ground making those Y’s. The foundations are the Roots of a Tree. Yahshua by that Pattern is the Foundation. The sons can Only go though Yahshua to be with the Father Yahweh. Or Yahshua just absorb us with the Holy Spirit Once it in You. Yahshua is the Water that will cause you to never thirst Spiritually.
Tree leaves absorb pollution like carbon dioxide from the air and use sunlight to BREAK IT DOWN, make a GAS, which combines with moisture from the tree roots and makes nutrients, which are used by the tree. Again these words are from a Structure of a Tree. Now like I said Yahweh has to BREAK himself Down from that Spirit or GAS State so that he can be understand. Which Elohim is it that Moisture (liquid) that you can see.
The woody structure, including the trunk, branches and twigs (3) hold the trees leaves in position to receive the life-giving sunlight and carbon dioxide; they also act as a means of carrying the raw materials and nutrients back and forth between the roots and the leaves. See even the woody structure is 3-fold. See how there is a go back and forth or a go between actions. Now the only go between on this earth, which is the Holy Spirit Which, is Yahshua the Messiah He is the Only mediator between man and Yahweh. He is the True High priest.
The trunk of a tree is made up of the bark, the wood and the pith. (3) Now that is 3-fold.
The PITH is the middle section surrounded by the wood. Between the WOOD and exterior BARK is a thin layer that creates new wood on the inside and bark on the outside.
Like I said before Elohim is the Archetype (original) Pattern of the Universal and The Physical Tabernacle, which was pitch in the Wilderness of Sinai, is Explanation or How to explain Yahweh makeup.
The Physical Tabernacle had a Most Holy Place a Holy Place and a Court that when Around about (Outer Court). It was 3-fold but One Tabernacle. So everything in the Universal Seen and Unseen will testify to Yahweh our Elohim and Yahshua.
Because he is the only and True Yahweh and there is not no other god beside him.
A TREE can be UNDERSTOOD and it is not made with Mans hands….
April 22, 2009 at 9:39 pm |
Edrina……GEEEZ You are so brainwashed with this “3-Fold Crap”……I will prove to you that a tree is “NOT” three fold and you can look this up your self:……
Botanic description of a Tree:
What is commonly called bark, includes a number of different tissues. Cork is an external, secondary tissue that is impermeable to water and gases, it is produced by the Cork cambium which is a layer of cells that are in a persistent meristematic state. The cork cambium, which is also called the phellogen, is normally only one or two cell layers thick and the outside surface produces cork. The phelloderm, which is not always present in all barks, is a layer of cells formed from the inner cells of the cork cambium, it contains suberin, a waxy substance which protects the stem against water loss, the invasion of insects into the stem, and prevents infections by bacteria and fungal spores.[5] The cambium tissues are the only parts of a woody stem where cell division occurs; undifferentiated cells in the cambium divide rapidly to produce secondary xylem to the inside and secondary phloem to the outside. Phloem which is a nutrient-conducting tissue composed of sieve tubes or sieve cells mixed with parenchyma and fibers. The Cortex is the primary tissue of stems and roots. In stems the cortex is between the epidermis layer and the phloem, in roots the inner layer is not phloem but the pericycle. From the outside to the inside of a mature woody stem, these layers are arranged: (1) Cork (Phellem) (2) Cork cambium (Phellogen) (3) Phelloderm (4) Cortex (5) Phloem (6) Cambium (7) Xylem. The bark includes (1) through (5), and is composed of periderm and phloem and the cells that produce these tissues.[6] The periderms includes (1),(2) and (3).
Check out the website……..Anf if you still say a tree is “3-Fold” after reading “Scientific Evidence”…then I know you are out of your mind. Yahweh is not the CREATOR….He is ONLY the GOD of the Hebrews….
April 23, 2009 at 4:35 am |
Kered says:
1.Edrina……GEEEZ You are so brainwashed with this “3-Fold Crap”……I will prove to you that a tree is “NOT” three fold and you can look this up your self:……
Edrina Answer:
First of All your own web site you provide says BARK. Not the Tree Structure – The Basic Makeup of Trees
Trees are made up of three main components: the roots, the leaves and the woody structure that connects them. (HOME::Reference-and-Education/Nature)
Now go to a web site that will give the Correct information then You won’t look like I said tryin to make something fit your belief.
Now that was the most funny statement that You have made because the Key Word was TREE. NOT BARK…NOT CORK… Which is on the TREE..
Now the Bark since You are on the Subject does provide information since you posted that Bark is 3 fold.
Now let examine to see if Bark is 3 fold.
The inner bark, which in older stems is living tissue, includes the innermost area of the periderm. The outer bark in older stems, includes the dead tissue on the surface of the stems, along with parts of the innermost periderm and all the tissue…(Wikipedia) From Kered Post Your Evidence
So you have INNER BARK (1) the OUTER BARK (2) Now guess what that BARK Cover What the WOODY oh is that Not 3…..
So Your Foolish and You don’t understand that the Bark is what on the TREE.
Something else from Your site you Post because You don’t understand the Structure of a TREE.
The periderms includes (1),(2) and (3). Now what are they(1) Cork (Phellem) (2) Cork cambium (Phellogen) (3) Phelloderm. There goes that 3-fold pattern which You said was
Crap… (Wikipedia) Your EVIDENCE Posted AGAIN Kered..
The tree is composed of an underground part, the roots, and two aboveground parts, the trunk and the crown. (Merrian Webster) Now count those part 3 parts. But ONE TREE.
Please Visit there Visual Aide Dictionary web site visual.merriam-webster.com/plants-gardening/p…
Maybe that can help Know the different between the Tree and what on the Tree which is the BARK.
Like I said You keep tryin to make yourself believe that Aman-Ra is the Creator but the Plants don’t lie can’t make nothing can’t make something fit just because they want it to As You do.
Because they Praise the Creator Yahweh and there Nothing You can do about that One.
Next time Make Sure You Understand what You post and thank you for the BARK because It PROVES that YOUR Kered WRONG again….
Now if You have Eyes to See and Ear to Hear the Son of Yahshua Watch word is Peace and the Slogan is to Speak the Truth…
April 23, 2009 at 2:33 pm |
Edrina, Let me explain what you have mis-understood about the tree.
I see 7 layers of tissue listed. It says from the inside to the outside. The Bark consist of 5 of these 7 layers.
The Periderm includes the FIRST 3 of these 7 Layers.
Get it right Edrina………..
Edrina why do you have a way of Twisting Facts that are right in front of you?
Let me repeat it one more time:
FROM THE INSIDE TO THE OUTSIDE THESE TISSUES HAVE 7 LAYERS.
I know you cant help yourself trying to justify the existence of Yahweh as the Creator. But like I have been telling you, Yahweh is a GOD but only the GOD of the Hebrews.
Thats why Yahweh said: Thou Should Not Have Any Other God Beside Me.
For Yahweh to make that statement he must have known that he was NOT the only GOD…..Can We prove it, Yes.
We have a GOD of the Arabs:
We have a GOD of the Asians:
We have a GOD of India:
Yahweh did NOT say: Thou Should not have any other CREATOR beside me….He could not make that demand because he knew he was NOT the CREATOR……
Peace in the name of the ONLY Creator……”Raa”